What iOS users really need is the ability to set their own default apps on their device: default web browser, default email client, default mapping app, default PDF viewing app, default music listening app, default text editor, etc.
Apple's complete control over iOS, is just one of the reasons I am in the process of leaving the iOS ecosystem. I like google maps, apple maps aren't bad, but I want a choice... I can go to another application, but I can't set google maps as a default. Same thing goes for my web browser. Safari isn't bad, but I prefer the way chrome syncs across all my devices. Yet, on my ipad I'm stuck using safari when I click on links from emails, or applications. It's a real annoyance that apple thinks they know what's best for me. Their arrogance is worse than MS when it came to internet explorer. At least you could set netscape as your default browser back in the day.
I'm sure many of you will go on loving apple product, and that's fine with me, I don't really care. But claiming that things like apple maps don't matter, and users don't want choice is just burying your head in the sand. It's no wonder apple's stock has fallen. their market share numbers may be #1 for now, but with the arrogance that apple's gone with, I could see it dropping fast, the only question is when.
As far as the cost of leaving the iOS ecosystem... Having $25 or so worth of software on one device won't hold people back. especially when apple's products are prices $100 or more than the competitors.
Phil
What a shitty post. There's more "options" today on apple platforms that there ever has been in it's history. Oh no, if you want to use Google maps, you have to..TAP THE ICON!. The horror. How will being able to change it to the default really affect anything? It has nothing to do with "arrogance". Apple can design it's mobile OS hoever the **** it wants, and does so in a matter that it believes is most intuitive to the majority of people, not OCD geeks who feel the need to change the defaults for everything. If you want to leave iOS do it- there's no reaon to make a threatening speech about it. For every user like you that Apple loses, they'll gain another 5.
And your statement about the stock is hilarious. "It's no wonder apple's stock has fallen."
Yeah, clearly the stock has fallen because "lack of choice"- because back when it was $700 last year, iOS was an open platform and stuff, right? And back then, Apple offered so many more "choices", right? It's hilarious that you would attempt to blame the stock drop on an aspect of Apple that has remained constant almost since it's inception, an aspect which has seen it grow exponentially into the company it is today. And yet, suddenly you're attributing the stock drop to the fact that "Apple thinks it knows whats best for you", as if that just happened yesterday. The stock has absolutely nothing to do with that, as I doubt investors, analysts, or market manipulators give 2 fucks about the ability to defaults. You're clearly a troll who has never liked Apple, because any other explanation would make no sense. You have infinitely more map options and features on iOS than you did a year ago,and the Google maps app is also much, much better than what we had previously, as is Apple maps.
" It's a real annoyance that apple thinks they know what's best for me"
You're right, Apple shouldn't decide on whats best. It should be a democracy, where they take the input of the entire world population and then somehow try to design something that pleases everey single individual. God forbid that Apple thinks it knows whats best for most people. I mean, what part of their track record would give them that confidence? Certainly not the part where they revolutionized 7 industries, and became one of the worlds most successful and loved companies. No, clearly someone like you knows much better.
You are a liar. I tried to use Google Maps on the iPad. However, it is an iPhone application. Of course the experience is very bad. The Apple Maps on iPad is a full screen app. It trounces Google Maps easily.
We will never forget when Google introduced the Android smartphone in late 2009, it touted it has navigation feature as better the Google Map app on the iPhone. Google had done evil to iPhone users despite it makes a ton of money from them. We should never trust a business that runs like this.
In all fairness it had to offer some unique features for the platform to be attractive. It's common business practice and it wasn't about 'screwing' iPhone users it was more a lure to get them to change platforms.
What a shitty post. There's more "options" today on apple platforms that there ever has been in it's history. Oh no, if you want to use Google maps, you have to..TAP THE ICON!. The horror. How will being able to change it to the default really affect anything? It has nothing to do with "arrogance". Apple can design it's mobile OS hoever the **** it wants, and does so in a matter that it believes is most intuitive to the majority of people, not OCD geeks who feel the need to change the defaults for everything. If you want to leave iOS do it- there's no reaon to make a threatening speech about it. For every user like you that Apple loses, they'll gain another 5.
And your statement about the stock is hilarious. "<span style="background-color:rgb(241,241,241);font-size:13px;line-height:1.231;">It's no wonder apple's stock has fallen."</span>
<span style="background-color:rgb(241,241,241);font-size:13px;line-height:1.231;">Yeah, clearly the stock has fallen because "lack of choice"- because back when it was $700 last year, iOS was an open platform and stuff, right? And back then, Apple offered so many more "choices", right? It's hilarious that you would attempt to blame the stock drop on an aspect of Apple that has remained constant almost since it's inception, an aspect which has seen it grow exponentially into the company it is today. And yet, suddenly you're attributing the stock drop to the fact that "Apple thinks it knows whats best for you", as if that just happened yesterday. The stock has absolutely nothing to do with that, as I doubt investors, analysts, or market manipulators give 2 fucks about the ability to defaults. You're clearly a troll who has never liked Apple, because any other explanation would make no sense. You have infinitely more map options and features on iOS than you did a year ago,and the Google maps app is also much, much better than what we had previously, as is Apple maps. </span>
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<span style="background-color:rgb(241,241,241);font-size:13px;line-height:1.231;"> It's a real annoyance that apple thinks they know what's best for me"</span>
<span style="background-color:rgb(241,241,241);font-size:13px;line-height:1.231;">You're right, Apple shouldn't decide on whats best. It should be a democracy, where they take the input of the entire world population and then somehow try to design something that pleases everey single individual. God forbid that Apple thinks it knows whats best for most people. I mean, what part of their track record would give them that confidence? Certainly not the part where they revolutionized 7 industries, and became one of the worlds most successful and loved companies. No, clearly someone like you knows much better. </span>
I always imagine such people don't shop at the closed systems of Kroger, Safeway, Target, or Walmart nor "dine" at Applebee's, Chili's, McDonald's, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, or Subway.
My only problem with Apple's maps app is that it doesn't check LOCALLY first when I enter an incomplete address. It has no problem checking locally first for other entered items, but for addresses, it's like all of a sudden it wants me to be in California or the Midwest. WTF?? Why not assume I want the LOCAL version of 1234 Address ST, in my own frickin' state???
My only problem with Apple's maps app is that it doesn't check LOCALLY first when I enter an incomplete address. It has no problem checking locally first for other entered items, but for addresses, it's like all of a sudden it wants me to be in California or the Midwest. WTF?? Why not assume I want the LOCAL version of 1234 Address ST, in my own frickin' state???
Do you not receive a list with previous destinations given preference?
In all fairness it had to offer some unique features for the platform to be attractive. It's common business practice and it wasn't about 'screwing' iPhone users it was more a lure to get them to change platforms.
So Google will screw us again in the future and it is still being fair?
So Google will screw us again in the future and it is still being fair?
It's not like Apple doesn't come out with features the previous devices can't use. So getting screwed by Apple is just fine but don't let anyone else do it.
It's not like Apple doesn't come out with features the previous devices can't use. So getting screwed by Apple is just fine but don't let anyone else do it.
Do you mean many early Android smartphones can not upgrade to the newest version is for business sake too?
Oh no, if you want to use Google maps, you have to..TAP THE ICON!. The horror. How will being able to change it to the default really affect anything?
If I get an email with an address and I touch it, it will take it to Apple maps. If I want to use Google maps instead, how can it be achieved? I get a http link in an email, if I touch it, it will take me to Safari. How to get that to Chrome? That is what setting default will do.
Schmidt: That horse has already left the barn. You were the ones who refused to give Apple real-time mapping data so Apple could have turn-by-turn directions in Maps. Apple, thus, had to come up with its own mapping program.
Now Apple has surpassed Google Maps in accuracy for turn-by-turn directions in the U.S. And over time, as Apple pours more money into Maps, it will be better than Google.
Moreover, Google now gets NO DATA from Apple users as the result of losing Apple as a customer.
Boo hoo hoo. But it is Google's fault for losing Apple.
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What iOS users really need is the ability to set their own default apps on their device: default web browser, default email client, default mapping app, default PDF viewing app, default music listening app, default text editor, etc.
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Originally Posted by philgar
Apple's complete control over iOS, is just one of the reasons I am in the process of leaving the iOS ecosystem. I like google maps, apple maps aren't bad, but I want a choice... I can go to another application, but I can't set google maps as a default. Same thing goes for my web browser. Safari isn't bad, but I prefer the way chrome syncs across all my devices. Yet, on my ipad I'm stuck using safari when I click on links from emails, or applications. It's a real annoyance that apple thinks they know what's best for me. Their arrogance is worse than MS when it came to internet explorer. At least you could set netscape as your default browser back in the day.
I'm sure many of you will go on loving apple product, and that's fine with me, I don't really care. But claiming that things like apple maps don't matter, and users don't want choice is just burying your head in the sand. It's no wonder apple's stock has fallen. their market share numbers may be #1 for now, but with the arrogance that apple's gone with, I could see it dropping fast, the only question is when.
As far as the cost of leaving the iOS ecosystem... Having $25 or so worth of software on one device won't hold people back. especially when apple's products are prices $100 or more than the competitors.
Phil
What a shitty post. There's more "options" today on apple platforms that there ever has been in it's history. Oh no, if you want to use Google maps, you have to..TAP THE ICON!. The horror. How will being able to change it to the default really affect anything? It has nothing to do with "arrogance". Apple can design it's mobile OS hoever the **** it wants, and does so in a matter that it believes is most intuitive to the majority of people, not OCD geeks who feel the need to change the defaults for everything. If you want to leave iOS do it- there's no reaon to make a threatening speech about it. For every user like you that Apple loses, they'll gain another 5.
And your statement about the stock is hilarious. "It's no wonder apple's stock has fallen."
Yeah, clearly the stock has fallen because "lack of choice"- because back when it was $700 last year, iOS was an open platform and stuff, right? And back then, Apple offered so many more "choices", right? It's hilarious that you would attempt to blame the stock drop on an aspect of Apple that has remained constant almost since it's inception, an aspect which has seen it grow exponentially into the company it is today. And yet, suddenly you're attributing the stock drop to the fact that "Apple thinks it knows whats best for you", as if that just happened yesterday. The stock has absolutely nothing to do with that, as I doubt investors, analysts, or market manipulators give 2 fucks about the ability to defaults. You're clearly a troll who has never liked Apple, because any other explanation would make no sense. You have infinitely more map options and features on iOS than you did a year ago,and the Google maps app is also much, much better than what we had previously, as is Apple maps.
" It's a real annoyance that apple thinks they know what's best for me"
You're right, Apple shouldn't decide on whats best. It should be a democracy, where they take the input of the entire world population and then somehow try to design something that pleases everey single individual. God forbid that Apple thinks it knows whats best for most people. I mean, what part of their track record would give them that confidence? Certainly not the part where they revolutionized 7 industries, and became one of the worlds most successful and loved companies. No, clearly someone like you knows much better.
In all fairness it had to offer some unique features for the platform to be attractive. It's common business practice and it wasn't about 'screwing' iPhone users it was more a lure to get them to change platforms.
I always imagine such people don't shop at the closed systems of Kroger, Safeway, Target, or Walmart nor "dine" at Applebee's, Chili's, McDonald's, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, or Subway.
They must do everything for themselves:
Do you not receive a list with previous destinations given preference?
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
In all fairness it had to offer some unique features for the platform to be attractive. It's common business practice and it wasn't about 'screwing' iPhone users it was more a lure to get them to change platforms.
So Google will screw us again in the future and it is still being fair?
It's not like Apple doesn't come out with features the previous devices can't use. So getting screwed by Apple is just fine but don't let anyone else do it.
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Originally Posted by tzeshan
You are a liar. I tried to use Google Maps on the iPad. However, it is an iPhone application. Of course the experience is very bad.
And you are just a name-caller (whom I will report).
Where did I say I used it on an iPad?
PS: I see that knee-jerk MacBook Pro agreed with you. Stay classy, man!?
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
It's not like Apple doesn't come out with features the previous devices can't use. So getting screwed by Apple is just fine but don't let anyone else do it.
Do you mean many early Android smartphones can not upgrade to the newest version is for business sake too?
Now you want to give the iOS turn by turn.
F you.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
And you are just a name-caller (whom I will report).
Where did I say I used it on an iPad?
PS: I see that knee-jerk MacBook Pro agreed with you. Stay classy, man!?
Do you admit that you are ignorant not knowing Google Maps does not have an iPad version?
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
Oh no, if you want to use Google maps, you have to..TAP THE ICON!. The horror. How will being able to change it to the default really affect anything?
If I get an email with an address and I touch it, it will take it to Apple maps. If I want to use Google maps instead, how can it be achieved? I get a http link in an email, if I touch it, it will take me to Safari. How to get that to Chrome? That is what setting default will do.
Is this the same guy who told the world Apple was holding approvals of apps that Google hadn't submitted?
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Originally Posted by philgar
I'm sure many of you will go on loving apple product, and that's fine with me, I don't really care.
Phil
Neither do I. About whether you like Apple or not.
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Originally Posted by tzeshan
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
And you are just a name-caller (whom I will report).
Where did I say I used it on an iPad?
PS: I see that knee-jerk MacBook Pro agreed with you. Stay classy, man!?
Do you admit that you are ignorant not knowing Google Maps does not have an iPad version?
Looks like we have a Reading Comprehension 101 issue here.
Sigh......
That's more the fault of the manufacturers and carriers than Google.
I think I'll stick to Apple's app thank you very much. It's worked very well for me. Can't say the same with Google Maps though.
Now Apple has surpassed Google Maps in accuracy for turn-by-turn directions in the U.S. And over time, as Apple pours more money into Maps, it will be better than Google.
Moreover, Google now gets NO DATA from Apple users as the result of losing Apple as a customer.
Boo hoo hoo. But it is Google's fault for losing Apple.