If it's a purchase in iBooks I believe Apple might be sharing your contact information with the developer. Wasn't that one of the concessions Apple made for the magazine/newspaper publishers?
As much as you might wish that to be true, it's not.
And hypothetically speaking, if iOS were to cease to exist tomorrow, I would choose absolutely anything else besides Android. I would rather use a Windows phone, I would rather use Symbian, I would rather use a dead OS like WebOS, I would rather not own a phone if the only choice was Android.
Between Facebook and Google, I'm not sure which is worse. They are both companies that are out to rape users.
I am not here to defend anyone but, dear Microsoft it is called Google checkout for merchants and developers , as in every business when you sell a product you see the details of your customers, whether it is an app or a book, by the way also customers can see the developers name,company name and the address , so it is equal , as you should be aware all email marketings are opt-out by default . I do not see any mistakes here , what is the problem to complain.
The last time I bought something from a store, I can't recall them asking me for my: name, address, email address or anything of the like. It's one thing if it's a store that I have a rewards card for, since I KNOWINGLY gave them the information. Google sells it without your knowledge, especially if you didn't read ALL of the fine print as an Android user. That's where Google is making money on "FREE" Android.
How are their users SO BLIND?!?!
I even switched to Yahoo! search, since I was tired of getting emails from Staples targeting items for every electronics device I searched using Google Shopping.
Android's "freedom" is NOT intended for the end user. It's all smoke and mirrors that I want little to no part of.
Google checkout is used both by merchants and developers , what is the difference between sharing the billing address with merchants selling physical products or app developers ,when there is a problem with your product,app or you need a refund how will know who you are communicating with ? Without confirming his details . Just guessing , Amazon ,Ebay merchants probably know all their customers details even though they do not send any physical products for some of their services they provide.
Google checkout is used both by merchants and developers , what is the difference between sharing the billing address with merchants selling physical products or app developers ,when there is a problem with your product,app or you need a refund how will know who you are communicating with ? Without confirming his details . Just guessing , Amazon ,Ebay merchants probably know all their customers details even though they do not send any physical products for some of their services they provide.
If you buy from Amazon or eBay, you KNOW you have to give up your name, address and email address, or you won't receive your product. That's completely different than Google selling your information without obvious knowledge of the information being handed over. There is NO NEED for an APP DEVELOPER to have access to that information. You're buying a digital download, not a physical good. HUGE difference.
Sellers on eBay and Amazon have access to: name, address and email address for obvious reasons. With eBay, you also have the buyer's PayPal email address for payments and refunds. Nothing more.
If an app developer has to give a refund (yeah, right!), they need nothing more than your generic payment information, which Google SHOULD be responsible for. The developers should never have access to your credit card information, either.
If you buy from Amazon or eBay, you KNOW you have to give up your name, address and email address, or you won't receive your product. That's completely different than Google selling your information without obvious knowledge of the information being handed over.
Where did you find evidence that Google sold your information?
So Google gives out your full name, email address, and the neighborhood where they live....big deal, all of that data is pretty much public data anyhow. Hundreds of millions of people give out much more private info to completely random websites and strangers all the time.
The yellow pages has been giving out you name, exact address, and phone number to anybody that can read too. Does that make them evil too?
In my opinion, nothing is beyond Microsoft when it comes to doing dirty business and this is Microsoft gasping for air as they slowly sink from relevancy.
The last time I bought something from a store, I can't recall them asking me for my: name, address, email address or anything of the like. It's one thing if it's a store that I have a rewards card for, since I KNOWINGLY gave them the information. Google sells it without your knowledge, especially if you didn't read ALL of the fine print as an Android user. That's where Google is making money on "FREE" Android.
How are their users SO BLIND?!?!
I even switched to Yahoo! search, since I was tired of getting emails from Staples targeting items for every electronics device I searched using Google Shopping.
Android's "freedom" is NOT intended for the end user. It's all smoke and mirrors that I want little to no part of.
Sounds like you need to pay a little more attention to your receipts from credit card transactions at those stores! Your name is automatically included in any transaction, and with the exception of a very few states that have banned it, most ask for your zip code for authorization. Try to go to any gas pump and get out of there without your name and zip code being revealed....never going to happen.
The email address however is a little disconcerting. I do understand the rare need for a developer to contact their users in some customer support scenarios, but I don't think those needs outweigh the necessity of privacy rights.
If you buy from Amazon or eBay, you KNOW you have to give up your name, address and email address, or you won't receive your product. That's completely different than Google selling your information without obvious knowledge of the information being handed over. There is NO NEED for an APP DEVELOPER to have access to that information. You're buying a digital download, not a physical good. HUGE difference.
Sellers on eBay and Amazon have access to: name, address and email address for obvious reasons. With eBay, you also have the buyer's PayPal email address for payments and refunds. Nothing more.
If an app developer has to give a refund (yeah, right!), they need nothing more than your generic payment information, which Google SHOULD be responsible for. The developers should never have access to your credit card information, either.
There are some many examples where you are required to provide your address even though you do not receive any physical good. whether it is buying hosting,domain name, or a service on ebay or amazon , you will still required to provide your address and the merchant who provides the service will see your address . that is my point . Seeing addresses and emails of the customers does not make any difference for the Devs, all emails are opt-out by default for marketing.
The last time I bought something from a store, I can't recall them asking me for my: name, address, email address or anything of the like. It's one thing if it's a store that I have a rewards card for, since I KNOWINGLY gave them the information. Google sells it without your knowledge, especially if you didn't read ALL of the fine print as an Android user. That's where Google is making money on "FREE" Android.
How are their users SO BLIND?!?!
I even switched to Yahoo! search, since I was tired of getting emails from Staples targeting items for every electronics device I searched using Google Shopping.
Android's "freedom" is NOT intended for the end user. It's all smoke and mirrors that I want little to no part of.
because if you paid by credit card, they did not need to. Most people have no clue what those "Rewards" cards are. Google has nothing on you compared to what credit card companies and "rewards" cards have on you. How are you so blind?
Yahoo search is Bing as in "Bing Is Not Good". No thanks Mr Microsoft astroturfer.
If we cannot trust Google can we trust Microsoft? probably not - if there is a buck to be made by selling something then every company is going to look for a way to make money - Google, MS, Apple, HP, IBM and Dell. They don't care about you and me they care about the bonus the CEO and his lackey's get.
because if you paid by credit card, they did not need to. Most people have no clue what those "Rewards" cards are. Google has nothing on you compared to what credit card companies and "rewards" cards have on you. How are you so blind?
Yahoo search is Bing as in "Bing Is Not Good". No thanks Mr Microsoft astroturfer.
Google has much more information than data aggregators unless, of course, you don't use google services.
Google Search
Search Engine Result Pages
Country code domain
Query
IP address
Language
Number of results
Safe search
Additional preferences can include:
Street Address
City
State
Zip/postal code
Server log
Query
URL
IP address
Cookie
Browser
Date
Time
Clicks
Google Personalized Search
Logs every website visited as a result of a Google search
Google Accounts
Used as resource to compile information on individual users
Sign up
Sign up date
Username
Password
Alternate e-mail
Location (country)
Personal picture
Usage
Friends
Google Services usage
Amount of logins
Toolbar
All websites visited
Unique application number
Sends all visited 404s to Google
Toolbar synchronization function
Stores autofill info with Google account
Sends structure of web forms to Google
Safe browsing
Stores response to security warnings
Stores autofill forms data
Spellcheck sends data to Google servers
Web History
Every website visited from Google SERP
Date
Time
Search query
Ads clicked
Which service
Gmail
Stores, processes, and maintains all messages
Account activity
Storage usage
Number of log-ins
Data displayed
Links clicked
Stores all e-mails
Contact lists
Spam trends
Gchat
All conversations and who they involve.
When service is used
Size of contact list
Contacts communicated with
Frequency of data transfers
Size of data transfers
Clicks
Calendar
Name
Default language
Time zone
Usage statistics
How long the service is used for
Frequency of data transfers
Size of data transfers
Number of events
Number of calendars
Clicks
Deletes every 90 days
All events
Who is going
Who was invited
Comments
Descriptions
Date
Time
YouTube
YouTube SERP data
Registered user data
Videos uploaded
Comments posted
Videos flagged
Subscriptions
Channels
Groups
Favorites
Contacts
All videos watched
Frequency of data transfers
Size of data transfers
Click location data
Information display data
E-mail
Web Beacons for tracking
E-mail opened or discarded
Account basics
E-mail
Password
Username
Location (country)
Postal code
Birthdate
Gender
Google Checkout
Buyers
Full legal name
Credit card number
Debit card number
Card expiration date
Card Verification Number (CVN)
Billing address
Phone number
E-mail address
Sellers
Bank account number
Personal address
Business category
Government-issued identification number
Social Security Number
Taxpayer Identification Number
Sales Volume
Transaction volume
Business information from Dun & Bradstreet
Transactions
Amount
Description of product
Name of seller
Name of buyer
Type of payment used
User trend data
Web Beacons
Referrer data
This is just the disclosed information that Google legally gathers from users of a few of Google's most popular services. Google has many more services including many for which they do not provide disclosure.
Most of us buy stuff all the time from eBay, Amazon, and other online stores... and they all get to know our name, address, phone, email, etc.
The difference here is that Google has not made it clear to buyers that the same situation exists in their app store.
That is, when I buy something online, there's always a form that I have to fill out with all my info (or a checkbox to okay an address). This automatically makes me aware that my info is going to the seller.
I think Google should have an optional form already filled in, that you can change or even blank out if you wish. Or at the least, a notice and "ok" checkbox.
I am not here to defend anyone but, dear Microsoft it is called Google checkout for merchants and developers , as in every business when you sell a product you see the details of your customers, whether it is an app or a book, by the way also customers can see the developers name,company name and the address , so it is equal , as you should be aware all email marketings are opt-out by default . I do not see any mistakes here , what is the problem to complain.
When you buy an App on the App Store, the only party that is privy to your information if Apple. Apple has your credit card information, name, address, etc. I do not expect Apple to share that anymore then I would expect Walmart to share my information with Hersey if I bought a Tootsie Roll from a Walmart Store. Google Play, however, shares this type of information with the developers all of which are free to do what they want with your information.
Most of us buy stuff all the time from eBay, Amazon, and other online stores... and they all get to know our name, address, phone, email, etc.
The difference here is that Google has not made it clear to buyers that the same situation exists in their app store.
That is, when I buy something online, there's always a form that I have to fill out with all my info (or a checkbox to okay an address). This automatically makes me aware that my info is going to the seller.
I think Google should have an optional form already filled in, that you can change or even blank out if you wish. Or at the least, a notice and "ok" checkbox.
Amazon and eBay do not have my phone number as it is not required for a credit card transaction. Moreover, if I walk into an Apple Store and buy an iPhone case made by Switcheasy, I would not expect Apple to give Switcheasy any of my personal information. I did business with Apple, not Switcheasy. Herenot only is Google getting your information, but the developer is getting it as well.
Google has much more information than data aggregators unless, of course, you don't use google services.
Etc etc
This is just the disclosed information that Google legally gathers from users of a few of Google's most popular services. Google has many more services including many for which they do not provide disclosure.
A very thorough list MacBook Pro. Nicely done. I realize it may take a few minutes but can you do a similar one for Apple for comparison purposes?
Yahoo search is Bing as in "Bing Is Not Good". No thanks Mr Microsoft astroturfer.
I prefer Bing most of the time especially for images. I also like that searching earns me points towards things like Starbucks. I like the changing daily photo with information attached as well. Bing has a fun blind test challenge.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
If it's a purchase in iBooks I believe Apple might be sharing your contact information with the developer. Wasn't that one of the concessions Apple made for the magazine/newspaper publishers?
As much as you might wish that to be true, it's not.
And hypothetically speaking, if iOS were to cease to exist tomorrow, I would choose absolutely anything else besides Android. I would rather use a Windows phone, I would rather use Symbian, I would rather use a dead OS like WebOS, I would rather not own a phone if the only choice was Android.
Between Facebook and Google, I'm not sure which is worse. They are both companies that are out to rape users.
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Originally Posted by baconAndTrance
Hi
I am not here to defend anyone but, dear Microsoft it is called Google checkout for merchants and developers , as in every business when you sell a product you see the details of your customers, whether it is an app or a book, by the way also customers can see the developers name,company name and the address , so it is equal , as you should be aware all email marketings are opt-out by default . I do not see any mistakes here , what is the problem to complain.
The last time I bought something from a store, I can't recall them asking me for my: name, address, email address or anything of the like. It's one thing if it's a store that I have a rewards card for, since I KNOWINGLY gave them the information. Google sells it without your knowledge, especially if you didn't read ALL of the fine print as an Android user. That's where Google is making money on "FREE" Android.
How are their users SO BLIND?!?!
I even switched to Yahoo! search, since I was tired of getting emails from Staples targeting items for every electronics device I searched using Google Shopping.
Android's "freedom" is NOT intended for the end user. It's all smoke and mirrors that I want little to no part of.
I'm fairly certain you will often get a dialogue box asking if it's OK for Apple to share your contact information with the publisher/developer.
Google checkout is used both by merchants and developers , what is the difference between sharing the billing address with merchants selling physical products or app developers ,when there is a problem with your product,app or you need a refund how will know who you are communicating with ? Without confirming his details . Just guessing , Amazon ,Ebay merchants probably know all their customers details even though they do not send any physical products for some of their services they provide.
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Originally Posted by baconAndTrance
Google checkout is used both by merchants and developers , what is the difference between sharing the billing address with merchants selling physical products or app developers ,when there is a problem with your product,app or you need a refund how will know who you are communicating with ? Without confirming his details . Just guessing , Amazon ,Ebay merchants probably know all their customers details even though they do not send any physical products for some of their services they provide.
If you buy from Amazon or eBay, you KNOW you have to give up your name, address and email address, or you won't receive your product. That's completely different than Google selling your information without obvious knowledge of the information being handed over. There is NO NEED for an APP DEVELOPER to have access to that information. You're buying a digital download, not a physical good. HUGE difference.
Sellers on eBay and Amazon have access to: name, address and email address for obvious reasons. With eBay, you also have the buyer's PayPal email address for payments and refunds. Nothing more.
If an app developer has to give a refund (yeah, right!), they need nothing more than your generic payment information, which Google SHOULD be responsible for. The developers should never have access to your credit card information, either.
Where did you find evidence that Google sold your information?
So Google gives out your full name, email address, and the neighborhood where they live....big deal, all of that data is pretty much public data anyhow. Hundreds of millions of people give out much more private info to completely random websites and strangers all the time.
The yellow pages has been giving out you name, exact address, and phone number to anybody that can read too. Does that make them evil too?
In my opinion, nothing is beyond Microsoft when it comes to doing dirty business and this is Microsoft gasping for air as they slowly sink from relevancy.
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Originally Posted by RedGeminiPA
The last time I bought something from a store, I can't recall them asking me for my: name, address, email address or anything of the like. It's one thing if it's a store that I have a rewards card for, since I KNOWINGLY gave them the information. Google sells it without your knowledge, especially if you didn't read ALL of the fine print as an Android user. That's where Google is making money on "FREE" Android.
How are their users SO BLIND?!?!
I even switched to Yahoo! search, since I was tired of getting emails from Staples targeting items for every electronics device I searched using Google Shopping.
Android's "freedom" is NOT intended for the end user. It's all smoke and mirrors that I want little to no part of.
Sounds like you need to pay a little more attention to your receipts from credit card transactions at those stores! Your name is automatically included in any transaction, and with the exception of a very few states that have banned it, most ask for your zip code for authorization. Try to go to any gas pump and get out of there without your name and zip code being revealed....never going to happen.
The email address however is a little disconcerting. I do understand the rare need for a developer to contact their users in some customer support scenarios, but I don't think those needs outweigh the necessity of privacy rights.
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Originally Posted by RedGeminiPA
If you buy from Amazon or eBay, you KNOW you have to give up your name, address and email address, or you won't receive your product. That's completely different than Google selling your information without obvious knowledge of the information being handed over. There is NO NEED for an APP DEVELOPER to have access to that information. You're buying a digital download, not a physical good. HUGE difference.
Sellers on eBay and Amazon have access to: name, address and email address for obvious reasons. With eBay, you also have the buyer's PayPal email address for payments and refunds. Nothing more.
If an app developer has to give a refund (yeah, right!), they need nothing more than your generic payment information, which Google SHOULD be responsible for. The developers should never have access to your credit card information, either.
There are some many examples where you are required to provide your address even though you do not receive any physical good. whether it is buying hosting,domain name, or a service on ebay or amazon , you will still required to provide your address and the merchant who provides the service will see your address . that is my point . Seeing addresses and emails of the customers does not make any difference for the Devs, all emails are opt-out by default for marketing.
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Originally Posted by RedGeminiPA
The last time I bought something from a store, I can't recall them asking me for my: name, address, email address or anything of the like. It's one thing if it's a store that I have a rewards card for, since I KNOWINGLY gave them the information. Google sells it without your knowledge, especially if you didn't read ALL of the fine print as an Android user. That's where Google is making money on "FREE" Android.
How are their users SO BLIND?!?!
I even switched to Yahoo! search, since I was tired of getting emails from Staples targeting items for every electronics device I searched using Google Shopping.
Android's "freedom" is NOT intended for the end user. It's all smoke and mirrors that I want little to no part of.
because if you paid by credit card, they did not need to. Most people have no clue what those "Rewards" cards are. Google has nothing on you compared to what credit card companies and "rewards" cards have on you. How are you so blind?
Yahoo search is Bing as in "Bing Is Not Good". No thanks Mr Microsoft astroturfer.
Screw you consumer.
Google has much more information than data aggregators unless, of course, you don't use google services.
Google Search
Google Accounts
Toolbar
Web History
Gmail
Calendar
YouTube
Google Checkout
This is just the disclosed information that Google legally gathers from users of a few of Google's most popular services. Google has many more services including many for which they do not provide disclosure.
Most of us buy stuff all the time from eBay, Amazon, and other online stores... and they all get to know our name, address, phone, email, etc.
The difference here is that Google has not made it clear to buyers that the same situation exists in their app store.
That is, when I buy something online, there's always a form that I have to fill out with all my info (or a checkbox to okay an address). This automatically makes me aware that my info is going to the seller.
I think Google should have an optional form already filled in, that you can change or even blank out if you wish. Or at the least, a notice and "ok" checkbox.
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Originally Posted by baconAndTrance
Hi
I am not here to defend anyone but, dear Microsoft it is called Google checkout for merchants and developers , as in every business when you sell a product you see the details of your customers, whether it is an app or a book, by the way also customers can see the developers name,company name and the address , so it is equal , as you should be aware all email marketings are opt-out by default . I do not see any mistakes here , what is the problem to complain.
When you buy an App on the App Store, the only party that is privy to your information if Apple. Apple has your credit card information, name, address, etc. I do not expect Apple to share that anymore then I would expect Walmart to share my information with Hersey if I bought a Tootsie Roll from a Walmart Store. Google Play, however, shares this type of information with the developers all of which are free to do what they want with your information.
I agree with Microsoft.
That's an excellent suggestion, and Google should consider it..
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Originally Posted by KDarling
Most of us buy stuff all the time from eBay, Amazon, and other online stores... and they all get to know our name, address, phone, email, etc.
The difference here is that Google has not made it clear to buyers that the same situation exists in their app store.
That is, when I buy something online, there's always a form that I have to fill out with all my info (or a checkbox to okay an address). This automatically makes me aware that my info is going to the seller.
I think Google should have an optional form already filled in, that you can change or even blank out if you wish. Or at the least, a notice and "ok" checkbox.
Amazon and eBay do not have my phone number as it is not required for a credit card transaction. Moreover, if I walk into an Apple Store and buy an iPhone case made by Switcheasy, I would not expect Apple to give Switcheasy any of my personal information. I did business with Apple, not Switcheasy. Here not only is Google getting your information, but the developer is getting it as well.
A very thorough list MacBook Pro. Nicely done. I realize it may take a few minutes but can you do a similar one for Apple for comparison purposes?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bullhead
Yahoo search is Bing as in "Bing Is Not Good". No thanks Mr Microsoft astroturfer.
I prefer Bing most of the time especially for images. I also like that searching earns me points towards things like Starbucks. I like the changing daily photo with information attached as well. Bing has a fun blind test challenge.