Samsung exec: Galaxy S IV's plastic body balances manufacturability and 'premium feel'

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  • Reply 101 of 144
    9secondko9secondko Posts: 929member
    cnocbui wrote: »

    Why are you showing phone cases? I thought that comment referred to the actual body of the competing phones being mentioned.

    Apples to apples please.

    No pun intended.
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  • Reply 102 of 144
    9secondko9secondko Posts: 929member
    That's odd I find no such lag present on my Nexus 4. I love listening to music on my phone I have no problems with the quality and I am almost certain android has more music player apps than IOS. Try a nexus 4 out you will be pleasantly surprised at what a nice piece of tech it is (minus the lack of lte and its crap camera) its a one, if not the best smart phone you can buy

    Unfortunately for some, the iPhone is the best smartphone money can buy. It's the best looking, it's fast, it has the best mobile OS on the planet, it's more secure, it has a much better ecosystem, better production values, etc.

    And Android is really a second rate OS. It feels like various technical bits and pieces cobbled together to semi work together. The interface lags compared to iPhone and it seems to slow down over time compared to iPhone. Transitions are nowhere near as smooth on any android device.

    Android is acceptable when marketed as the cheapo alternative. Not the high end model.

    Why pay too much money for a souped up ford fiesta (android) when you can have the legitimate Lamborghini at that price.

    The only good reason to go android is when it is cheap or free.

    It's like Ross versus Armani.

    You go to Ross because it's cheap. The clothes may fit funny but you love them anyway because they are cheap. But when you want quality, you go upscale. Cheaper isn't better, it's just more accessible.

    But then there is the premium product that you actually want. That's the iPhone. If money were no object, android wouldn't have a reason to exist.

    It's ok Samsung and google make phones running this system. Many people need something cheap.

    But please don't go Pretending that it's something premium or that it competes favorably with ios. And then please let's not pretend that crappy plastic is somehow preferable to true high class materials like aluminum and glass.
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  • Reply 103 of 144
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 9secondko View Post





    Why are you showing phone cases? I thought that comment referred to the actual body of the competing phones being mentioned.



    Apples to apples please.



    No pun intended.




    Because for many people, they were essential for proper functionality and were required to fix a design defect, so considering them an 'optional' case would be disingenuous.

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  • Reply 104 of 144
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post



    Yeah like when did Samsung start caring about "beauty" and "premium feel"?




    When they made the Wave S8500 - IMO


     


    Aluminium, Gorilla Glass and a small amount of plastic.  The condition of the phone below is as it currently appears after 3 years of continual use.


     


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  • Reply 105 of 144

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 9secondko View Post





    Unfortunately for some, the iPhone is the best smartphone money can buy. It's the best looking, it's fast, it has the best mobile OS on the planet, it's more secure, it has a much better ecosystem, better production values, etc.


    Opinion. Opinion. Subjective. Opinion. Citation needed. Subjective. Opinion.

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  • Reply 106 of 144
    reefoidreefoid Posts: 158member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 9secondko View Post



    And then please let's not pretend that crappy plastic is somehow preferable to true high class materials like aluminum and glass.


     


    So I take it you thought the iPhone 3G was crap, since it used a polycarbonate housing?  Or is it only crap when someone other than Apple uses it?

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  • Reply 107 of 144
    Practicality is also stuff like GPS and call reception.

    I think Apple's probably move to plastic acknowledges that setting its own standard is not as easy as it once was.
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  • Reply 108 of 144
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    galbi wrote: »
    Samsung's Galaxy S3 is made from Polycarbonate.

    Here is an article about Polycarbonate stopping a bullet.

    http://www.inthehopper.org/industry-news/polyurethane-stops-bullets-could-work-in-body-armor/

    So? Polycarbonate has been used in creating bulletproof shields for decades. If this is news to you, you're seriously behind the times.

    But what does that have to do with the silly claims being made here about how high quality Samsung's shovelware phone is?
    hfts wrote: »
    Seriously I am not going to reply to each idiotic post. I will however make mention of KD's assertion that polycarbonate is not plastic.
    I a chemist.
    Polymers are long chain organic compounds and plastics are polymers.
    Polycarbonate is a polymer.
    Hence polycarbonate is a plastic.
    Sheesh
    KD are you all together there?

    Obviously not. You also missed DaHarder's assertion that polycarbonates are "advanced composites" which is equally laughable.
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  • Reply 109 of 144
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hfts View Post



    Seriously I am not going to reply to each idiotic post. I will however make mention of KD's assertion that polycarbonate is not plastic.


     


    I made no such assertion.  Some of you just don't bother to follow a thread, in your haste to respond.


     


    AppleInsider wrote:


     


     


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    Even other Android handset makers are making the switch to higher quality elements. HTC's One, for example, uses an aluminum frame, while Nokia has opted to use harder polycarbonate for its Lumia series of phones.




     


    All I said was that the S3 also used polycarbonate.  That's it.

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  • Reply 110 of 144
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung View Post


    That's odd I find no such lag present on my Nexus 4. I love listening to music on my phone I have no problems with the quality and I am almost certain android has more music player apps than IOS. Try a nexus 4 out you will be pleasantly surprised at what a nice piece of tech it is (minus the lack of lte and its crap camera) its a one, if not the best smart phone you can buy



    It's not about listening to music. It's about creating music. That's where the problem lies.

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  • Reply 111 of 144
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

    Did the irony escape you?


     


    The comprehension escaped you. I was indeed talking about the actual case.





    Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

    Because for many people, they were essential for proper functionality and were required to fix a design defect, so considering them an 'optional' case would be disingenuous.


     


    Thanks for playing. You want to lie, go to some other site.





    Originally Posted by stike vomit View Post

    Opinion. Opinion. Subjective. Opinion. Citation needed. Subjective. Opinion.




    Maybe if you had actually read his post at any time, you'd see that he mentioned that.

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  • Reply 112 of 144
    clemynxclemynx Posts: 1,552member
    Hihihi
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  • Reply 113 of 144
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    Thanks for playing. You want to lie, go to some other site.


     



     




    I don't want to lie and I didn't.  I could provide proof, but it wouldn't be worth the effort as you would just delete the post as per your SOP.

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  • Reply 114 of 144
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

    I don't want to lie and I didn't.  I could provide proof, but it wouldn't be worth the effort as you would just delete the post as per your SOP.


     


    Yep, I sure do delete everything with which I disagree¡


     


    You'll want to pay particular attention to the punctuation before you decide to ignore it.

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  • Reply 115 of 144
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by allenbf View Post


    What's the saying about polishing turds?



    I guess you think the iBook was a turd.

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  • Reply 116 of 144
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hturt Seaker View Post


    The market seems to demand a "premium feel." But the market also wants durability. They will likely use a better finish, but stick to plastic.


     


     


    1.- Aluminum is hardly an impact resistant material. Plastic is. Fact.


    2.- Raw aluminum is pretty cheap as well. I remember getting quotes for 6061 AL ALY for $3.50 a pound. The casings are flat so they can be brushed on a belt machine rather quickly. Machining it would be the most expensive part of manufacturing it, but it is easy to mass produce. those aluminum cases are not as expensive as people like to think.


    3.- Drop/scratch it enough to remove a bit of coating and aluminum will start a beautiful chemical process called corrosion.



     


    Interesting, though I seem to recall that the iPhone 5 ran into production delays because of supposedly machining difficulties on the cases (correct me if I am wrong).

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  • Reply 117 of 144
    tjwaltjwal Posts: 404member


    Aluminum is self healinig.  When it get scratched a layer of aluminum oxide (AKA sapphire) forms and protects it from further corrosion.  A good grade of aluminum will not oxidize to white powder.  That type of corrosion is unique to poor alloy control.  It was/is very common in zinc alloys. Chrysler chrome trim was especially bad for this and often fell apart after a couple of years.  The root cause is a mix of dissimilar metals which results in intergranular corrosion due to the galvanic action of the metals.  Aircraft grade aluminum will not corrode in this manner.


     


    Of course all bets are off in a highly corrosive atmospehere.  Put  drop of mercury on you iphone and the case will turn to powder very quickly.


     


    Anodizing is a chemical process that grows a thicker oxide layer.  Dyes can be addded during the process to add color.  It's a very simple process and can be done at home.


     


    Since I already use a case to help protect the screen I have no objection to a plastic case.

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  • Reply 118 of 144
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member


    Originally Posted by 9secondko View Post

    Unfortunately for some, the iPhone is the best smartphone money can buy. It's the best looking, it's fast, it has the best mobile OS on the planet, it's more secure, it has a much better ecosystem, better production values, etc.



    And Android is really a second rate OS. It feels like various technical bits and pieces cobbled together to semi work together. The interface lags compared to iPhone and it seems to slow down over time compared to iPhone. Transitions are nowhere near as smooth on any android device.



    Android is acceptable when marketed as the cheapo alternative. Not the high end model.



    Why pay too much money for a souped up ford fiesta (android) when you can have the legitimate Lamborghini at that price.



    The only good reason to go android is when it is cheap or free.



    It's like Ross versus Armani.



    You go to Ross because it's cheap. The clothes may fit funny but you love them anyway because they are cheap. But when you want quality, you go upscale. Cheaper isn't better, it's just more accessible.



    But then there is the premium product that you actually want. That's the iPhone. If money were no object, android wouldn't have a reason to exist.



    It's ok Samsung and google make phones running this system. Many people need something cheap.



    But please don't go Pretending that it's something premium or that it competes favorably with ios. And then please let's not pretend that crappy plastic is somehow preferable to true high class materials like aluminum and glass.


     


    I have used an iPhone for years, and still do. The iPhone 4 was an abysmal phone (as in: device you call people on), it was a very nice PDA. The current iPhone 5 has a screen which is a little too small, a voice recognition system which is a bit buggy, an app store which randomly hangs downloading updates, a rather technologically unadvanced keyboard (both android and win phone have much better options), a camera which is not the state of the art in phone cameras. Do I like using it? Yes. Do I think it is unquestionably the best device out there? No, the primary reason I use it is inertia. Do I hope Apple's next is a major improvement? Yes, because then I can continue being inertial.


     


    Oh, I do like the metal case, but I don't think that there is anything intrinsically better about it -- it's just a nice piece of industrial design, and it's why Jonny is getting the big bucks.

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  • Reply 119 of 144
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post





    So? Polycarbonate has been used in creating bulletproof shields for decades. If this is news to you, you're seriously behind the times.



    But what does that have to do with the silly claims being made here about how high quality Samsung's shovelware phone is?

    Obviously not. You also missed DaHarder's assertion that polycarbonates are "advanced composites" which is equally laughable.


     


    You certainly are missing the point. Do I really have to explain this?


     


    Okay. 


     


    Since most people on here are claiming that Samsung is making "cheap" "plasticky" phones that are of "low quality" and "crap", I was pointing it out that their "plastic" is not "crap" nor are they "low quality". Since their phones are made out of polycarbonate (the kinds that are used in bullet proof vests). Meaning, they are not "cheap" and "low quality". 


     


    Instead they are "high quality" materials. 


     


    What the fanboys here are missing is the fact that bias against anything other than Apple. They refuse to acknowledge that fact. 


     


    Please dont let blind allegiance get to your head. 

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  • Reply 120 of 144
    hftshfts Posts: 386member
    kdarling wrote: »
    <span style="line-height:1.231;">I made no such assertion.  Some of you just don't bother to follow a thread, in your haste to respond.</span>


    <span style="line-height:1.231;">AppleInsider wrote:</span>




    All I said was that the S3 also used polycarbonate.  That's it.
    I followed the thread it was about 5 posts long after you posted.
    I also read the article.
    Even Samsung says its made of plastic.
    Polycarbonate is a plastic.
    So why did you post that its made of polycarbonate again?
    To place a doubt or twist in some of the people's mind that polycarbonate is NOT plastic. Most people equate plastic with cheap. I know it's properties and advantages.
    No one is saying that its flimsy or damages easily, it doesn't. We are commenting on the asthetics of the device. It's obvious that it does look "cheap", even compared to other handsets made of a similar material. To insult Apple and even attempt to say its on par is riidicolous.
    I still call you out on spinning. I simply want you to stop this BS.
    I want you to stop making sermons to us.
    I, certainly don't need you to impart any knowledge to me.
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