Their 441 is only about 330 pixels. Remember it's PenTile so it's not an RGB|RGB layout, it's an RG|BG layout. Reduce that 441 by a third to get the true pixel count.
And it's not just about the total number of pixels, as accuracy is also an important factor to take into consideration, and those pentile/amoled screens have horrible color accuracy.
"Retina" doesn't really mean a whole lot any more. All the newer handsets seem to qualify. By this time next year it won't even be valuable as a marketing term IMO.
Sure, marketing terms do fall away as they become standard but let's remember that Apple did this with great battery life in 2010 on a smartphone, in 2012 with a 10" tablet and notebooks. There is still a long way to go, especially on PCs for everything to get to a point that Retina will no longer be used.
Let's also remember that at a 332 true PPI this is the first Galaxy S series phone that qualifies as being Retina-quality and it's not due out until the end of April 2013.
What to do with such high dpi is just the android app developer's headache now. And seriously, who (or what app) really uses all those GHz and cores? Other than Android OS ofcourse.
I agree, that is just too much for app developers to try and deal with. I mean who in their right mind would ever want their app to look good? Should just take all the resolutions back to a 480 x 320px at 163 ppi resolution. That way they don't have to worry about things like this any more.
Yeah, who would ever use that many GHz and cores? No one ever will create anything that could use that. It is pointless to even put something like that in place. It has been determined with research that 1.3 GHZ Dual Core is the physical limit that anything will ever be able to utilize. Anything else is just for the spec sheets.
We have all these trolls that come here just to spread FUD, but i have to say something...
After reading some news on some blogs (I like android, i have an android phone. In fact, i love android, i would love a nexus from LG, i just think Apple's devices and strategy are better) i came across something.
Not all android fans are stupid and retarded like the ones we see here, and not all android blogs are apple-bashing sites. Far from it.
Some sites have really great comparisons and great reviews and nicely illustrate the pros vs cons of choosing a given smartphone. Obviously, on those sites, stupid fandroids (like the ones that come here) get irritated, but you can ignore them.
Sites like these, objective reviews like these, should help some of you to understand and even like Android for what it is. You can love Apple, prefer the iPhone by a large margin, but still like Android and choose a cheap but good smartphone (like the nexus) when you can't justify 700 euros.
When using logic and facts, anyone can see that you cannot call the gs4 "superior" or "better" than the iPhone, or some android devices. It's a great read.
Kudos to them.
I think many of us are aware. I have repeatedly seen comments from regular members here about the quality of the HTC One.
I believe it is important to note that the review you linked does seem fair initially, the repeated reference to iOS as a "simple" operating system and Android as a "complex" operating system is clearly biased.
And it's not just about the total number of pixels, as accuracy is also an important factor to take into consideration, and those pentile/amoled screens have horrible color accuracy.
True, but I'm hoping that finally being a Retina-like density on par with the iPhone that the sub-pixel trickery will actually allow for a better representation of the image.
Sure, marketing terms do fall away as they become standard but let's remember that Apple did this with great battery life in 2010 on a smartphone, in 2012 with a 10" tablet and notebooks. There is still a long way to go, especially on PCs for everything to get to a point that Retina will no longer be used.
Let's also remember that at a 332 true PPI this is the first Galaxy S series phone that qualifies as being Retina-quality and it's not due out until the end of April 2013.
True, But Sony, HTC, LG, Samsung, Google and probably others all offer smartphones with "retina" displays now.
The main problem with this phone, and its predecessor, is that when you use it as an actual phone (i.e. hold it against your head and talk to someone), you look like an absolute cock.
Why are companies competing in doing higher then retina displays? The eyes cant see the difference. ...
The reason (although they would never admit it) is two-fold. A pen-tile display of the same resolution as the iPhone is easy to achieve without any extra outlay of money or investment in any new technology and at the same time it gives them two marketing points.
When the average yokel gets "sold" on a phone at the store by the cell carrier guy, he has two great things to say to the customer.
1) "This phone has more pixels than an iPhone!"
2) "This phone displays 1080p movies natively!"
Neither means anything, but they both sound fantastic. They are (to the yokel), clear, impossible to fudge stats that show this thing is *better* than an iPhone.
It isn't at all of course, but marketing is powerful. Most people don't actually make reasoned, objective choices about things like this. By far the majority of folks buy what they think is cool, or what someone told them to buy etc.
True, But Sony, HTC, LG, Samsung, Google and probably others all offer smartphones with "retina" displays now.
If there is anyone I know that is well versed on the specs of all the major vendor's premium smartphones it's you and yet you use the word probably. Except for Samsung and Google via the Nexus brand no one else really matters in the Android world. Sony could have a smartphone that blows the Samsung S IV away in areas that the customer would appreciate but they're likely to never know it exists.
So outside the upcoming Galaxy S IV what is there that is shipping with a real or adjusted (in the case of PenTile) Retina-like display? The only actual products I know of are on tablets from Amazon Kindle Fire HD 8.9" and the Google Nexus 10". Outside of that it's just some mention on Engadget for some low-yield device or company I never heard of again.
The main problem with this phone, and its predecessor, is that when you use it as an actual phone (i.e. hold it against your head and talk to someone), you look like an absolute cock.
You realise that in the context you used it, your attempt at obscenity is actually a positive remark, right? "Cock of the walk" etc.?
The main problem with this phone, and its predecessor, is that when you use it as an actual phone (i.e. hold it against your head and talk to someone), you look like an absolute cock.
Three things make me think that isn't an issue:
1) Wired headphones with built-in mic.
2) BT headset.
3) In a world with Google Glass even holding Dell's 18" tablet up to your ear looks like douchie.
You realise that in the context you used it, your attempt at obscenity is actually a positive remark, right? "Cock of the walk" etc.?
Ha!
I remember the first time I saw one of the Galaxy S3's (a friend of mine who works for Google always seems to have the latest and greatest Android phone), being stunningly impressed with the screen and actually quite impressed with the device as a whole, then he received a call and I found myself feeling sorry for him. It looked like it was a phone designed specifically for old people because they need bigger buttons!
3) In comparison to Google Glass even holding Dell's 18" tablet up to your ear looks like douchie.
I actually think using a BT headset makes you look like a cock, especially if you're the type of person who wears one all the time, even when not on a call. As a general rule, I believe in a headset in the car for safety purposes only.
I also suspect people wearing Google Glasses are going to be the champions of douchbaggery, though obviously I'll hold off my snide and unpleasant comments until I've actually seen them!
It's PenTile so when you remove 1/3 of the pixels to make it an even sub-pixel count it's on par with what Apple has been using in the iPhone since 2010. The difference is likely that the color accuracy is still way off which is something I'm not willing to trade away in a display simply so I can us half-truths to say my display has a higher PPI.
Why would one sacrifice one's eyesight with an inferior screen than the iphones? The Galaxy S3/S4 buyers are stupid in this respect.
That sounds like a nice feature. I have tried to use an iPhone with gloves and it doesn't work very well. Fortunately, I live in warm climates so I rarely need gloves except for gardening or cycling. In colder climates it must be annoying to not be able to use a touch screen without first removing your glove.
Why would one sacrifice one's eyesight with an inferior screen than the iphones? The Galaxy S3/S4 buyers are stupid in this respect.
Sacrifice one's eyesight? How so?
As for inferior, it's visual trickery but it's also a clever way to reduce power usage and cost and at being slightly above but on par with the iPhone's PPI once you adjust for true pixel count it's not inferior unless it renders the image poorly. I think that's still likely but I also think that as we get into Retina-like displays that effect can be limited dramatically. Only time will tell how much better, if at all, the results are, but I don't think we can do anything but speculate on that at this time.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Their 441 is only about 330 pixels. Remember it's PenTile so it's not an RGB|RGB layout, it's an RG|BG layout. Reduce that 441 by a third to get the true pixel count.
And it's not just about the total number of pixels, as accuracy is also an important factor to take into consideration, and those pentile/amoled screens have horrible color accuracy.
Sure, marketing terms do fall away as they become standard but let's remember that Apple did this with great battery life in 2010 on a smartphone, in 2012 with a 10" tablet and notebooks. There is still a long way to go, especially on PCs for everything to get to a point that Retina will no longer be used.
Let's also remember that at a 332 true PPI this is the first Galaxy S series phone that qualifies as being Retina-quality and it's not due out until the end of April 2013.
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Originally Posted by spacerays
What to do with such high dpi is just the android app developer's headache now. And seriously, who (or what app) really uses all those GHz and cores? Other than Android OS ofcourse.
I agree, that is just too much for app developers to try and deal with. I mean who in their right mind would ever want their app to look good? Should just take all the resolutions back to a 480 x 320px at 163 ppi resolution. That way they don't have to worry about things like this any more.
Yeah, who would ever use that many GHz and cores? No one ever will create anything that could use that. It is pointless to even put something like that in place. It has been determined with research that 1.3 GHZ Dual Core is the physical limit that anything will ever be able to utilize. Anything else is just for the spec sheets.
I think many of us are aware. I have repeatedly seen comments from regular members here about the quality of the HTC One.
I believe it is important to note that the review you linked does seem fair initially, the repeated reference to iOS as a "simple" operating system and Android as a "complex" operating system is clearly biased.
True, but I'm hoping that finally being a Retina-like density on par with the iPhone that the sub-pixel trickery will actually allow for a better representation of the image.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Sure, marketing terms do fall away as they become standard but let's remember that Apple did this with great battery life in 2010 on a smartphone, in 2012 with a 10" tablet and notebooks. There is still a long way to go, especially on PCs for everything to get to a point that Retina will no longer be used.
Let's also remember that at a 332 true PPI this is the first Galaxy S series phone that qualifies as being Retina-quality and it's not due out until the end of April 2013.
True, But Sony, HTC, LG, Samsung, Google and probably others all offer smartphones with "retina" displays now.
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Originally Posted by KDMeister
That camera protruding out the backside is just plain ugly. Wonder what Sir Ive would have to say about that.
Hopefully nothing. . .
The main problem with this phone, and its predecessor, is that when you use it as an actual phone (i.e. hold it against your head and talk to someone), you look like an absolute cock.
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Originally Posted by shompa
Why are companies competing in doing higher then retina displays? The eyes cant see the difference. ...
The reason (although they would never admit it) is two-fold. A pen-tile display of the same resolution as the iPhone is easy to achieve without any extra outlay of money or investment in any new technology and at the same time it gives them two marketing points.
When the average yokel gets "sold" on a phone at the store by the cell carrier guy, he has two great things to say to the customer.
1) "This phone has more pixels than an iPhone!"
2) "This phone displays 1080p movies natively!"
Neither means anything, but they both sound fantastic. They are (to the yokel), clear, impossible to fudge stats that show this thing is *better* than an iPhone.
It isn't at all of course, but marketing is powerful. Most people don't actually make reasoned, objective choices about things like this. By far the majority of folks buy what they think is cool, or what someone told them to buy etc.
If there is anyone I know that is well versed on the specs of all the major vendor's premium smartphones it's you and yet you use the word probably. Except for Samsung and Google via the Nexus brand no one else really matters in the Android world. Sony could have a smartphone that blows the Samsung S IV away in areas that the customer would appreciate but they're likely to never know it exists.
So outside the upcoming Galaxy S IV what is there that is shipping with a real or adjusted (in the case of PenTile) Retina-like display? The only actual products I know of are on tablets from Amazon Kindle Fire HD 8.9" and the Google Nexus 10". Outside of that it's just some mention on Engadget for some low-yield device or company I never heard of again.
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson
The main problem with this phone, and its predecessor, is that when you use it as an actual phone (i.e. hold it against your head and talk to someone), you look like an absolute cock.
You realise that in the context you used it, your attempt at obscenity is actually a positive remark, right? "Cock of the walk" etc.?
Three things make me think that isn't an issue:
2) BT headset.
3) In a world with Google Glass even holding Dell's 18" tablet up to your ear looks like douchie.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
You realise that in the context you used it, your attempt at obscenity is actually a positive remark, right? "Cock of the walk" etc.?
Ha!
I remember the first time I saw one of the Galaxy S3's (a friend of mine who works for Google always seems to have the latest and greatest Android phone), being stunningly impressed with the screen and actually quite impressed with the device as a whole, then he received a call and I found myself feeling sorry for him. It looked like it was a phone designed specifically for old people because they need bigger buttons!
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Three things make me think that isn't an issue:
1) Wired headphones with built-in mic.
2) BT headset.
3) In comparison to Google Glass even holding Dell's 18" tablet up to your ear looks like douchie.
I actually think using a BT headset makes you look like a cock, especially if you're the type of person who wears one all the time, even when not on a call. As a general rule, I believe in a headset in the car for safety purposes only.
I also suspect people wearing Google Glasses are going to be the champions of douchbaggery, though obviously I'll hold off my snide and unpleasant comments until I've actually seen them!
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
It's PenTile so when you remove 1/3 of the pixels to make it an even sub-pixel count it's on par with what Apple has been using in the iPhone since 2010. The difference is likely that the color accuracy is still way off which is something I'm not willing to trade away in a display simply so I can us half-truths to say my display has a higher PPI.
Why would one sacrifice one's eyesight with an inferior screen than the iphones? The Galaxy S3/S4 buyers are stupid in this respect.
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Originally Posted by tzeshan
Why would one sacrifice one's eyesight with an inferior screen than the iphones? The Galaxy S3/S4 buyers are stupid in this respect.
What damage are they doing to their eyes?
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
What damage are they doing to their eyes?
Bigger screen, better for porn, more "relaxing in a gentlemens way", go blind.......!
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Originally Posted by mausz
touchscreen has hover and glove support
That sounds like a nice feature. I have tried to use an iPhone with gloves and it doesn't work very well. Fortunately, I live in warm climates so I rarely need gloves except for gardening or cycling. In colder climates it must be annoying to not be able to use a touch screen without first removing your glove.
Sacrifice one's eyesight? How so?
As for inferior, it's visual trickery but it's also a clever way to reduce power usage and cost and at being slightly above but on par with the iPhone's PPI once you adjust for true pixel count it's not inferior unless it renders the image poorly. I think that's still likely but I also think that as we get into Retina-like displays that effect can be limited dramatically. Only time will tell how much better, if at all, the results are, but I don't think we can do anything but speculate on that at this time.