The reason (although they would never admit it) is two-fold. A pen-tile display of the same resolution as the iPhone is easy to achieve without any extra outlay of money or investment in any new technology and at the same time it gives them two marketing points.
When the average yokel gets "sold" on a phone at the store by the cell carrier guy, he has two great things to say to the customer.
1) "This phone has more pixels than an iPhone!"
2) "This phone displays 1080p movies natively!"
Neither means anything, but they both sound fantastic. They are (to the yokel), clear, impossible to fudge stats that show this thing is *better* than an iPhone.
It isn't at all of course, but marketing is powerful. Most people don't actually make reasoned, objective choices about things like this. By far the majority of folks buy what they think is cool, or what someone told them to buy etc.
You are using the term "yokel" to refer to the average person derisively which isn't fair. There are a fair number of subjects about which most people are uninformed, technology happens to be one and you happen to be an exception. Many of the technological achievements we enjoy today wouldn't have been possible without mainstream acceptance.
1) We don't know if they'll be inaccurate; all we know is that so far AMOLED displays typically ship with high saturation. Is this a limitation of the tech, a poor calibration at the factory or inability for the OS to correctly display images, or (see point number 2)?
2) Some people seem to like that vivid yet inaccurate over-saturated look so maybe it's a marketing decision more than a technical one.
3) Has PenTile been shown to be more or less accurate than non-PenTile AMOLED displays?
The problem with the s4 is that it's too complicated to use, you have to be literally a genius to properly figure all the software features. Also they went back with using plastic which breaks easily and feels cheap in the hand.
That's not necessarily true either. Some users like the heavily saturated "color pop" on the AMOLED screens. In fact vendors have been known to intentionally oversaturate their displays for maximum color vibrancy. Drop by any box store HDTV section for proof. I've seen complaints about Apple's "Retina" display being too muted for some tastes, despite claims that the color might be accurate. Different stokes. . .
I really expect the Apple iPhone5s (or whatever comes next) to be iterative as well. What would not make a new phone iterative? Holographic display? Another doubling of resolution? A far more advanced Siri? It's applications that drive these devices. Phones are becoming a "mature" technology, just as computers are. It's absurd to be expecting revolutionary changes at this point. Screens will get a bit bigger, the phones will continue to get thinner and lighter and future iterations will run faster and perhaps get a bit better battery life, but I find it hard to believe we're going to see big changes in less than 3-5 year intervals.
Funny how the trolls come out of the woodwork like roaches for certain articles. It's not just Samsung articles either, they'll often come to pooh-pooh new Apple products.
General rule of thumb, the more there are the more likely their opinions will turn out not to be accurate.
People are really making too much of an issue out of this screen. It is more than adequate for what is intended to be a mass market device. If the screen really bothers you, Samsung and others are producing plenty of phones that do not use PenTile. They chose PenTile apparently for longevity since it seems to last longer, especially the blue subpixels apparently. If PenTile is noticeably inferior surely there would have been far more vocal and widely publicized complaints about the S3. The Note 2 interestingly enough uses a non-PenTile OLED display. At 1920 x 1080, the shortcomings of PenTile will be very hard to notice except under extreme magnification. But the truth is most users would never notice the difference, unless someone would specifically point it out. Display purists might have some talking points but it won't resonate with the typical consumer that simply want a big bright display easy on the eyes which the S4 will deliver. Few will notice or care about having a PenTile especially if to their own eyes they can't tell any difference.
I would agree that it is largely an iterative upgrade, but so will most if not all phones released this year. We have reached a point where a lot was already packed into the previous generation and there is not a lot more you can add or change to the point that it wows. Maybe a game changing device is down the pike in the future, but I doubt it will happen this year.
Much of the software seems gimmicky and will probably not be used. The one exception is the camera stuff which might gain some appeal. Overall I think one of the most impressive notes of interest is the fact that it is smaller and lighter than the S3 while managing to include a .3" larger display. That is an area where I think Apple could improve by making a new iPhone not much larger than the 5 but with say a 4.5" display. Although Apple would have no choice but to go wider a bit, but it could still be nearly the same size as the current model. I think that would be the best compromise between the two camps asking for larger or stay the same size.
Samsung decided on a pretty safe and standard "S" type upgrade that will sell well especially with their $400M advertising campaign along with it. Apple has a real opening this year to really pull ahead again. I hope they decide to go for it and not play it safe with a similar S upgrade as rumors suggest. A larger display option, fingerprint sensor, 128GB, and a big iOS 7 upgrade could really turn perceptions around and excite Apple fans again who have felt a little disheartened as of late. Failing that, add Commander Data's voice as an additional option to use instead of Siri.
That's not necessarily true either. Some users like the heavily saturated "color pop" on the AMOLED screens. In fact vendors have been known to intentionally oversaturate their displays for maximum color vibrancy. Drop by any box store HDTV section for proof. I've seen complaints about Apple's "Retina" display being too muted for some tastes, despite claims that the color might be accurate. Different stokes. . .
There is a review comparing screen quality of iPhone 5, Galaxy S3, HTC One, etc. Galaxy S3 is worst. AMOLED is a hype.
This is just like Mac vs Windows PC. In general all cheap Windows PC have much poorer and inaccurate color screens than Macs. Macs are historically being favored by artists. This is the reason why Apple focused more on screen color accuracy. The fact that Apple does not use AMOLED clearly shows that Apple knows AMOLED is not good.
There is a review comparing screen quality of iPhone 5, Galaxy S3, HTC One, etc. Galaxy S3 is worst. AMOLED is a hype.
This is just like Mac vs Windows PC. In general all cheap Windows PC have much poorer and inaccurate color screens than Macs. Macs are historically being favored by artists. This is the reason why Apple focused more on screen color accuracy.
Sure, but that's likely a clinical test and not what both I and GG mentioned about subjective desirability. And let's remember that people buying smartphones likely aren't going to ever consider an expensive calibrator like someone buying a Mac for photo reproduction might. It'll still come down to what they think looks good.
But besides that, there is no test of the S IV and since that is on par with the iPhone 5 when you adjust for the PenTile sub-pixels we shouldn't make our opinions read as fact until we can back them up with some solid evidence.
There is a review comparing screen quality of iPhone 5, Galaxy S3, HTC One, etc. Galaxy S3 is worst. AMOLED is a hype.
This is just like Mac vs Windows PC. In general all cheap Windows PC have much poorer and inaccurate color screens than Macs. Macs are historically being favored by artists. This is the reason why Apple focused more on screen color accuracy.
Sure, but that's likely a clinical test and not what both I and GG mentioned about subjective desirability. And let's remember that people buying smartphones likely aren't going to ever consider an expensive calibrator like someone buying a Mac for photo reproduction might. It'll still come down to what they think looks good.
But besides that, there is no test of the S IV and since that is on par with the iPhone 5 when you adjust for the PenTile sub-pixels we shouldn't make our opinions read as fact until we can back them up with some solid evidence.
There is a review comparing screen quality of iPhone 5, Galaxy S3, HTC One, etc. Galaxy S3 is worst. AMOLED is a hype.
This is just like Mac vs Windows PC. In general all cheap Windows PC have much poorer and inaccurate color screens than Macs. Macs are historically being favored by artists. This is the reason why Apple focused more on screen color accuracy.
Nonsense. AMOLED is a very good technology and not all AMOLED displays are PenTile like the S3. The note 2 is a non-PenTile display and is very sharp. Apple even considered going with AMOLED but decided it wasn't quite mature enough due to longevity issues and a few other problems but not because of crispness.I guarantee you that you would not be able to tell the difference between an AMOLED display and a non AMOLED display at the same resolution. Your complaint is over PenTile not AMOLED and with a 1920x1080 441 PPI resolution the S4 will largely overcome any PenTile deficiencies you may have seen in that S3 comparison.
You do realize he's not trolling an Apple review. This is an article about the Galaxy S4. He could easily say you're trolling a Galaxy S4 article. Don't be hypocritical.
No Worries...It's common practice for the (self appointed) Defenders of All Things Apple here on AI to label any/every post/poster that doesn't conform to their extremely one-sided 'beliefs' a troll, even when the article's specifically about a SAMSUNG product..
Pretty ironic when the truth is THEY are the real trolls around here... and rather spiteful/disrespectful/hateful ones at that.
Anyway... Looks like Samsung has done some fine work with this new release, especially the fact that they were able to create a more powerful device with even longer battery life with an even thinner and lighter design.
2013's shaping up to be another banner year for mobile devices.
Is there a specification of battery life by Sammy?
All I saw was a battery capacity spec.
The fact that Sammy opened up the case to allow for a removable battery -- makes me suspect that the supplied battery will not last an entire day, No?
With the S4, you expose the innards of the device, have a less-reliable/protective overall package (removable back) -- and get to fuss with extra batteries, and Memory cards...
I wonder how "knox" secures these removable memory cards???
So, DaHarder how many of these little beauties will you be buying Be sure and post pictures of all of them!
It's PenTile so when you remove 1/3 of the pixels to make it an even sub-pixel count it's on par with what Apple has been using in the iPhone since 2010. The difference is likely that the color accuracy is still way off which is something I'm not willing to trade away in a display simply so I can us half-truths to say my display has a higher PPI.
This is true for the Samsung S4, but the HTC One and Sony Xperia Z both have true 1080p screens (full amount of subpixels and all)...
Nonsense. AMOLED is a very good technology and not all AMOLED displays are PenTile like the S3. The note 2 is a non-PenTile display and is very sharp.
Sharp does not mean accurate. In fact, I have no idea what definition of sharp would be relevant to this conversion.
Apple even considered going with AMOLED but decided it wasn't quite mature enough due to longevity issues and a few other problems but not because of crispness
1) Where has Apple stated this?
2) Crispness? Are we talking color accuracy still or are you thinking about a salad for lunch?
I guarantee you that you would not be able to tell the difference between an AMOLED display and a non AMOLED display at the same resolution.
I bet you can because AMOLED-based devices have repeatedly been shown to be much more saturated than the iPhone.
Your complaint is over PenTile not AMOLED and with a 1920x1080 441 PPI resolution the S4 will largely overcome any PenTile deficiencies you may have seen in that S3 comparison.
Perhaps, but you can't say that with certainly just as others can't say that it won't. We need scientific testing before we can make any determination.
What to do with such high dpi is just the android app developer's headache now. And seriously, who (or what app) really uses all those GHz and cores? Other than Android OS ofcourse. Food for thought, Specs fans.
If you'd ever used the Android SDK you'd know that dealing with multiple resolutions is pretty damn easy.
And all logos, UI elements, etc..., should be in vector graphics anyway, so scaling should be trivial...
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson
Bigger screen, better for porn, more "relaxing in a gentlemens way", go blind.......!
1080p porn anywhere you go!
You are using the term "yokel" to refer to the average person derisively which isn't fair. There are a fair number of subjects about which most people are uninformed, technology happens to be one and you happen to be an exception. Many of the technological achievements we enjoy today wouldn't have been possible without mainstream acceptance.
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson
Bigger screen, better for porn, more "relaxing in a gentlemens way", go blind.......!
But the colors are not right thus not pleasing.
1) We don't know if they'll be inaccurate; all we know is that so far AMOLED displays typically ship with high saturation. Is this a limitation of the tech, a poor calibration at the factory or inability for the OS to correctly display images, or (see point number 2)?
2) Some people seem to like that vivid yet inaccurate over-saturated look so maybe it's a marketing decision more than a technical one.
3) Has PenTile been shown to be more or less accurate than non-PenTile AMOLED displays?
Based on a lot of the Galaxy users that come here to bash Apple I would beg to differ.
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But the colors are not right thus not pleasing.
That's not necessarily true either. Some users like the heavily saturated "color pop" on the AMOLED screens. In fact vendors have been known to intentionally oversaturate their displays for maximum color vibrancy. Drop by any box store HDTV section for proof. I've seen complaints about Apple's "Retina" display being too muted for some tastes, despite claims that the color might be accurate. Different stokes. . .
Today the market loves Apple shares, as they climb.
Is this a negative reaction to the S4?
I wonder what phones the traders use?
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Funny how the trolls come out of the woodwork like roaches for certain articles. It's not just Samsung articles either, they'll often come to pooh-pooh new Apple products.
General rule of thumb, the more there are the more likely their opinions will turn out not to be accurate.
Soligadro's Theory?
People are really making too much of an issue out of this screen. It is more than adequate for what is intended to be a mass market device. If the screen really bothers you, Samsung and others are producing plenty of phones that do not use PenTile. They chose PenTile apparently for longevity since it seems to last longer, especially the blue subpixels apparently. If PenTile is noticeably inferior surely there would have been far more vocal and widely publicized complaints about the S3. The Note 2 interestingly enough uses a non-PenTile OLED display. At 1920 x 1080, the shortcomings of PenTile will be very hard to notice except under extreme magnification. But the truth is most users would never notice the difference, unless someone would specifically point it out. Display purists might have some talking points but it won't resonate with the typical consumer that simply want a big bright display easy on the eyes which the S4 will deliver. Few will notice or care about having a PenTile especially if to their own eyes they can't tell any difference.
I would agree that it is largely an iterative upgrade, but so will most if not all phones released this year. We have reached a point where a lot was already packed into the previous generation and there is not a lot more you can add or change to the point that it wows. Maybe a game changing device is down the pike in the future, but I doubt it will happen this year.
Much of the software seems gimmicky and will probably not be used. The one exception is the camera stuff which might gain some appeal. Overall I think one of the most impressive notes of interest is the fact that it is smaller and lighter than the S3 while managing to include a .3" larger display. That is an area where I think Apple could improve by making a new iPhone not much larger than the 5 but with say a 4.5" display. Although Apple would have no choice but to go wider a bit, but it could still be nearly the same size as the current model. I think that would be the best compromise between the two camps asking for larger or stay the same size.
Samsung decided on a pretty safe and standard "S" type upgrade that will sell well especially with their $400M advertising campaign along with it. Apple has a real opening this year to really pull ahead again. I hope they decide to go for it and not play it safe with a similar S upgrade as rumors suggest. A larger display option, fingerprint sensor, 128GB, and a big iOS 7 upgrade could really turn perceptions around and excite Apple fans again who have felt a little disheartened as of late. Failing that, add Commander Data's voice as an additional option to use instead of Siri.
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That's not necessarily true either. Some users like the heavily saturated "color pop" on the AMOLED screens. In fact vendors have been known to intentionally oversaturate their displays for maximum color vibrancy. Drop by any box store HDTV section for proof. I've seen complaints about Apple's "Retina" display being too muted for some tastes, despite claims that the color might be accurate. Different stokes. . .
There is a review comparing screen quality of iPhone 5, Galaxy S3, HTC One, etc. Galaxy S3 is worst. AMOLED is a hype.
This is just like Mac vs Windows PC. In general all cheap Windows PC have much poorer and inaccurate color screens than Macs. Macs are historically being favored by artists. This is the reason why Apple focused more on screen color accuracy. The fact that Apple does not use AMOLED clearly shows that Apple knows AMOLED is not good.
Sure, but that's likely a clinical test and not what both I and GG mentioned about subjective desirability. And let's remember that people buying smartphones likely aren't going to ever consider an expensive calibrator like someone buying a Mac for photo reproduction might. It'll still come down to what they think looks good.
But besides that, there is no test of the S IV and since that is on par with the iPhone 5 when you adjust for the PenTile sub-pixels we shouldn't make our opinions read as fact until we can back them up with some solid evidence.
Sure, but that's likely a clinical test and not what both I and GG mentioned about subjective desirability. And let's remember that people buying smartphones likely aren't going to ever consider an expensive calibrator like someone buying a Mac for photo reproduction might. It'll still come down to what they think looks good.
But besides that, there is no test of the S IV and since that is on par with the iPhone 5 when you adjust for the PenTile sub-pixels we shouldn't make our opinions read as fact until we can back them up with some solid evidence.
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Originally Posted by tzeshan
There is a review comparing screen quality of iPhone 5, Galaxy S3, HTC One, etc. Galaxy S3 is worst. AMOLED is a hype.
This is just like Mac vs Windows PC. In general all cheap Windows PC have much poorer and inaccurate color screens than Macs. Macs are historically being favored by artists. This is the reason why Apple focused more on screen color accuracy.
Nonsense. AMOLED is a very good technology and not all AMOLED displays are PenTile like the S3. The note 2 is a non-PenTile display and is very sharp. Apple even considered going with AMOLED but decided it wasn't quite mature enough due to longevity issues and a few other problems but not because of crispness.I guarantee you that you would not be able to tell the difference between an AMOLED display and a non AMOLED display at the same resolution. Your complaint is over PenTile not AMOLED and with a 1920x1080 441 PPI resolution the S4 will largely overcome any PenTile deficiencies you may have seen in that S3 comparison.
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You do realize he's not trolling an Apple review. This is an article about the Galaxy S4. He could easily say you're trolling a Galaxy S4 article. Don't be hypocritical.
No Worries...It's common practice for the (self appointed) Defenders of All Things Apple here on AI to label any/every post/poster that doesn't conform to their extremely one-sided 'beliefs' a troll, even when the article's specifically about a SAMSUNG product..
Pretty ironic when the truth is THEY are the real trolls around here... and rather spiteful/disrespectful/hateful ones at that.
Anyway... Looks like Samsung has done some fine work with this new release, especially the fact that they were able to create a more powerful device with even longer battery life with an even thinner and lighter design.
2013's shaping up to be another banner year for mobile devices.
Is there a specification of battery life by Sammy?
All I saw was a battery capacity spec.
The fact that Sammy opened up the case to allow for a removable battery -- makes me suspect that the supplied battery will not last an entire day, No?
With the S4, you expose the innards of the device, have a less-reliable/protective overall package (removable back) -- and get to fuss with extra batteries, and Memory cards...
I wonder how "knox" secures these removable memory cards???
So, DaHarder how many of these little beauties will you be buying Be sure and post pictures of all of them!
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
It's PenTile so when you remove 1/3 of the pixels to make it an even sub-pixel count it's on par with what Apple has been using in the iPhone since 2010. The difference is likely that the color accuracy is still way off which is something I'm not willing to trade away in a display simply so I can us half-truths to say my display has a higher PPI.
This is true for the Samsung S4, but the HTC One and Sony Xperia Z both have true 1080p screens (full amount of subpixels and all)...
Sharp does not mean accurate. In fact, I have no idea what definition of sharp would be relevant to this conversion.
1) Where has Apple stated this?
2) Crispness? Are we talking color accuracy still or are you thinking about a salad for lunch?
I bet you can because AMOLED-based devices have repeatedly been shown to be much more saturated than the iPhone.
Perhaps, but you can't say that with certainly just as others can't say that it won't. We need scientific testing before we can make any determination.
Did AnandTech or anyone else do a thorough test on those displays?
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Originally Posted by spacerays
What to do with such high dpi is just the android app developer's headache now. And seriously, who (or what app) really uses all those GHz and cores? Other than Android OS ofcourse. Food for thought, Specs fans.
If you'd ever used the Android SDK you'd know that dealing with multiple resolutions is pretty damn easy.
And all logos, UI elements, etc..., should be in vector graphics anyway, so scaling should be trivial...