Your screenshot above exhibits exactly the BS that Google gets excused for too often. Just from looking at your screenshot I searched "Beaver Stadium, Curtin Rd" on Google maps and got nothing! I entered "E Park Ave, Bigler Rd" exactly as it appears in their own map graphic and again zilch "No results"! Entering the same text in Apple Maps brings me to the correct stadium and campus location both times.
The Google map inaccurately shows too large of a green section as "The Arboretum at Penn state" and doesn't properly identify Sunset View Park with a green section, as Apple Maps does. Google maps is far from infallible, far enough for Apple to be completely justified in wanting to replace them on their own devices.
Google updates their Nexus phones as they please. They didn't put Android on the other manufacturers phones in the first place so updating those phones is not Google's responsibility. Google isn't the slave the manufacturers are.
You're simply confused by the fact that their are two distinct OS's referred to as "Android". There's the Blackberry copycat OS that existed prior to 2007, then, there's the iOS copycat OS that was created after that. Your confusion is understandable, since both of them are called "Android" but they are in fact two distinct OS's: Android I & Android II. Android II was created after Schmidt joined the Apple board, after iOS was revealed. So, regardless of whether Schmidt personally engaged in industrial sabotage, Android II is a copy of iOS, and this argument of, "Android was created in 2003..." refers to Android I and has nothing to do with the iOS clone Android II.
That can't be any clearer, so anyone presenting this argument in contradiction of the fact that present day Android (Android II) is a clone of iOS either has no idea what they are talking about, or is deliberately being dishonest.
"Android II" isn't a copy. What are you smoking? Android was inspired by iOS. But a copy?
Let me guess;you believe Apple owns the idea of a full touch smartphone huh?
You do not know how Samsung is able to copycat iPhone in detail? It is Google's Android OS that provided copycat API of iOS that enabled Samsung to copycat iPhone.
So when Jailbreakers are capable of hacking Android-like features into iOS does that mean Apple copied Android?
If I get an email with an address and I touch it, it will take it to Apple maps. If I want to use Google maps instead, how can it be achieved? I get a http link in an email, if I touch it, it will take me to Safari. How to get that to Chrome? That is what setting default will do.
Hold down the text, cut, open alternative of your choice, paste.
"Android II" isn't a copy. What are you smoking? Android was inspired by iOS. But a copy?
Let me guess;you believe Apple owns the idea of a full touch smartphone huh?
At least, a very, very strong inspiration.
Remember, all pre-iPhone Android designs look like BlackBerries, but post-iPhone Androids looked like iPhones. And used all the same gestures found on the iPhone.
Remember, all pre-iPhone Android designs look like BlackBerries, but post-iPhone Androids looked like iPhones. And used all the same gestures found on the iPhone.
I agree but I'd add a touch of copying. Schmidt knew that Apple was onto something special. That the future path of smartphones was touch screens, and had he not readjusted what they were doing with Android they would've been dead in the water from day 1.
Apple doesn't have to give you anything and you don't have to buy from Apple. How's that hard to understand?
Yes in that you are correct, and I agree, but Apple isn't the only option. Being able to pick and choose defaults is one of the few advantages the competition has over iOS, and in many people's eyes a big one.
Nothing to add. I just want to quote this. Really show how ignorant philgar is.
What I find highly amusing is that after years of using (and loving) apple products, it is inconceivable to anyone on here that I'd want to leave their walled garden. I have not attacked anyone on here, I have just said that I wish apple gave me choices, and didn't cram their default applications down my throat. And yet, I'm getting attacked left and right on this forum (not just my beliefs about apple products, which you're welcome to attack, but personal attacks on me). The response is simply that I'm obviously a troll, there's no way I ever used apple products etc, and that I'm clearly an idiot.
People, look out at the real world, not everyone worships at the feet of apple. They're a company, just like every other one, and they're out there to make money. They make some great products, I won't deny that. Their products were leaps and bounds above the competition. I started on apple with an iBook, and love OSX. Back then macs were a great alternative for Linux geeks who were sick of trying to get laptops to work on linux. OSX gave me the command line, and gave me expose, which was an incredibly useful feature. The iBook was more expensive than the alternatives but not overly expensive. At the time, there weren't decent windows machines with good battery life that were significantly cheaper than the iBook. So I made the switch.
I loved the experience, I loved the options OSX gave me, and I bought an iPod because of it. A little over a year after getting my iBook, it died, and I bought a macbook on the day they were announced. I was no longer thrilled with apple thanks to having a computer that was worthless after a year and a half,but they were still the best option, and this time I bought applecare (which was necessary after 3 or 4 logic board failures, a HDD failure, DVD rom failure, screen failure, etc). Despite the hardware issues I had with my macbook, I loved the thing. I was considered a mac evangelist, and didn't want to consider using windows computers.
Before the iphone 4 came out, I had been using the same stupid phone for a while, and was ready to upgrade to a smart phone. I waited in line much longer than I care to admit on the day the iphone came out to buy one. I was one of those people.. And at the time, I considered the iphone to be vastly superior to the competition. The retina display was simply awesome, the camera took some nice photos, and the form factor was great, and it just worked. At the time, android's offerings were severely limited. Low resolution displays, crappy cameras, flimsy hardware keyboards, etc. It was a no brainer.
However, over the following few years, I watched as apple became more and more manipulative and, in my eyes greedy. Their demands to absolutely control the iOS store, basically forcing amazon books off it unless they gave apple a cut of each sale. The 50% apple tax was looking pretty excessive (and yes, 1/3 of the purchase price is equivalent to a 50% surcharge. The developer is selling an app for 66 cents, and apple gets 33 cents....), especially for apps that were bringing customers to apple rather than the other way around.
Since that time, apple has made more decisions that seemed money grubbing to me, and I slowly backed away on my love of them. Additionally, whereas in OSX once upon a time, apple had embraced the computer geeks, in the mobile space, the opposite seemed true. They frowned upon tinkering with your phone, and from the attitude of people on here, i got the impression that a phone I bought wasn't my phone, but rather apple's phone. Jailbreaking is wrong because apple says so, etc. Despite all this, when the ipad3 came out, I was still solidly in the apple camp, and had to have one. I knew it was a toy with no real use, but it had a nice retina display, and looked like a great way to browse the web (it still is). It was also leaps and bounds ahead of the android competitors at the time (had I waited 8 months or so, things would have been very different, and I doubt I'd have bought an ipad). Since then, apple's made more decisions to further lock down their OS. Additionally, their lawsuits, against everyone who wanted to use touch were highly annoying to me. I'm sick of the big guys picking on the little guys in tech. All it does is kill competition. As everyone here has rightfully pointed out, apple has made huge profits over the past few years. More than enough to justify the the R&D in the iphone/ipad 100x over. Wanting more money because the competitors were getting some crumbs seemed excessive to me. Apple had gone from the little guy fighting the big guys, the loveable loser you thought was worth fighting for to the Goliath who was bullying everyone else. Maybe it was all in my mind, but apple seemed to be doing all the things MS did back in the day that made me embrace linux and eventually OSX, so I decided it was time to leave.
When my iphone 4 died recently, I replaced it with a significantly cheaper samsung galaxy s3. It might not be quite as nice as the iphone 5, but it's close enough. Also, at $400 it was what.. half the price of the iphone, kind of a no brainer. My next computer (to replace my 5 year old or so macbook will not be apple (I still can't stand the changes made to expose in snow leopard).
But yes, my experience has no grounding in reality, and I'm sure it's not typical of the standard consumer (those who embraced apple, or rather ios in the past 3-4 years). The every day consumer don't give a shit about choice, or competition, or price or any of that. And they're going to be loyal to apple forever, buying new phones and tablets every 2 years, will gladly replace their 2 year old TV with $2000 iTVs when they're released. At least, thats the picture I get on here. Customers are notoriously fickle, and brand loyalty is relatively meaningless (just look at blackberry). Apple is the style of the week right now, and has been for 10 years or so. Once upon a time Sony was, many other companies have been. Times change, tastes change. If apple can't keep their core customers who have been with them for the past 10 years happy, how do you think they'll keep everyone else happy?
I wish things were different, and I wasn't being chased away from the apple ecosystem, but considering apple's actions, I feel I have little choice.
Remember, all pre-iPhone Android designs look like BlackBerries, but post-iPhone Androids looked like iPhones. And used all the same gestures found on the iPhone.
So? And "all" is a generous usage of the word. And all phones pre-iphone looked similar to BB/WinMo/Palm. So what?
Copy and "moving with the paradigm shift" are vastly different things.
Would it have been wise for Google to not put more focus into the touch aspects of their Android OS?
Also what gestures? Swiping and tapping to move? Multi touch didn't even enter the arena until over a year after Android's release.
I agree but I'd add a touch of copying. Schmidt knew that Apple was onto something special. That the future path of smartphones was touch screens, and had he not readjusted what they were doing with Android they would've been dead in the water from day 1.
You are distorting the history by hiding some facts. Google worked closely with Apple before iPhone launch. There are a team of Google engineers were given the iOS API by Apple.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
That's more the fault of the manufacturers and carriers than Google.
How? If Apple can do it, how is it not Google's fault when they want to be carrier's slave?
Just from looking at your screenshot I searched "Beaver Stadium, Curtin Rd" on Google maps and got nothing! I entered "E Park Ave, Bigler Rd" exactly as it appears in their own map graphic and again zilch "No results"! Entering the same text in Apple Maps brings me to the correct stadium and campus location both times.
The Google map inaccurately shows too large of a green section as "The Arboretum at Penn state" and doesn't properly identify Sunset View Park with a green section, as Apple Maps does. Google maps is far from infallible, far enough for Apple to be completely justified in wanting to replace them on their own devices.
Google updates their Nexus phones as they please. They didn't put Android on the other manufacturers phones in the first place so updating those phones is not Google's responsibility. Google isn't the slave the manufacturers are.
"Android II" isn't a copy. What are you smoking? Android was inspired by iOS. But a copy?
Let me guess;you believe Apple owns the idea of a full touch smartphone huh?
So when Jailbreakers are capable of hacking Android-like features into iOS does that mean Apple copied Android?
Not sure I understand your point
Originally Posted by excelsior
"Android II" isn't a copy. Android was inspired by iOS. But a copy?
What're you smoking?
Let me guess;you believe Apple owns the idea of a full touch smartphone huh?
Welp, that's today's worst guess so far.
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Originally Posted by Takeiteasy
If I get an email with an address and I touch it, it will take it to Apple maps. If I want to use Google maps instead, how can it be achieved? I get a http link in an email, if I touch it, it will take me to Safari. How to get that to Chrome? That is what setting default will do.
Hold down the text, cut, open alternative of your choice, paste.
Not an elegant solution.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
Not an elegant solution.
Well, you're not getting anything else.
At least, a very, very strong inspiration.
Remember, all pre-iPhone Android designs look like BlackBerries, but post-iPhone Androids looked like iPhones. And used all the same gestures found on the iPhone.
Wrong answer.
I agree but I'd add a touch of copying. Schmidt knew that Apple was onto something special. That the future path of smartphones was touch screens, and had he not readjusted what they were doing with Android they would've been dead in the water from day 1.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
Wrong answer.
Nope. It's the only answer.
Apple doesn't have to give you anything and you don't have to buy from Apple. How's that hard to understand?
Yes in that you are correct, and I agree, but Apple isn't the only option. Being able to pick and choose defaults is one of the few advantages the competition has over iOS, and in many people's eyes a big one.
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Originally Posted by matrix07
Nothing to add. I just want to quote this. Really show how ignorant philgar is.
What I find highly amusing is that after years of using (and loving) apple products, it is inconceivable to anyone on here that I'd want to leave their walled garden. I have not attacked anyone on here, I have just said that I wish apple gave me choices, and didn't cram their default applications down my throat. And yet, I'm getting attacked left and right on this forum (not just my beliefs about apple products, which you're welcome to attack, but personal attacks on me). The response is simply that I'm obviously a troll, there's no way I ever used apple products etc, and that I'm clearly an idiot.
People, look out at the real world, not everyone worships at the feet of apple. They're a company, just like every other one, and they're out there to make money. They make some great products, I won't deny that. Their products were leaps and bounds above the competition. I started on apple with an iBook, and love OSX. Back then macs were a great alternative for Linux geeks who were sick of trying to get laptops to work on linux. OSX gave me the command line, and gave me expose, which was an incredibly useful feature. The iBook was more expensive than the alternatives but not overly expensive. At the time, there weren't decent windows machines with good battery life that were significantly cheaper than the iBook. So I made the switch.
I loved the experience, I loved the options OSX gave me, and I bought an iPod because of it. A little over a year after getting my iBook, it died, and I bought a macbook on the day they were announced. I was no longer thrilled with apple thanks to having a computer that was worthless after a year and a half,but they were still the best option, and this time I bought applecare (which was necessary after 3 or 4 logic board failures, a HDD failure, DVD rom failure, screen failure, etc). Despite the hardware issues I had with my macbook, I loved the thing. I was considered a mac evangelist, and didn't want to consider using windows computers.
Before the iphone 4 came out, I had been using the same stupid phone for a while, and was ready to upgrade to a smart phone. I waited in line much longer than I care to admit on the day the iphone came out to buy one. I was one of those people.. And at the time, I considered the iphone to be vastly superior to the competition. The retina display was simply awesome, the camera took some nice photos, and the form factor was great, and it just worked. At the time, android's offerings were severely limited. Low resolution displays, crappy cameras, flimsy hardware keyboards, etc. It was a no brainer.
However, over the following few years, I watched as apple became more and more manipulative and, in my eyes greedy. Their demands to absolutely control the iOS store, basically forcing amazon books off it unless they gave apple a cut of each sale. The 50% apple tax was looking pretty excessive (and yes, 1/3 of the purchase price is equivalent to a 50% surcharge. The developer is selling an app for 66 cents, and apple gets 33 cents....), especially for apps that were bringing customers to apple rather than the other way around.
Since that time, apple has made more decisions that seemed money grubbing to me, and I slowly backed away on my love of them. Additionally, whereas in OSX once upon a time, apple had embraced the computer geeks, in the mobile space, the opposite seemed true. They frowned upon tinkering with your phone, and from the attitude of people on here, i got the impression that a phone I bought wasn't my phone, but rather apple's phone. Jailbreaking is wrong because apple says so, etc. Despite all this, when the ipad3 came out, I was still solidly in the apple camp, and had to have one. I knew it was a toy with no real use, but it had a nice retina display, and looked like a great way to browse the web (it still is). It was also leaps and bounds ahead of the android competitors at the time (had I waited 8 months or so, things would have been very different, and I doubt I'd have bought an ipad). Since then, apple's made more decisions to further lock down their OS. Additionally, their lawsuits, against everyone who wanted to use touch were highly annoying to me. I'm sick of the big guys picking on the little guys in tech. All it does is kill competition. As everyone here has rightfully pointed out, apple has made huge profits over the past few years. More than enough to justify the the R&D in the iphone/ipad 100x over. Wanting more money because the competitors were getting some crumbs seemed excessive to me. Apple had gone from the little guy fighting the big guys, the loveable loser you thought was worth fighting for to the Goliath who was bullying everyone else. Maybe it was all in my mind, but apple seemed to be doing all the things MS did back in the day that made me embrace linux and eventually OSX, so I decided it was time to leave.
When my iphone 4 died recently, I replaced it with a significantly cheaper samsung galaxy s3. It might not be quite as nice as the iphone 5, but it's close enough. Also, at $400 it was what.. half the price of the iphone, kind of a no brainer. My next computer (to replace my 5 year old or so macbook will not be apple (I still can't stand the changes made to expose in snow leopard).
But yes, my experience has no grounding in reality, and I'm sure it's not typical of the standard consumer (those who embraced apple, or rather ios in the past 3-4 years). The every day consumer don't give a shit about choice, or competition, or price or any of that. And they're going to be loyal to apple forever, buying new phones and tablets every 2 years, will gladly replace their 2 year old TV with $2000 iTVs when they're released. At least, thats the picture I get on here. Customers are notoriously fickle, and brand loyalty is relatively meaningless (just look at blackberry). Apple is the style of the week right now, and has been for 10 years or so. Once upon a time Sony was, many other companies have been. Times change, tastes change. If apple can't keep their core customers who have been with them for the past 10 years happy, how do you think they'll keep everyone else happy?
I wish things were different, and I wasn't being chased away from the apple ecosystem, but considering apple's actions, I feel I have little choice.
Phil
I swear I wasn't talking to you....
So? And "all" is a generous usage of the word. And all phones pre-iphone looked similar to BB/WinMo/Palm. So what?
Copy and "moving with the paradigm shift" are vastly different things.
Would it have been wise for Google to not put more focus into the touch aspects of their Android OS?
Also what gestures? Swiping and tapping to move? Multi touch didn't even enter the arena until over a year after Android's release.
Android is more gesture reliant than iOS anyways.
Originally Posted by excelsior
I swear I wasn't talking to you....
I'll save Solipsism the pain of having to say it again: Then don't post it on a public forum.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
I agree but I'd add a touch of copying. Schmidt knew that Apple was onto something special. That the future path of smartphones was touch screens, and had he not readjusted what they were doing with Android they would've been dead in the water from day 1.
You are distorting the history by hiding some facts. Google worked closely with Apple before iPhone launch. There are a team of Google engineers were given the iOS API by Apple.
Meaning my guess in no wave shape or form was directed towards you.