I really don't think there is any comparison at all between Apple and Sony with respect to the versatility of the hardware. Just sit back and look at the breath of apps. Available for iPad, the many book stores, web access tools and other things not seen onPS3.
The proble is Sony basically lied about thier intentions with respect to Linux. It might not have been important to you but it was a potential justification for me and many others. To put it simply I have a hard time justifying single use expensive devices. That is very much what the PS3 became. Contrast that with an iPad wich is probably the most versatile device I've ever owned. Frankly I wouldn't t be surprised to see iPad out performing this PS4 machine by 2015
Beyond all of that; the reality is that the "99.99% of PS3 users" is a tiny and shrinking pool to rely on business wise. The PlayStation franchise is dying on the vine. This is not a forward looking solution that is needed for a rebirth of the product.
I don't recall that Sony promised support for Linux for the PS3 lifetime. Have they done that (and still cancelled Linux), I think they would be destroyed by lawsuits. Not because that many people were using Linux, but because many people are opportunistic enough to go for free buck, if they can.
Number of gamers interested in dedicated platform with high-quality offering and other services is not as high as number of tablet users, but so what? Neither is number of Macbooks sold these days as high as number of iPads. You can be niche and still be lucrative. Not that I think that console gaming is niche; it is only being balanced across number of platforms, without any current platform having exclusivity iPad enjoyed for a few years.
iPad is versatile, but it does not excel in every usage scenario. In some, it is only meh. I'm yet to know PC/console gamer who dropped his games for tablet gaming, albeit most of them do have tablet, and almost all have smartphone.
I really don't think there is any comparison at all between Apple and Sony with respect to the versatility of the hardware. Just sit back and look at the breath of apps. Available for iPad, the many book stores, web access tools and other things not seen onPS3.
What about the fact that Apple controls the software and hardware, and can roll out new versions of iOS that drop features of the previous version, which is exactly what you said about Sony
The proble is Sony basically lied about thier intentions with respect to Linux. It might not have been important to you but it was a potential justification for me and many others. To put it simply I have a hard time justifying single use expensive devices. That is very much what the PS3 became. Contrast that with an iPad wich is probably the most versatile device I've ever owned. Frankly I wouldn't t be surprised to see iPad out performing this PS4 machine by 2015
How did Sony lie about Linux? They supported it, game pirates made use of it, they announced they were getting rid of it. If you used it, then you could have left your PS3 on 3.20, or you could have purchased a PC and installed Linux on it, a 2010 PC with Linux would have been a lot better than running it on a PS3.
And what is single use about the PS3? It is far from single use, and isn't expensive.
And what does it matter if the iPad is faster at some point, content is king
Beyond all of that; the reality is that the "99.99% of PS3 users" is a tiny and shrinking pool to rely on business wise. The PlayStation franchise is dying on the vine. This is not a forward looking solution that is needed for a rebirth of the product.
Sorry? I said that 0.01% of the PS3 users actually cared about the other OS, how did you manage to turn that around?
I honestly feel they are focusing too much on gamers. No mention of media capabilities. No mention of it even having a bluray drive.
tablets are continuing to outsell consoles. At least the 720 rumors state it will have many media features. The rumored specs even have an hdmi in which could mean dvr capabilities . Something that if apple doesn't expand on its appletv you can have a 720 connected to your tv and still have an apple ipad and apple iphone.
I feel Sony is taking a Huge risk by only mentioning games.
You probably missed some of it.
Hulu, Netflix, Sony's own music and video streaming services were mentioned. Number of other services were shown on screen, but I didn't really pay attention.
No details about local media playback, but even PS3 can play MP4, AVI, MP3... from local storage or local network, so it is pretty much expected to be here as well. With dedicated logic for background file transfers, they can add more functionality. You should be able to stream Netflix to, say, big screen, while remote-playing game from your tablet or PS Vita. How many of such features will they include, time will tell.
And loaves of bread are continuing to outsell tablets
They didn't only mention games, they were talking about video streaming at one point I looked
Good one
And number of junk food burgers outsell number of good quality meals in Italian restaurant managed by top chef. Which is pretty much where tablet and smartphone games stand against console and PC games, on average.
let's suppose it's a great game console with great games, and really integrates well with the so-far flop Vita. so great, Sony beats ... Nintendo?
so what?
the future is multi-purpose ecosystems, not stand alone anything, including game consoles. even MS gets this, and you can expect the upcoming XBox 720 to be hyped as the home media/social hub, not a mere game console.
pure gaming is devolving into a niche market with limited potential. it won't go away, no, but it's glory days are over.
looks like Sony is still trying to win the last war instead of tomorrow's. that is Doom.
DOA. Nobody cares about consoles anymore... the future of gaming is in mobile platforms.
Call me old school, but I enjoyed my Atari 2600 much more than my Playstation or Wii. Do you know why? Because focus was on gameplay and not graphics, and it was simple. A stick and a button. I could never get into the newer consoles with all these buttons and combos to do different things. Too complicated. The touch based games that are coming out for IOS devices kind of bring simplicity and enjoyment back to gaming for me.
Nobody? Really?
Since PS2 was introduced 12 years ago, around 660,000,000 consoles were sold worldwide (Google is your friend here). I didn't go down further, as older consoles are probably out of use, most of them anyway... but there are still a lot of PS2 consoles running at homes, and everything that came in after that - Wii, PS3, X360, modern portables. Would that really be "nobody"? Or are you making a bit uneducated guess here?
let's suppose it's a great game console with great games, and really integrates well with the so-far flop Vita. so great, Sony beats ... Nintendo?
so what?
the future is multi-purpose ecosystems, not stand alone anything, including game consoles. even MS gets this, and you can expect the upcoming XBox 720 to be hyped as the home media/social hub, not a mere game console.
pure gaming is devolving into a niche market with limited potential. it won't go away, no, but it's glory days are over.
looks like Sony is still trying to win the last war instead of tomorrow's. that is Doom.
I'd bet you didn't really watch this. Good part of it was about social aspects of PS4 and evolution of PSN. Integration of console with phones, tablets and computers was mentioned. Media streaming.
PS4 will be multi-purpose living room device. Even PS3 is, albeit with lots of space for improvement.
That Forbes guy is trolling. A non-gamer trying to be smart about something he does not understand. Where were killer features of iPad 2 compared to iPad one? A bit slimmer. A bit lighter. A Bit faster. Only improvements. Has it killed iPad 2 success?
In addition, PS4 is getting number of new features, compared to PS3. Remote play. Game streaming. Friend help invite. And hardware that could be capable to provide real MMO games on PS4, something PS3 and X360 just couldn't.
The 3.x firmware updates can brick the blu-ray drive on an original first-gen ("fat") PS3--the very early models with either 20GB or 60GB HDDs (the ones that contained the Emotion Engine chip)--and Sony refuses to acknowledge the problem and pay for repairs:
The current "slim" PS3 doesn't have this issue with the 3.x firmware.
This happened to my first-gen "fat" PS3 10 minutes after upgrading, and no update since then has addressed the problem. I can't play *any* blu-ray media (game or movie) for more than 10-15 minutes before I get an error screen. Since the version 3 firmware was issued after the warranty period ended, and the upgrade is MANDATORY (Sony demands that you update firmware OR else lose the ability to run newer games), Sony bricked my PS3 and expects ME to pay for repairs? The alternative explanation is that it's all a coincidence, and the blu-ray drives that are getting bricked had a 2.5 year lifespan anyway, which is not much better an explanation. As a Sony customer, and an early adopter to boot, I deserved better.
Say what you will about Microsoft, but at the end of the day, for all their Xbox 360 customers who experienced the RRoD, they did right by them. At least they admitted the RRoD issue, and paid for repairs, up to 3 years after the date or original purchase.
I'd bet you didn't really watch this. Good part of it was about social aspects of PS4 and evolution of PSN. Integration of console with phones, tablets and computers was mentioned. Media streaming.
PS4 will be multi-purpose living room device. Even PS3 is, albeit with lots of space for improvement.
That Forbes guy is trolling. A non-gamer trying to be smart about something he does not understand. Where were killer features of iPad 2 compared to iPad one? A bit slimmer. A bit lighter. A Bit faster. Only improvements. Has it killed iPad 2 success?
In addition, PS4 is getting number of new features, compared to PS3. Remote play. Game streaming. Friend help invite. And hardware that could be capable to provide real MMO games on PS4, something PS3 and X360 just couldn't.
no i didn't watch. it goes on and on. there is no press release i can find with a summary.
the PS3 can do a lot of non-gaming stuff, yes, but often poorly as you note. few use it as their primary non-gaming ecosystem interface. if the PS4 doesn't make that great somehow, it can never compete with the rest - Apple, Amazon, Google, MS, et al. Sony's tablets and phones are distant also-rans in their markets. and is their ecosystem Sony's or Google's?
the just announced iOS app for the PS4 is a big step in the right direction tho. if Sony had sense they would cut a deal with Apple to integrate all their hardware with the iOS ecosystem - apps, AirPlay, everything. most of their products Apple does not compete with. and then ditch their Android and Windows gadgets, where they are just one of many OEM's in a race to the bottom.
but they won't. they aren't desperate enough - yet.
The proble is Sony basically lied about thier intentions with respect to Linux.
no.
to understand the 'Other OS' feature requires looking back more than a decade ago.
for awhile Sony has stated their game consoles were more computer than console. with the PlayStation 2, sold in Europe, the device shipped with Yabasic, a free and open source BASIC interpreter. with the right tools, one could actually write and execute rudimentary program code on the console. Sony added the interpreter in order to avoid the extra tariffs imposed on 'non-computer devices' sold in PAL regions. once the tariff was dropped, because the line between computer and electronic entertainment device was blurring, Sony no longer needed to ship Yabasic with the PS2 sold in Europe.
with the PlayStation 3, the inclusion of the 'Other OS' feature was likely a defensive (but unnecessary) measure for sales to be unperturbed with any extra tariffs. when firmware 3.2 removed the 'Other OS' feature some people launched in class action suit against Sony. the people lost because Sony is not and was never found to be obligated to support 'Other OS' beyond the warranty period. changes applied by firmware 3.2 were allegedly made to make it more difficult to run 'unsigned' binaries on the PS3.
I like the idea of using video streaming for game previews. It might not be good enough for full playing but just for a 5 min preview game it could work. I wonder if Apple could deploy something like that on the iTunes Store.
Big freaking deal. Sony can kiss my a**! I was waiting for Monster Hunters for the Vita and it never arrived. Them clowns at Nintendo have it but there is no way I'm getting a DS to play MH. F*** that! Have any of you been to Best Buy lately and seen Sony's consumer stuff? GARBAGE. They currently have a big ole pair of headphones for $269.00 with the build quality of a 99 cent store toy. OMFG! Oh, it's in a great looking package , which is the marketing trend these days. Package up bs headphones in a pretty box and slap the bitch with an out of this world price tag. G-T-F-O!
let's suppose it's a great game console with great games, and really integrates well with the so-far flop Vita. so great, Sony beats ... Nintendo?
so what?
the future is multi-purpose ecosystems, not stand alone anything, including game consoles. even MS gets this, and you can expect the upcoming XBox 720 to be hyped as the home media/social hub, not a mere game console.
pure gaming is devolving into a niche market with limited potential. it won't go away, no, but it's glory days are over.
looks like Sony is still trying to win the last war instead of tomorrow's. that is Doom.
They've announced mirroring second screen extension to iOS.
I don't know why the PS3/PS4 is being compared to the iPad by some people here! They are completely different devices. I think the presentation itself was not interesting. Too much talk. But I like what they are offering in PS4. I am fine with them not showing the console. I bet they are still working on the design. The addressed most everything I want the next PS to have. The one thing that disappoint was the lack of PS3 compatibility. I was also hoping for Battlefield 4 demo.. but that didn't happen.
They needed to show this now to give developers access to the device and have games ready when this thing is out.
I don't know why the PS3/PS4 is being compared to the iPad by some people here! They are completely different devices.
They do effect each other's value proposition though. When consoles originally came out, the value proposition was that you could play games without having to know anything about computers and without having to spend a lot of money. But nowadays that's true of phones and tablets, and everyone already has one.
They do effect each other's value proposition though. When consoles originally came out, the value proposition was that you could play games without having to know anything about computers and without having to spend a lot of money. But nowadays that's true of phones and tablets, and everyone already has one.
When consoles came out.. 20 years ago. It has been different story lately. Console games are much more expensive now. The choice for majority of people now is not whether to buy an iPad or a PS3 for games. People buy PS3 because they want to play games, watch netflix, and want BR/DVD to watch the movies they collected over the years. They want to do this on their 40"+ HD TV, which they can't do with an iPad unless they buy an Apple TV.
IMO, AppleTV is much more threat to PlayStation than the iPad. I personally believe console gaming is perfect fit for Apple.
When consoles came out.. 20 years ago. It has been different story lately. Console games are much more expensive now. The choice for majority of people now is not whether to buy an iPad or a PS3 for games. People buy PS3 because they want to play games, watch netflix, and want BR/DVD to watch the movies they collected over the years. They want to do this on their 40"+ HD TV, which they can't do with an iPad unless they buy an Apple TV.
IMO, AppleTV is much more threat to PlayStation than the iPad. I personally believe console gaming is perfect fit for Apple.
Apple TV, no. New device that would integrate features of Apple TV, with much more potent hardware, storage, gaming-oriented peripherals? Maybe. Though I'd still be surprised. Apple brand means nothing among "serious" gamers. Apple hasn't got developers for exclusives. And such Apple device would not cost $100 like Apple TV. Being Apple, it would look awesome but also cost likely more than competition.
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Not playing the right games is the leading cause of both.
I don't recall that Sony promised support for Linux for the PS3 lifetime. Have they done that (and still cancelled Linux), I think they would be destroyed by lawsuits. Not because that many people were using Linux, but because many people are opportunistic enough to go for free buck, if they can.
Number of gamers interested in dedicated platform with high-quality offering and other services is not as high as number of tablet users, but so what? Neither is number of Macbooks sold these days as high as number of iPads. You can be niche and still be lucrative. Not that I think that console gaming is niche; it is only being balanced across number of platforms, without any current platform having exclusivity iPad enjoyed for a few years.
iPad is versatile, but it does not excel in every usage scenario. In some, it is only meh. I'm yet to know PC/console gamer who dropped his games for tablet gaming, albeit most of them do have tablet, and almost all have smartphone.
What about the fact that Apple controls the software and hardware, and can roll out new versions of iOS that drop features of the previous version, which is exactly what you said about Sony
How did Sony lie about Linux? They supported it, game pirates made use of it, they announced they were getting rid of it. If you used it, then you could have left your PS3 on 3.20, or you could have purchased a PC and installed Linux on it, a 2010 PC with Linux would have been a lot better than running it on a PS3.
And what is single use about the PS3? It is far from single use, and isn't expensive.
And what does it matter if the iPad is faster at some point, content is king
Sorry? I said that 0.01% of the PS3 users actually cared about the other OS, how did you manage to turn that around?
You probably missed some of it.
Hulu, Netflix, Sony's own music and video streaming services were mentioned. Number of other services were shown on screen, but I didn't really pay attention.
No details about local media playback, but even PS3 can play MP4, AVI, MP3... from local storage or local network, so it is pretty much expected to be here as well. With dedicated logic for background file transfers, they can add more functionality. You should be able to stream Netflix to, say, big screen, while remote-playing game from your tablet or PS Vita. How many of such features will they include, time will tell.
Good one
And number of junk food burgers outsell number of good quality meals in Italian restaurant managed by top chef. Which is pretty much where tablet and smartphone games stand against console and PC games, on average.
this guy at Forbes nails it:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2013/02/20/ps4-this-looks-familiar/
let's suppose it's a great game console with great games, and really integrates well with the so-far flop Vita. so great, Sony beats ... Nintendo?
so what?
the future is multi-purpose ecosystems, not stand alone anything, including game consoles. even MS gets this, and you can expect the upcoming XBox 720 to be hyped as the home media/social hub, not a mere game console.
pure gaming is devolving into a niche market with limited potential. it won't go away, no, but it's glory days are over.
looks like Sony is still trying to win the last war instead of tomorrow's. that is Doom.
Nobody? Really?
Since PS2 was introduced 12 years ago, around 660,000,000 consoles were sold worldwide (Google is your friend here). I didn't go down further, as older consoles are probably out of use, most of them anyway... but there are still a lot of PS2 consoles running at homes, and everything that came in after that - Wii, PS3, X360, modern portables. Would that really be "nobody"? Or are you making a bit uneducated guess here?
I'd bet you didn't really watch this. Good part of it was about social aspects of PS4 and evolution of PSN. Integration of console with phones, tablets and computers was mentioned. Media streaming.
PS4 will be multi-purpose living room device. Even PS3 is, albeit with lots of space for improvement.
That Forbes guy is trolling. A non-gamer trying to be smart about something he does not understand. Where were killer features of iPad 2 compared to iPad one? A bit slimmer. A bit lighter. A Bit faster. Only improvements. Has it killed iPad 2 success?
In addition, PS4 is getting number of new features, compared to PS3. Remote play. Game streaming. Friend help invite. And hardware that could be capable to provide real MMO games on PS4, something PS3 and X360 just couldn't.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
How were you burned?
The 3.x firmware updates can brick the blu-ray drive on an original first-gen ("fat") PS3--the very early models with either 20GB or 60GB HDDs (the ones that contained the Emotion Engine chip)--and Sony refuses to acknowledge the problem and pay for repairs:
http://consumerist.com/2010/12/06/sonys-firmware-updates-kill-my-ps3-sony-wants-repair-fee/
http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-3-Support/New-Firmware-3-50-killed-my-BLU-RAY-drive/td-p/30372098
http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/Support-General/Firmware-update-3-56-causing-my-PS3-to-not-recognize-Blu-ray/td-p/30915151
The current "slim" PS3 doesn't have this issue with the 3.x firmware.
This happened to my first-gen "fat" PS3 10 minutes after upgrading, and no update since then has addressed the problem. I can't play *any* blu-ray media (game or movie) for more than 10-15 minutes before I get an error screen. Since the version 3 firmware was issued after the warranty period ended, and the upgrade is MANDATORY (Sony demands that you update firmware OR else lose the ability to run newer games), Sony bricked my PS3 and expects ME to pay for repairs? The alternative explanation is that it's all a coincidence, and the blu-ray drives that are getting bricked had a 2.5 year lifespan anyway, which is not much better an explanation. As a Sony customer, and an early adopter to boot, I deserved better.
Say what you will about Microsoft, but at the end of the day, for all their Xbox 360 customers who experienced the RRoD, they did right by them. At least they admitted the RRoD issue, and paid for repairs, up to 3 years after the date or original purchase.
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Originally Posted by nikon133
I'd bet you didn't really watch this. Good part of it was about social aspects of PS4 and evolution of PSN. Integration of console with phones, tablets and computers was mentioned. Media streaming.
PS4 will be multi-purpose living room device. Even PS3 is, albeit with lots of space for improvement.
That Forbes guy is trolling. A non-gamer trying to be smart about something he does not understand. Where were killer features of iPad 2 compared to iPad one? A bit slimmer. A bit lighter. A Bit faster. Only improvements. Has it killed iPad 2 success?
In addition, PS4 is getting number of new features, compared to PS3. Remote play. Game streaming. Friend help invite. And hardware that could be capable to provide real MMO games on PS4, something PS3 and X360 just couldn't.
no i didn't watch. it goes on and on. there is no press release i can find with a summary.
the PS3 can do a lot of non-gaming stuff, yes, but often poorly as you note. few use it as their primary non-gaming ecosystem interface. if the PS4 doesn't make that great somehow, it can never compete with the rest - Apple, Amazon, Google, MS, et al. Sony's tablets and phones are distant also-rans in their markets. and is their ecosystem Sony's or Google's?
the just announced iOS app for the PS4 is a big step in the right direction tho. if Sony had sense they would cut a deal with Apple to integrate all their hardware with the iOS ecosystem - apps, AirPlay, everything. most of their products Apple does not compete with. and then ditch their Android and Windows gadgets, where they are just one of many OEM's in a race to the bottom.
but they won't. they aren't desperate enough - yet.
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I honestly feel they are focusing too much on gamers.
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tablets are continuing to outsell consoles.
the PlayStation 4 is a game console so, of course, a primary focus is on games.
tablets and consoles exist in different markets so it was rather pointless to bring up the "tablets are continuing to outsell consoles" foolishness.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
The proble is Sony basically lied about thier intentions with respect to Linux.
no.
to understand the 'Other OS' feature requires looking back more than a decade ago.
for awhile Sony has stated their game consoles were more computer than console. with the PlayStation 2, sold in Europe, the device shipped with Yabasic, a free and open source BASIC interpreter. with the right tools, one could actually write and execute rudimentary program code on the console. Sony added the interpreter in order to avoid the extra tariffs imposed on 'non-computer devices' sold in PAL regions. once the tariff was dropped, because the line between computer and electronic entertainment device was blurring, Sony no longer needed to ship Yabasic with the PS2 sold in Europe.
with the PlayStation 3, the inclusion of the 'Other OS' feature was likely a defensive (but unnecessary) measure for sales to be unperturbed with any extra tariffs. when firmware 3.2 removed the 'Other OS' feature some people launched in class action suit against Sony. the people lost because Sony is not and was never found to be obligated to support 'Other OS' beyond the warranty period. changes applied by firmware 3.2 were allegedly made to make it more difficult to run 'unsigned' binaries on the PS3.
I like the idea of using video streaming for game previews. It might not be good enough for full playing but just for a 5 min preview game it could work. I wonder if Apple could deploy something like that on the iTunes Store.
I was waiting for Monster Hunters for the Vita and it never arrived. Them clowns at Nintendo have it but there is no way I'm getting a DS to play MH. F*** that!
Have any of you been to Best Buy lately and seen Sony's consumer stuff? GARBAGE.
They currently have a big ole pair of headphones for $269.00 with the build quality of a 99 cent store toy. OMFG!
Oh, it's in a great looking package , which is the marketing trend these days. Package up bs headphones in a pretty box and slap the bitch with an out of this world price tag. G-T-F-O!
Sony went with the AMD GCN based SoC Jaguar [Bobcat Low Power APU with a 7800 series GPGPU]. Very nice. Jaguar is a 28nm SoC APU structure.
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr
this guy at Forbes nails it:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2013/02/20/ps4-this-looks-familiar/
let's suppose it's a great game console with great games, and really integrates well with the so-far flop Vita. so great, Sony beats ... Nintendo?
so what?
the future is multi-purpose ecosystems, not stand alone anything, including game consoles. even MS gets this, and you can expect the upcoming XBox 720 to be hyped as the home media/social hub, not a mere game console.
pure gaming is devolving into a niche market with limited potential. it won't go away, no, but it's glory days are over.
looks like Sony is still trying to win the last war instead of tomorrow's. that is Doom.
They've announced mirroring second screen extension to iOS.
I don't know why the PS3/PS4 is being compared to the iPad by some people here! They are completely different devices. I think the presentation itself was not interesting. Too much talk. But I like what they are offering in PS4. I am fine with them not showing the console. I bet they are still working on the design. The addressed most everything I want the next PS to have. The one thing that disappoint was the lack of PS3 compatibility. I was also hoping for Battlefield 4 demo.. but that didn't happen.
They needed to show this now to give developers access to the device and have games ready when this thing is out.
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Originally Posted by NasserAE
I don't know why the PS3/PS4 is being compared to the iPad by some people here! They are completely different devices.
They do effect each other's value proposition though. When consoles originally came out, the value proposition was that you could play games without having to know anything about computers and without having to spend a lot of money. But nowadays that's true of phones and tablets, and everyone already has one.
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Originally Posted by ascii
They do effect each other's value proposition though. When consoles originally came out, the value proposition was that you could play games without having to know anything about computers and without having to spend a lot of money. But nowadays that's true of phones and tablets, and everyone already has one.
When consoles came out.. 20 years ago. It has been different story lately. Console games are much more expensive now. The choice for majority of people now is not whether to buy an iPad or a PS3 for games. People buy PS3 because they want to play games, watch netflix, and want BR/DVD to watch the movies they collected over the years. They want to do this on their 40"+ HD TV, which they can't do with an iPad unless they buy an Apple TV.
IMO, AppleTV is much more threat to PlayStation than the iPad. I personally believe console gaming is perfect fit for Apple.
Apple TV, no. New device that would integrate features of Apple TV, with much more potent hardware, storage, gaming-oriented peripherals? Maybe. Though I'd still be surprised. Apple brand means nothing among "serious" gamers. Apple hasn't got developers for exclusives. And such Apple device would not cost $100 like Apple TV. Being Apple, it would look awesome but also cost likely more than competition.
Who do you think would really buy it?