You can help by buying one instead of crossing your fingers.
I don't know how much does it cost, but I'm only a student, i depend on my parents. Can't justify any console...
On the other end, I can justify an iPad.
I have a macbook air that i absolutly love, and I'm sure that if AMD was in great financial shape, they would be able to provide a great alternative (CPU/GPU/battery life)for a macbook air.
One doesn't have to look far to understand that Steven P. Jobs was special. The man was Willy Wonka and his presentations were a true show. I've yet to see any Keynote speaker remotely touch his abilities. Public Speaking is an artform and requires a person who can own the stage like a rock singer with charisma, or a politician who is a virtuoso maestro at conveying their ideas.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't PC games play on this, if it's a X86 processor? Doesn't it mean that developers' work is greatly reduced, in the least, porting games to the PS4? When you think about it, it would be cool if they made the PS4 just a very specialized gaming PC rig, affordable to anyone, not just the hardcore gamers...
I originally bought my PS3 primarily to play blu-ray titles and still do use it for that quite a lot. But I also spent a lot of time with gaming which surprised me. I have really enjoyed it these last several years and will likely retire it to a bedroom and get a PS4 for my living room. Another reason I like it over the Xbox is there is no monthly or annual fee for premium features that include even Netflix. I hated the idea of a suscription model of paying Microsoft money every month for features I could get for free with the PS3. I hope they continue the free access to online gaming and other features M$ expect you par for the privilege of using.
I don't know how much does it cost, but I'm only a student, i depend on my parents. Can't justify any console...
<span style="line-height:1.231;">On the other end, I can justify an iPad.</span>
<span style="line-height:1.231;">I have a macbook air that i absolutly love, and I'm sure that if AMD was in great financial shape, they would be able to provide a great alternative (CPU/GPU/battery life)for a macbook air.</span>
I don't think it'll be priced as high as the PS3 was in the beginning. Blu Ray players have dropped in price considerably, which was a big chunk of the price back then.
One doesn't have to look far to understand that Steven P. Jobs was special. The man was Willy Wonka and his presentations were a true show. I've yet to see any Keynote speaker remotely touch his abilities. Public Speaking is an artform and requires a person who can own the stage like a rock singer with charisma, or a politician who is a virtuoso maestro at conveying their ideas.
These folks just don't have it.
Truth.
But Sony has never relied on someone to sell their vision. They've gone back to a laundry list of specs. And as usual, spec fans have dreams of gigaflops dancing in their head. I remember Sony demoing the PS3, bragging about the RSX chip and how it could handle two 1080p data streams at the same time, but when the PS3 shipped, most "HD" games like Uncharted ran in friggin' 720p resolution! Only a few ever did 1080p. And don't even get me started on the 3.x firmware debacle: I never hated a company more than Sony over that crap.
It's a custom Bulldozer APU with shared 8GB GDDR5 Memory.
In the following video, they describe the CPU and GPU on the same die with 8-core CPU and 2TFLOP GPU:
[VIDEO]
This is how all computers should be built now and expandable RAM can be just cache memory.
I was wondering if they'd restrict their cloud gaming to the PS4 but it seems they want to open up the games to anyone:
[VIDEO]
You'd be able to play PS3 games, maybe even PS4 games on mobile devices, laptops etc (don't ban their app from the store Apple) - the PS4 isn't backwards compatible so all the older titles will run over the network. It makes the hardware you use irrelevant. It doesn't really matter to Sony because a lot of the time the hardware makes a loss anyway so just paying for the game itself is more profitable. It could mean people would end up just buying an XBox and streaming whatever PS exclusives there are but I think they've at least made the right choices with the hardware this time round and they did say that porting from the PC would be easy - they even refer to it as an 'augmented PC'.
This will allow simultaneous development for consoles and PCs, which is great for developers and gamers because the exclusivity is no longer about porting complexity. Another really cool thing is that if these things can run an OS like Linux, they can be networked as processing hardware for a Mac system. Sony might try to lock this down of course.
Now they just need to make the price of this machine reasonable.
DOA. Nobody cares about consoles anymore... the future of gaming is in mobile platforms. Call me old school, but I enjoyed my Atari 2600 much more than my Playstation or Wii. Do you know why? Because focus was on gameplay and not graphics, and it was simple. A stick and a button. I could never get into the newer consoles with all these buttons and combos to do different things. Too complicated. The touch based games that are coming out for IOS devices kind of bring simplicity and enjoyment back to gaming for me.
Frankly I'm not a big gamer but was somewhat interested when the PS3 came out. Mainly because it looked like a device that could serve multiple needs. That is a BluRay player, game machine, network access device and a Linux platform. Unfortunately Sony has an extremely hostile attitude with respect to the owners of the hardware it sells and thus I never bought into the system. Too many broken promises, deleted features and scuttling any sort of Linux support pretty much reduced any versatility the platform could of had to zilch.
Here is the the thing Sonys past practices mean I'm very reluctant to buy into PS4 either. This is especially the case since the arrival of iPad. iPad handles the light gaming I might want to do, supports web access brilliantly, runs more apps than you can shake a stick at and is portable. So I just don't see a future for PS4 at my place.
Im certain a few will buy in and the best that will come out of that is a strengthening of AMD. PS4 could validate AMDs custom business which gives them an advantage over Intel as Intel is very reluctant to do custom. It will be interesting to see how far along this processor is with respect to AMDs move to heterogeneous computing. In fact PS4 may be ho hum for me but AMDs move into the custom market is well worth investigating. So maybe a bit of surfing the net tonight.
All the tech rumors include the XBox 720 also being a custom built AMD APU. To acquire 2 out of 3 of the big game console vendor contracts for those parts [if correct] will be a big win for AMD.
You mean 2.5 out of 3? The Wii U is powered by an AMD Radeon GPU!
Not impressed. Specs and promises? Heard them all before. This thing will be out of date the moment it hits the market. PCs and Macs will continually evolve; this thing will be frozen in the year 2013, FOREVER.
Not impressed. Specs and promises? Heard them all before. This thing will be out of date the moment it hits the market. PCs and Macs will continually evolve; this thing will be frozen in the year 2013, FOREVER.
Not impressed either, they are just TALKING!!!!!!, been over TWO HOURS of talking, game footage and specs and no console, just a few pics of a hand controller, this is far too long for a presentation.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
You can help by buying one instead of crossing your fingers.
I don't know how much does it cost, but I'm only a student, i depend on my parents. Can't justify any console...
On the other end, I can justify an iPad.
I have a macbook air that i absolutly love, and I'm sure that if AMD was in great financial shape, they would be able to provide a great alternative (CPU/GPU/battery life)for a macbook air.
One doesn't have to look far to understand that Steven P. Jobs was special. The man was Willy Wonka and his presentations were a true show. I've yet to see any Keynote speaker remotely touch his abilities. Public Speaking is an artform and requires a person who can own the stage like a rock singer with charisma, or a politician who is a virtuoso maestro at conveying their ideas.
These folks just don't have it.
I originally bought my PS3 primarily to play blu-ray titles and still do use it for that quite a lot. But I also spent a lot of time with gaming which surprised me. I have really enjoyed it these last several years and will likely retire it to a bedroom and get a PS4 for my living room. Another reason I like it over the Xbox is there is no monthly or annual fee for premium features that include even Netflix. I hated the idea of a suscription model of paying Microsoft money every month for features I could get for free with the PS3. I hope they continue the free access to online gaming and other features M$ expect you par for the privilege of using.
I don't think it'll be priced as high as the PS3 was in the beginning. Blu Ray players have dropped in price considerably, which was a big chunk of the price back then.
Truth.
But Sony has never relied on someone to sell their vision. They've gone back to a laundry list of specs. And as usual, spec fans have dreams of gigaflops dancing in their head. I remember Sony demoing the PS3, bragging about the RSX chip and how it could handle two 1080p data streams at the same time, but when the PS3 shipped, most "HD" games like Uncharted ran in friggin' 720p resolution! Only a few ever did 1080p. And don't even get me started on the 3.x firmware debacle: I never hated a company more than Sony over that crap.
Great point!
In the following video, they describe the CPU and GPU on the same die with 8-core CPU and 2TFLOP GPU:
[VIDEO]
This is how all computers should be built now and expandable RAM can be just cache memory.
I was wondering if they'd restrict their cloud gaming to the PS4 but it seems they want to open up the games to anyone:
[VIDEO]
You'd be able to play PS3 games, maybe even PS4 games on mobile devices, laptops etc (don't ban their app from the store Apple) - the PS4 isn't backwards compatible so all the older titles will run over the network. It makes the hardware you use irrelevant. It doesn't really matter to Sony because a lot of the time the hardware makes a loss anyway so just paying for the game itself is more profitable. It could mean people would end up just buying an XBox and streaming whatever PS exclusives there are but I think they've at least made the right choices with the hardware this time round and they did say that porting from the PC would be easy - they even refer to it as an 'augmented PC'.
This will allow simultaneous development for consoles and PCs, which is great for developers and gamers because the exclusivity is no longer about porting complexity. Another really cool thing is that if these things can run an OS like Linux, they can be networked as processing hardware for a Mac system. Sony might try to lock this down of course.
Now they just need to make the price of this machine reasonable.
Call me old school, but I enjoyed my Atari 2600 much more than my Playstation or Wii. Do you know why? Because focus was on gameplay and not graphics, and it was simple. A stick and a button. I could never get into the newer consoles with all these buttons and combos to do different things. Too complicated. The touch based games that are coming out for IOS devices kind of bring simplicity and enjoyment back to gaming for me.
Frankly I'm not a big gamer but was somewhat interested when the PS3 came out. Mainly because it looked like a device that could serve multiple needs. That is a BluRay player, game machine, network access device and a Linux platform. Unfortunately Sony has an extremely hostile attitude with respect to the owners of the hardware it sells and thus I never bought into the system. Too many broken promises, deleted features and scuttling any sort of Linux support pretty much reduced any versatility the platform could of had to zilch.
Here is the the thing Sonys past practices mean I'm very reluctant to buy into PS4 either. This is especially the case since the arrival of iPad. iPad handles the light gaming I might want to do, supports web access brilliantly, runs more apps than you can shake a stick at and is portable. So I just don't see a future for PS4 at my place.
Im certain a few will buy in and the best that will come out of that is a strengthening of AMD. PS4 could validate AMDs custom business which gives them an advantage over Intel as Intel is very reluctant to do custom. It will be interesting to see how far along this processor is with respect to AMDs move to heterogeneous computing. In fact PS4 may be ho hum for me but AMDs move into the custom market is well worth investigating. So maybe a bit of surfing the net tonight.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer
All the tech rumors include the XBox 720 also being a custom built AMD APU. To acquire 2 out of 3 of the big game console vendor contracts for those parts [if correct] will be a big win for AMD.
You mean 2.5 out of 3? The Wii U is powered by an AMD Radeon GPU!
Samsung to announce the S-Box iPlay Galaxy in 3... 2... 1...
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Originally Posted by christopher126
More foreskin than foresight!
OMG, I *heart* this comment
Blizzard!
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Not impressed. Specs and promises? Heard them all before. This thing will be out of date the moment it hits the market. PCs and Macs will continually evolve; this thing will be frozen in the year 2013, FOREVER.
Not impressed either, they are just TALKING!!!!!!, been over TWO HOURS of talking, game footage and specs and no console, just a few pics of a hand controller, this is far too long for a presentation.