You are joking, right? (about the first paragraph). Have you ever heard of the deep concept of "mark to market"? For those of us who will occasionally need the liquidity, the money is gained the instant the security goes up, and lost the instant it goes down. I think those who were conscious in 2008 would have become enlightened on this point, at least as it pertains to the housing market.
Not joking at all. Sounds to me like that's what happens when people over-extend themselves and/or live hand-to-mouth. If one doesn't have spare money to invest---monies that won't be missed---then one shouldn't be investing in equities.....especially short-term.
Sweet. BMO out today saying S4 will outsell iPhone5 in calendar 13 and they won't even have it available for the full year. Epic, epic implosion. Cook needs to go and the new HQ damn well better be cancelled or altered. He and the board already look like epic failures.
This isn't hyperbole, he may go down as the worst CEO the world has ever seen. There are frauds, there are CEOs who make mistakes, but one who sits on billions of cash with no attempt to grow and just let's the competition take him to the woodshed and become more popular has got to be one of the worst leaders in financial history. Mind boggling arrogance.
I'm guessing tech recruiters seeing a lot of Apple resumes lately.
This isn't hyperbole, but you may go down as the worst forum commenter the world has ever seen.
But really... what makes you think you have any actual knowledge — based on FACTS, mind you — that they are doing nothing to grow/innovate/invest/etc? You do not know, despite whatever you say. Some might call such aggressive speculation mind boggling arrogance. They're playing the long game, and smart people who play the long game always beat short-term thinkers like yourself. Give them time to do their jobs.
To the woodshed indeed. They're really crying all the way to bankruptcy court, eh?
BMO is the BMO Harris Bank, or their employee who follows the mobile industry. I cannot speak for why it is sweet other that guessing that this might light a fire under Apple management's behinds, which the poster believes would be a good thing.
BMO Harris Bank? Remind me again why we should care what they predict?
This isn't hyperbole, but you may go down as the worst forum commenter the world has ever seen.
But really... what makes you think you have any actual knowledge — based on FACTS, mind you — that they are doing nothing to grow/innovate/invest/etc? You do not know, despite whatever you say. Some might call such aggressive speculation mind boggling arrogance. They're playing the long game, and smart people who play the long game always beat short-term thinkers like yourself. Give them time to do their jobs.
To the woodshed indeed. They're really crying all the way to bankruptcy court, eh?
Have to agree with your first sentence there, and the rest of it too.
When your argument is that Apple would be better off putting their employees in garages and doublewides it's hard to find a common ground rooted in sanity in which to start a civil discourse.
Civil discourse is impossible when they are doing this relay gangbanging like this. I stay away from other sites because of posters who are less obnoxious than these two. If they aren't banned I'm outta here. It's not worth getting depressed over.
Unreal. Just unreal. I don't even know what to say anymore. Just mind-blowing how a blip of a rumor makes Apple sock plummet. Why the **** does this not happen to any other company?
Because nobody cares what Microsoft is doing any more.
None of that matters to these people. Even when Steve was alive they made sweeping predictions that Apple's reign is over and that they would crumble. This is what they do. Actual data means nothing to them, only what they presume to be coming future… so long as it's negative against Apple.
Companies like Apple, Microsoft and Google never crumble they are simply worth too much, Microsoft being a very good example. Microsoft hasn't done anything positive in the last decade and they are still around. Is the perception that Apple has hit it's peak? How much further can iOS devices grow? Can they really take over the mobile market for good?
I guess my next question when it comes to Apple is who is pullout out of AAPL? While the market is at an all time high I would still argue that the average consumer is not doing all that well. Families with 401k investments certainly aren't causing this drop. I am fairly good at investing but honestly I can't figure this one out. A 300 point drop from the 52 week high, I am certain I have never seen something like this before.
This isn't hyperbole, but you may go down as the worst forum commenter the world has ever seen.
But really... what makes you think you have any actual knowledge — based on FACTS, mind you — that they are doing nothing to grow/innovate/invest/etc? You do not know, despite whatever you say. Some might call such aggressive speculation mind boggling arrogance. They're playing the long game, and smart people who play the long game always beat short-term thinkers like yourself. Give them time to do their jobs.
To the woodshed indeed. They're really crying all the way to bankruptcy court, eh?
What makes you think they are doing anything based on FACTS?
I can look at the cash on the balance sheet, listen to Tim Cook declare earnings will shrink and make an educated inference that they fell asleep at the wheel. What can you point to to declare they are properly investing to grow a company of this size?
I'm a big boy. Nobody forced me to invest in Apple, but this is a free country and as a partial owner I have every right to speak my mind about what I see. History is just that. The value of Apple has gone down since Cook took over. What has he done to show that will change? Ok, I'm the worst Internet poster ever, fine. At least I didn't destroy 300 billion of value sleeping at the wheel.
What does bankruptcy have to do with anything? Nobody said or implied the company is in financial duress, it is just simply shrinking despite the fact they have all the money in the world to grow internally or externally. I highly doubt einhorn publicly compared Apple to his depression era grandmother without serious conversations with management first. The takeaway is they are scared to spend, scared to try new things as that isn't the Apple DNA. It worked in the past when they had little competition. The world had changed. Tim Cook doesn't seem to recognize.
Mock BMO all you want. I only see the summary on Barron's but story actually seems to imply Samsung will outsell Apple for high end units across all phones. Who would have thought that would even be said a year ago? Tim has failed as a leader. Said it before and will say it again, no CEO has ever destroyed this much value in a bull market. Has never happened before. Not once. He will go down in infamy.
Said it before and will say it again, no CEO has ever destroyed this much value in a bull market. Has never happened before. Not once. He will go down in infamy.
Have to agree with your first sentence there, and the rest of it too.
Civil discourse is impossible when they are doing this relay gangbanging like this. I stay away from other sites because of posters who are less obnoxious than these two. If they aren't banned I'm outta here. It's not worth getting depressed over.
I might post on a few threads a week on the hundreds a week on this site. So because a couple percent of threads have something you don't like and aren't filled with apple cheerleaders you are anonymously threatening to not visit? Would you like some whine with that cheese?
Civil discourse is impossible when they are doing this relay gangbanging like this. I stay away from other sites because of posters who are less obnoxious than these two. If they aren't banned I'm outta here. It's not worth getting depressed over.
Agreed. Hell hath no fury like a couple of investment fools and their parted $$$.
He's been at it for close to 14 hours, 34 or so posts.
Very generous with his time, in between steering his massive investment business.
Read my post on volatility trading around earnings on this thread. You won't understand it, but if you think a non-sophisticated investor could even remotely offer up a trade like that you are kidding yourself. Yep, I got my MBA and CFA (many yrs ago) just to post on Internet forums. Go ahead, explain what I'm talking about as a gave out a free market neutral idea to express a view on whether market was right or wrong about Apple in the near-term. You wont be able to google it to find an answer. Honestly, just block me if you don't want to read my posts.
What makes you think they are doing anything based on FACTS?
I can look at the cash on the balance sheet, listen to Tim Cook declare earnings will shrink and make an educated inference that they fell asleep at the wheel. What can you point to to declare they are properly investing to grow a company of this size?
I'm a big boy. Nobody forced me to invest in Apple, but this is a free country and as a partial owner I have every right to speak my mind about what I see. History is just that. The value of Apple has gone down since Cook took over. What has he done to show that will change? Ok, I'm the worst Internet poster ever, fine. At least I didn't destroy 300 billion of value sleeping at the wheel.
What does bankruptcy have to do with anything? Nobody said or implied the company is in financial duress, it is just simply shrinking despite the fact they have all the money in the world to grow internally or externally. I highly doubt einhorn publicly compared Apple to his depression era grandmother without serious conversations with management first. The takeaway is they are scared to spend, scared to try new things as that isn't the Apple DNA. It worked in the past when they had little competition. The world had changed. Tim Cook doesn't seem to recognize.
Mock BMO all you want. I only see the summary on Barron's but story actually seems to imply Samsung will outsell Apple for high end units across all phones. Who would have thought that would even be said a year ago? Tim has failed as a leader. Said it before and will say it again, no CEO has ever destroyed this much value in a bull market. Has never happened before. Not once. He will go down in infamy.
Never mind the fact that Cook "created" all that value before "destroying" it. It went way up before going down. You can't look at it one way and not the other. Or I guess you CAN, but you shouldn't lest you get called out for misrepresenting the facts.
Sleeping at the wheel doesn't really sound like Apple to me, and certainly not Cook who played a not so minor part in building Apple into the monster it is today. You realize he's been there a while, right? It's not like they tapped some guy on the shoulder and woke him from his nap to run the thing, and he promptly nodded back off. People saying he's not providing leadership are ... wait for it... not people who he is in charge of leading.
Facts are they're building out massive data centers, subsidizing manufacturing partners and suppliers, building a huge awesome HQ, and spending plenty on R&D, of which exactly we purposefully are not made aware of. For all we know, Apple has a thousand subterranean drones pulling optical cable networks across North America in order to jump up and declare victory over Google Fiber and the cable companies before they ever get the chance. In fact, I'm going to insist that's the case, and I'd be about as right as you are. They don't talk about what they're working on for good reason. Hell, look what happened when Schmidt was on the board and saw iOS. I want them to stay quiet, and reveal the next "thing" whenever it's 100% perfect, whiners be damned, and not a minute sooner.
Honestly, just block me if you don't want to read my posts.
Only worthwhile thing you've said. Added to my block list along with all the other lawyers, engineers and "experts" touting their credentials as if it justifies the garbage they spew. Adios, fool.
They actually are pretty close to making the new HQ out of platinum, check out the story on this very site. "Every piece of glass is curved", as St Steve himself boasted. $5BN (or $3BN if they succeed in their cost-cutting) for a BUILDING. Yowza.
Yeah, how dare Apple push the envelope of whats possible for their new HQ that will house one of the most successful companies on the planet for the forseeable future. They can afford it. So what? I think they've earned the right to design a HQ however they damn well please. It will not doubt be an engineering and architectural marvel, and will inspire many. Whats wrong with that? How many other companies on the planet could pull off something like that? I never heard a single word of bitching about this HQ when it was revealed, and when Sj was alive. Suddenly now that Tim Cook is in charge, out comes the shrieking that it's too indulgent and that Apple needs to scrap it or severely cut back on the original plan. Why? Microsoft bought skype for $12B which will does not even guarantee it any increased revenue of real significance. God forbid Apple spend $3-$5B on their new home when they pulled in $13B+ of profits just last quarter. What exactly is Apple allowed to spend money on, if they can't spend it on making the best positive environment in which they will conduct their future work? That sum is utterly insignificant in the big picture, they'll make multiples of it each quarter in profit.
You can always tell who the trolls are, the ones that have a negative reaction to pretty much every single thing Apple does, never happy for them, always hoping for failure, and always mocking positive news and gloating at any perceived negative news.
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Originally Posted by igriv
You are joking, right? (about the first paragraph). Have you ever heard of the deep concept of "mark to market"? For those of us who will occasionally need the liquidity, the money is gained the instant the security goes up, and lost the instant it goes down. I think those who were conscious in 2008 would have become enlightened on this point, at least as it pertains to the housing market.
Not joking at all. Sounds to me like that's what happens when people over-extend themselves and/or live hand-to-mouth. If one doesn't have spare money to invest---monies that won't be missed---then one shouldn't be investing in equities.....especially short-term.
GO LONG, BABY!!!
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Originally Posted by jdnc123
Sweet. BMO out today saying S4 will outsell iPhone5 in calendar 13 and they won't even have it available for the full year. Epic, epic implosion. Cook needs to go and the new HQ damn well better be cancelled or altered. He and the board already look like epic failures.
This isn't hyperbole, he may go down as the worst CEO the world has ever seen. There are frauds, there are CEOs who make mistakes, but one who sits on billions of cash with no attempt to grow and just let's the competition take him to the woodshed and become more popular has got to be one of the worst leaders in financial history. Mind boggling arrogance.
I'm guessing tech recruiters seeing a lot of Apple resumes lately.
This isn't hyperbole, but you may go down as the worst forum commenter the world has ever seen.
But really... what makes you think you have any actual knowledge — based on FACTS, mind you — that they are doing nothing to grow/innovate/invest/etc? You do not know, despite whatever you say. Some might call such aggressive speculation mind boggling arrogance. They're playing the long game, and smart people who play the long game always beat short-term thinkers like yourself. Give them time to do their jobs.
To the woodshed indeed. They're really crying all the way to bankruptcy court, eh?
Sweet was sarcasm.
Have to agree with your first sentence there, and the rest of it too.
Civil discourse is impossible when they are doing this relay gangbanging like this. I stay away from other sites because of posters who are less obnoxious than these two. If they aren't banned I'm outta here. It's not worth getting depressed over.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
Unreal. Just unreal. I don't even know what to say anymore. Just mind-blowing how a blip of a rumor makes Apple sock plummet. Why the **** does this not happen to any other company?
Because nobody cares what Microsoft is doing any more.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
None of that matters to these people. Even when Steve was alive they made sweeping predictions that Apple's reign is over and that they would crumble. This is what they do. Actual data means nothing to them, only what they presume to be coming future… so long as it's negative against Apple.
Companies like Apple, Microsoft and Google never crumble they are simply worth too much, Microsoft being a very good example. Microsoft hasn't done anything positive in the last decade and they are still around. Is the perception that Apple has hit it's peak? How much further can iOS devices grow? Can they really take over the mobile market for good?
I guess my next question when it comes to Apple is who is pullout out of AAPL? While the market is at an all time high I would still argue that the average consumer is not doing all that well. Families with 401k investments certainly aren't causing this drop. I am fairly good at investing but honestly I can't figure this one out. A 300 point drop from the 52 week high, I am certain I have never seen something like this before.
It takes a jerk to know one, I am guessing.
What makes you think they are doing anything based on FACTS?
I can look at the cash on the balance sheet, listen to Tim Cook declare earnings will shrink and make an educated inference that they fell asleep at the wheel. What can you point to to declare they are properly investing to grow a company of this size?
I'm a big boy. Nobody forced me to invest in Apple, but this is a free country and as a partial owner I have every right to speak my mind about what I see. History is just that. The value of Apple has gone down since Cook took over. What has he done to show that will change? Ok, I'm the worst Internet poster ever, fine. At least I didn't destroy 300 billion of value sleeping at the wheel.
What does bankruptcy have to do with anything? Nobody said or implied the company is in financial duress, it is just simply shrinking despite the fact they have all the money in the world to grow internally or externally. I highly doubt einhorn publicly compared Apple to his depression era grandmother without serious conversations with management first. The takeaway is they are scared to spend, scared to try new things as that isn't the Apple DNA. It worked in the past when they had little competition. The world had changed. Tim Cook doesn't seem to recognize.
Mock BMO all you want. I only see the summary on Barron's but story actually seems to imply Samsung will outsell Apple for high end units across all phones. Who would have thought that would even be said a year ago? Tim has failed as a leader. Said it before and will say it again, no CEO has ever destroyed this much value in a bull market. Has never happened before. Not once. He will go down in infamy.
Originally Posted by jdnc123
Said it before and will say it again, no CEO has ever destroyed this much value in a bull market. Has never happened before. Not once. He will go down in infamy.
Could you maybe say it somewhere the people care?
I might post on a few threads a week on the hundreds a week on this site. So because a couple percent of threads have something you don't like and aren't filled with apple cheerleaders you are anonymously threatening to not visit? Would you like some whine with that cheese?
Yawn. So nobody here cares about facts. They just want to hear stories about unicorns and gold pots at the end of rainbows?
Agreed. Hell hath no fury like a couple of investment fools and their parted $$$.
Originally Posted by jdnc123
So nobody here cares about facts.
"Believe whatever you want to believe."
His score so far today:
He's been at it for close to 14 hours, 34 or so posts.
Very generous with his time, in between steering his massive investment business.
Read my post on volatility trading around earnings on this thread. You won't understand it, but if you think a non-sophisticated investor could even remotely offer up a trade like that you are kidding yourself. Yep, I got my MBA and CFA (many yrs ago) just to post on Internet forums. Go ahead, explain what I'm talking about as a gave out a free market neutral idea to express a view on whether market was right or wrong about Apple in the near-term. You wont be able to google it to find an answer. Honestly, just block me if you don't want to read my posts.
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Originally Posted by jdnc123
What makes you think they are doing anything based on FACTS?
I can look at the cash on the balance sheet, listen to Tim Cook declare earnings will shrink and make an educated inference that they fell asleep at the wheel. What can you point to to declare they are properly investing to grow a company of this size?
I'm a big boy. Nobody forced me to invest in Apple, but this is a free country and as a partial owner I have every right to speak my mind about what I see. History is just that. The value of Apple has gone down since Cook took over. What has he done to show that will change? Ok, I'm the worst Internet poster ever, fine. At least I didn't destroy 300 billion of value sleeping at the wheel.
What does bankruptcy have to do with anything? Nobody said or implied the company is in financial duress, it is just simply shrinking despite the fact they have all the money in the world to grow internally or externally. I highly doubt einhorn publicly compared Apple to his depression era grandmother without serious conversations with management first. The takeaway is they are scared to spend, scared to try new things as that isn't the Apple DNA. It worked in the past when they had little competition. The world had changed. Tim Cook doesn't seem to recognize.
Mock BMO all you want. I only see the summary on Barron's but story actually seems to imply Samsung will outsell Apple for high end units across all phones. Who would have thought that would even be said a year ago? Tim has failed as a leader. Said it before and will say it again, no CEO has ever destroyed this much value in a bull market. Has never happened before. Not once. He will go down in infamy.
Never mind the fact that Cook "created" all that value before "destroying" it. It went way up before going down. You can't look at it one way and not the other. Or I guess you CAN, but you shouldn't lest you get called out for misrepresenting the facts.
Sleeping at the wheel doesn't really sound like Apple to me, and certainly not Cook who played a not so minor part in building Apple into the monster it is today. You realize he's been there a while, right? It's not like they tapped some guy on the shoulder and woke him from his nap to run the thing, and he promptly nodded back off. People saying he's not providing leadership are ... wait for it... not people who he is in charge of leading.
Facts are they're building out massive data centers, subsidizing manufacturing partners and suppliers, building a huge awesome HQ, and spending plenty on R&D, of which exactly we purposefully are not made aware of. For all we know, Apple has a thousand subterranean drones pulling optical cable networks across North America in order to jump up and declare victory over Google Fiber and the cable companies before they ever get the chance. In fact, I'm going to insist that's the case, and I'd be about as right as you are. They don't talk about what they're working on for good reason. Hell, look what happened when Schmidt was on the board and saw iOS. I want them to stay quiet, and reveal the next "thing" whenever it's 100% perfect, whiners be damned, and not a minute sooner.
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Originally Posted by igriv
They actually are pretty close to making the new HQ out of platinum, check out the story on this very site. "Every piece of glass is curved", as St Steve himself boasted. $5BN (or $3BN if they succeed in their cost-cutting) for a BUILDING. Yowza.
Yeah, how dare Apple push the envelope of whats possible for their new HQ that will house one of the most successful companies on the planet for the forseeable future. They can afford it. So what? I think they've earned the right to design a HQ however they damn well please. It will not doubt be an engineering and architectural marvel, and will inspire many. Whats wrong with that? How many other companies on the planet could pull off something like that? I never heard a single word of bitching about this HQ when it was revealed, and when Sj was alive. Suddenly now that Tim Cook is in charge, out comes the shrieking that it's too indulgent and that Apple needs to scrap it or severely cut back on the original plan. Why? Microsoft bought skype for $12B which will does not even guarantee it any increased revenue of real significance. God forbid Apple spend $3-$5B on their new home when they pulled in $13B+ of profits just last quarter. What exactly is Apple allowed to spend money on, if they can't spend it on making the best positive environment in which they will conduct their future work? That sum is utterly insignificant in the big picture, they'll make multiples of it each quarter in profit.
You can always tell who the trolls are, the ones that have a negative reaction to pretty much every single thing Apple does, never happy for them, always hoping for failure, and always mocking positive news and gloating at any perceived negative news.