It's become reality that Tim Cook and Apple have completely lost touch with the market and what consumers want. This idea that a 5" display cannot be created with high specs and standards is insane, several devices currently have 4.7-5"+ displays that have even better specs and quality than the iPhone.
I've owned Apple since the 3G and currently use the 4s. Apple holds itself to a high standard, so much so that they air a sense superiority over everything they do. So much so that it's self limiting in terms of innovation. Let's face it, Apple has lagged behind in that department big time in the last year or so. For 3, 4, 5 years they were the leader in innovating and bringing top of the line products to market. Now they've fallen hard and this is born out by the ridiculous losses the company has been simmering over. Since September 2012 their stock has fallen from $700+/share to $406/share today equating to a $290 BILLION loss in market volume. The industry has passed them, while there might be a bazillion android/other smartphones available and maybe only 0.1% of them are worth a look, that's still more, better options that are available than today's iPhone. More frustrating is that Apple is sitting on $150 BILLION in cash and not investing in tech innovation. Their investors and the market is losing faith in the company, Tim Cook has lost touch and with so many other options it's easy to see Apple losing the death grip they've had on the industry for 5 years.
I've had my time with Apple and I'm moving on, there are just too many better phones with better displays and companies making them who are willing to continue to innovate. Apple can sit on it's high pedestal preaching about how it doesn't want to put sub-par products with large screens on the market, but the truth is that they are just full of themselves. Those options already exist with great screens and none of the lower quality specs that Apple seems to think are reasons they refuse to innovate.
Someone invents and then hypes a rationale for the imaginary and utterly ridiculous supposition that "Apple REFUSES to innovate"… and they expect to be taken seriously here?
Bwaaa ha ha ha...
Funnier still is that Korean cultural nuance you bring to your writing style…. Samsung much?
I guess, you were hibernating when those tiny scratches and imperfections on the iPhone 5 casing caused a huge uproar. Or, lengthy discussions on the screen color hues of iPhone 3 and 4.....
I am among those who cares about the color fidelity and I gladly pay premium for NOT being trapped into looking at a garbage screen for two years. Obviously, the phone is not for you and you'd rather enjoy owning a scratched plastic crap with a milky window-glass for a screen but don't ask Ferrari why they don't make Fiats.
No, I remember those discussions.
Samsung Galaxy screen is certainly not "garbage". You might not understand it, like it, support it, or even believe it, but some actually do prefer the more vivid colors of the AMOLED screen. It is this concept of "different tastes" that Apple with its one-size-fits-all philosophy does not understand anymore.
So, you imagine Apple is "struggling"…? I don't see them struggling at all. Rather, I see them moving along at their own pace, developing killer devices for the next gen…
If, and I think it's a stretch, they decide to release a larger screen 'phablet', it will be uniquely Apple regardless. Just as the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, iMacs and almost everything else they produce is unique to their style and quality… If anything I think it'll be more like an iPad "Nano"… a 6" screen, perhaps with new 'telephony' capabilities supported (like 'facetime'), if not cellular phone capability alongside.
I've seen the larger screens on the current crop of phablet phones. They are NOT the same quality as Apple displays. Whatever you say, the higher quality screens cost more and draw more battery. You can't do a 'cheaper' Samsung "phablet" type phone at Samsung prices without cutting corners on quality... display included.
Look at an iPhone and any Galaxy phone side by side. Compare color, saturation, pixel density, etc… ALSO compare refresh rates and rendering smoothness (how well it holds up during scrolling for example). If you're honest, there will be no dispute that the iPhone display is top flight.
I think what Cook is saying is that they won't compromise the quality or the experience to release a bigger, cheaper phone. I'm glad for them holding that line.
I compared the refresh rates and "rendering smoothness" between my iPhone 5 and my mother's Galaxy S3 many times. The truth, which you might neither like nor believe, is that both are excellent and appear to be the same.
Like I said, for now I am stuck with Apple due their clever lock-in strategy, but I sure wish they would come down from their high horse and start listening to their loyal customers again!
I use my iPad for school/work. Stylus has become a huge issue for me. I have not seen a good stylus that has reviews any better than "its not bad."
I have not messed with a Note 10.1 yet, but if the pen is great, it would be very tempting to switch and just remain Apple as far as iPhone & Macbook.
Yeah, right... "mess with" a note 10.1, then come back and speak to it...
Why has a stylus become a 'huge issue' for you with your school work? It isn't for me in any capacity. I have a stylus for iPad, but rarely use it. Not because it's 'so-so' but because I just… don't… need it where I thought I might.
I do use a bluetooth Apple keyboard alongside the iPad for extended typing sessions (Pages or Numbers mostly). It's great to be able to cursor around documents in iWork, and select text using key commands, etc…
Curious, which app do you think you need a stylus for on your iPad?
Apple's iPhone grew by measly 6.5%. Pathetic Time to sell my AAPL shares and take a loss… things are not gonna improve anytime soon with Cook at the helm.
Tim Cook is full of shit. There are plenty of high quality displays larger than 4", many on Apple products. As for battery life, make the phone bigger and a little thicker and increase the battery.
As for those who are digital.....ly challenged, like TS, keep the 5 form factor too.
Bottom line is this is about making phones to satisfy multiple target audiences. Apple gets this with the desktop, with the laptop and even with the iPad. Why it's so hard to grasp OPTIONS for the iPhone is puzzling to say the least. Cook can babble on about displays, quality etc but bottom line is they could make an Apple quality 4.5 or 4.6" phone and sell them like hotcakes.
Mmk… "sell like hotcakes" in the same way Samsung is selling theirs like hotcakes? Because the oversized 'phablet' phones sold by Samsung represent a very tiny percentage of their overall handset sales, not to mention their overall revenue and profits… fractional at best.
What 'huge opportunity" is Apple really missing here? Not…very…much today. Perhaps we'll see later in the year. I'm still guessing a 6" iPad Nano that will double as a 'phablet' for those who want it...
We'll see what other accessories or peripherals Apple plans on rolling out in support too. Like... A Dick Tracy watch that you can speak into?? Oooooh!
No. Not really "sub par", but then neither are the prices. And HTC is rocketing toward bankruptcy. They just aren't selling enough of even their best phablet, the One.
I actually like the HTC One. Let me qualify that… I like how it LOOKS… not sure about the battery life, the weight, the 'heft'… definitely not a fan of Android or their "marketplace"...
Still, I hope HTC can hang on. They have potential.
To say that Apple COULD make a phone like the One and it'd turn the market on its head might be true… one day… maybe… once Apple can satisfy ALL of Apple's very high watermark criteria first (and I'll tell you this, WE who buy into Apple in part because of that high standard hope they NEVER waver on this point)… Once Apple decides they've removed enough "trade-offs" to produce a larger screen device (larger than the iPhone, smaller than the iPad Mini) what they produce will indeed be a market killer.
For whatever reason, Apple feels it isn't "time" yet…
A stock buy back, especially of that magnitude, only further proves the point that Apple is on the defensive and trying to boost failing market capitalization. Instead of investing their large sums of cash into new technology that could help inflate stock prices through tech innovation, they are having to buy stock off the market to inflate prices. There have been several articles on this, here's one detailing what the circumstances surrounding Apple were back when the stock began to tumble:
Many analysts and users would disagree with you that Apple has "never stopped being" the industry leader. I've seen TONS of articles over the last several months, like this one:
constantly talking about how Apple has stagnated and allowed companies like Samsung to catch up and even surpass them. You might want to believe, personally, that Apple is still commanding the market, but you would be foolish to think they haven't lost a substantial amount of grip they had on it.
And how does a nearly $300 Billion loss have anything to do with quality of products? Really? The market is losing faith in Apple, analysts and traders are selling on the company, and the reaction you are seeing via falling stock prices is a result of poor reception to Apple's technology strategy. Do you honestly think that if Apple was still producing the best, highest quality, and market leading technology that their stock would fall 42% in 7 months?
Thanks for the classy post, something I'd expect from a forum moderator. You really promote a sense of open discussion and thought around these parts. Or would you rather have me bury my face in my iPhone, get back in line and quit thinking about what this company that I've bought into for almost 4 years can and should do better? It's ok, Apple will keep plodding along, artificially boosting itself by spending its own money on buying back stock instead of going back to the drawing board and figuring out what made it so damn successful for 5 years that no company could touch it.
Oh, that's just TS… he doesn't cater to BS posts much...
You've made a ton of false narrative-based declarations in the few posts you've made here. Mostly, you've convinced me pretty handily that you work for Samsung, or one of their 'partners'…
You make much of Apple's "lack of innovation", which always seems to be the meme in between Apple product cycles. Yay, you think, we have a few 'free months' of 'undermining Apple's innovator creds' before they launch another market-dominating beast our way...
Except, I thought the iPad Mini was a natural step in the product evolution… the Retina Display iPad was a huge LEAP… sorry, but you don't get to say that the retina iPad isn't "innovating". What it takes to make that, keep the battery life, the smooth graphics, and so on… something they managed to do, with only a SLIGHT tradeoff in weight and thickness...
Samsung can only dream of that kind of innovation and build-quality. The same, if their CEO's recent ruminations about "product quality" are to be believed, is true of the iPhone 4S & 5.
You also make much of the stock "tumbling", while ignoring all the other measures that said, clearly, that the stock price was in every way at odds with the company's performance, both in sales, product mix and revenues/profits.
YET ANOTHER quarter of Record Revenues… that alone should silence you.
Never mind the stock price.
Never mind the dip in "margin".
Never mind what YOU think is best.
Apple is still breaking records every…single… quarter.
That's all that matters. That, and the fact that their products are among the strongest in the market. Period.
You can't argue that. The consumer market agrees. Why are you wasting our bandwidth with this paid-PR hooey?
Samsung Galaxy screen is certainly not "garbage". You might not understand it, like it, support it, or even believe it, but some actually do prefer the more vivid colors of the AMOLED screen. It is this concept of "different tastes" that Apple with its one-size-fits-all philosophy does not understand anymore.
Sure, I remember "day glo paints" too…. bright and vivid colors!
Inaccurate, couldn't render a real tree with 'em, but hey, they made great black light posters...
But seriously. A "vivid" screen that is rendering colors way off kilter is like applying color filters to everything you look at. I'll take a *slightly* less 'vivid' screen for a color-accurate one any day…
But, that's just me. To each their own I guess. Oh, and when I send you a photo of me, my nose is NOT that red!!! (I look like Rudolph on a friend's Galaxy screen… it was… sobering).
Oh, and it isn't AT ALL about "Apple with its one-size-fits-all" philosophy either. That's a false meme. That's like saying Samsung using cheaper AMOLED screens makes them more "open to customizing the color balance experience for every user"… psh! It doesn't. That's just quality randomness due to variances in the display production or something…
Apple is about accuracy when it comes to color. OK, and…? OK so they maintain high quality color-accurate displays on their devices. Why would you disparage that at all? I detect a hint of envy maybe… the rest is sour grapes, in my view.
Quadra, hit him with your JD Power & Associates copy/paste post, if you please.
Maybe you can tell me what the market cap has to do with products first. Is Apple in the stocks business? Do they create stocks and sell them to other companies?
Yes. Because they are. As all surveys and accolades show.
Why do you think the stock price has anything to do with anything? Does Amazon produce the "best, highest quality market leading products" because their stock was rising to ludicrous levels? Remember their P/E before they posted a quarterly loss?
I got to 'analysts', myself. That's usually the killer.
I stopped a few posts back when he started listing his 'Apple products'
I don't know if I agree with that, but I would say they seem to be catering to a demographic with much different priorities than mine.
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Do they really believe a significant number of their iPhone customers care about color-accuracy and gamut on a disposable device most of us keep for two years? Same goes for the much heralded aluminium case. Who cares? This is not a precious watch one keeps for ten years, it's a electronic gadget which is outdated in two years or less...
There are those just on this list who care very passionately about that "precious watch" build. I don't get it either, since they just cover the thing up with a case and replace it every couple of years, but they exist.
One can point to Apple's sales figures and say it's hard to argue with success, but we don't really know whether or not things like the aluminum case or "Retina" display really matter to most buyers because they only have one choice if they want the best performance and most current features. The only way to know for sure would be to have two offerings that are identical except for the top-of-the-line screen and fancy chassis. Since that's not likely to happen, and I doubt the cost savings would be all that great anyway, it's a moot point.
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Originally Posted by AppleWill
I still love my iPhone 5, but if it were not for being locked into Apple's "ecosystem", I'd seriously consider getting a Galaxy S4 for its large screen... so sad.
And that's the problem. Save for a few pet gripes like we all have, I mostly like Apple's operating systems, and am encouraged by their attempts at integrating home entertainment and consumer computing (even if, at this point, they do it about the same way a toddler runs a race). As often as not though, their hardware leaves me scratching my head wondering who the hell they're building these things for, and gasping with sticker shock at the cost of it. On the computer side I guess I could always look into Hackintoshing, but what does one do for a phoneputer?
The LCD screens in the 'jumbo' HTC phones of today pumping out 1920x1080 at a true 440+ ppi (the One is an insane 468ppi) made in part by the same suppliers as the iPhone screens essentially negates his entire point. Unless he's talking form factor, battery life, or some other screen related piece that's not the screen itself, I'm at a loss. The actual LCD tech is there, today. Samsung's AMOLED panels are still pure saturated trash.
Companies like HTC and Samsung came out with LTE phones about a year before Apple. People were hollering at Apple that it was falling behind the times. Yet, those phones had to use two chips to get LTE to work. The battery life was horrendous. Apple waited until the LTE chip technology improved and it could provide the same battery life as the previous phone. I do not know about the HTC One because it is not out yet, however, Apple also has to be able to get enough supplies to produce what ever device it manufacturers in a large quantity.
I write Tim Cook regularly asking for a larger iPhone. I think Apple can support three sizes when it works out the technology.
It's become reality that Tim Cook and Apple have completely lost touch with the market and what consumers want. This idea that a 5" display cannot be created with high specs and standards is insane, several devices currently have 4.7-5"+ displays that have even better specs and quality than the iPhone.
I'd love to know what phones you are talking about. Please don't list any Samsung products. Sure the screens look pretty good, and they are bigger if that is your thing, but when you pick the phone up it feels cheap. The build quality of the iPhone is phenomenal. My family still has an original four year old 3GS in use. Most Samsung products are cheaply made. If I couldn't use an iPhone, I'd have to go with Window on a Nokia handset. At least Nokia knows how to make a phone.
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Originally Posted by HeyDude
It's become reality that Tim Cook and Apple have completely lost touch with the market and what consumers want. This idea that a 5" display cannot be created with high specs and standards is insane, several devices currently have 4.7-5"+ displays that have even better specs and quality than the iPhone.
I've owned Apple since the 3G and currently use the 4s. Apple holds itself to a high standard, so much so that they air a sense superiority over everything they do. So much so that it's self limiting in terms of innovation. Let's face it, Apple has lagged behind in that department big time in the last year or so. For 3, 4, 5 years they were the leader in innovating and bringing top of the line products to market. Now they've fallen hard and this is born out by the ridiculous losses the company has been simmering over. Since September 2012 their stock has fallen from $700+/share to $406/share today equating to a $290 BILLION loss in market volume. The industry has passed them, while there might be a bazillion android/other smartphones available and maybe only 0.1% of them are worth a look, that's still more, better options that are available than today's iPhone. More frustrating is that Apple is sitting on $150 BILLION in cash and not investing in tech innovation. Their investors and the market is losing faith in the company, Tim Cook has lost touch and with so many other options it's easy to see Apple losing the death grip they've had on the industry for 5 years.
I've had my time with Apple and I'm moving on, there are just too many better phones with better displays and companies making them who are willing to continue to innovate. Apple can sit on it's high pedestal preaching about how it doesn't want to put sub-par products with large screens on the market, but the truth is that they are just full of themselves. Those options already exist with great screens and none of the lower quality specs that Apple seems to think are reasons they refuse to innovate.
Someone invents and then hypes a rationale for the imaginary and utterly ridiculous supposition that "Apple REFUSES to innovate"… and they expect to be taken seriously here?
Bwaaa ha ha ha...
Funnier still is that Korean cultural nuance you bring to your writing style…. Samsung much?
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Originally Posted by Plagen
I guess, you were hibernating when those tiny scratches and imperfections on the iPhone 5 casing caused a huge uproar. Or, lengthy discussions on the screen color hues of iPhone 3 and 4.....
I am among those who cares about the color fidelity and I gladly pay premium for NOT being trapped into looking at a garbage screen for two years. Obviously, the phone is not for you and you'd rather enjoy owning a scratched plastic crap with a milky window-glass for a screen but don't ask Ferrari why they don't make Fiats.
No, I remember those discussions.
Samsung Galaxy screen is certainly not "garbage". You might not understand it, like it, support it, or even believe it, but some actually do prefer the more vivid colors of the AMOLED screen. It is this concept of "different tastes" that Apple with its one-size-fits-all philosophy does not understand anymore.
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Originally Posted by tribalogical
So, you imagine Apple is "struggling"…? I don't see them struggling at all. Rather, I see them moving along at their own pace, developing killer devices for the next gen…
If, and I think it's a stretch, they decide to release a larger screen 'phablet', it will be uniquely Apple regardless. Just as the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, iMacs and almost everything else they produce is unique to their style and quality… If anything I think it'll be more like an iPad "Nano"… a 6" screen, perhaps with new 'telephony' capabilities supported (like 'facetime'), if not cellular phone capability alongside.
I've seen the larger screens on the current crop of phablet phones. They are NOT the same quality as Apple displays. Whatever you say, the higher quality screens cost more and draw more battery. You can't do a 'cheaper' Samsung "phablet" type phone at Samsung prices without cutting corners on quality... display included.
Look at an iPhone and any Galaxy phone side by side. Compare color, saturation, pixel density, etc… ALSO compare refresh rates and rendering smoothness (how well it holds up during scrolling for example). If you're honest, there will be no dispute that the iPhone display is top flight.
I think what Cook is saying is that they won't compromise the quality or the experience to release a bigger, cheaper phone. I'm glad for them holding that line.
I compared the refresh rates and "rendering smoothness" between my iPhone 5 and my mother's Galaxy S3 many times. The truth, which you might neither like nor believe, is that both are excellent and appear to be the same.
Like I said, for now I am stuck with Apple due their clever lock-in strategy, but I sure wish they would come down from their high horse and start listening to their loyal customers again!
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Originally Posted by Seankill
I use my iPad for school/work. Stylus has become a huge issue for me. I have not seen a good stylus that has reviews any better than "its not bad."
I have not messed with a Note 10.1 yet, but if the pen is great, it would be very tempting to switch and just remain Apple as far as iPhone & Macbook.
Yeah, right... "mess with" a note 10.1, then come back and speak to it...
Why has a stylus become a 'huge issue' for you with your school work? It isn't for me in any capacity. I have a stylus for iPad, but rarely use it. Not because it's 'so-so' but because I just… don't… need it where I thought I might.
I do use a bluetooth Apple keyboard alongside the iPad for extended typing sessions (Pages or Numbers mostly). It's great to be able to cursor around documents in iWork, and select text using key commands, etc…
Curious, which app do you think you need a stylus for on your iPad?
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Originally Posted by bighype
Apple's iPhone grew by measly 6.5%. Pathetic
your avatar name says it all…
I'll happily take those shares off your hands.
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Originally Posted by Captain J
Tim Cook is full of shit. There are plenty of high quality displays larger than 4", many on Apple products. As for battery life, make the phone bigger and a little thicker and increase the battery.
As for those who are digital.....ly challenged, like TS, keep the 5 form factor too.
Bottom line is this is about making phones to satisfy multiple target audiences. Apple gets this with the desktop, with the laptop and even with the iPad. Why it's so hard to grasp OPTIONS for the iPhone is puzzling to say the least. Cook can babble on about displays, quality etc but bottom line is they could make an Apple quality 4.5 or 4.6" phone and sell them like hotcakes.
Mmk… "sell like hotcakes" in the same way Samsung is selling theirs like hotcakes? Because the oversized 'phablet' phones sold by Samsung represent a very tiny percentage of their overall handset sales, not to mention their overall revenue and profits… fractional at best.
What 'huge opportunity" is Apple really missing here? Not…very…much today. Perhaps we'll see later in the year. I'm still guessing a 6" iPad Nano that will double as a 'phablet' for those who want it...
We'll see what other accessories or peripherals Apple plans on rolling out in support too. Like... A Dick Tracy watch that you can speak into?? Oooooh!
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Originally Posted by HeyDude
I've had my time with Apple and I'm moving on...
Just noticed this is only your 3rd post here...
Well then…. move along and have a nice day! Don't let the door kick you on the way out!
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Originally Posted by al_bundy
Profit margins
Quality wise the galaxy s3 is no match for the 5 and 4s. Neither is the galaxy note
Lots of people just don't care and apple is being dumb not catering to the market
spoken like a true Al Bundy…. derp!
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Originally Posted by mstone
... demeanor … demeanor...
Now you've done it…
The second one was just showing off and causing trouble though… admit it!
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
Can someone give me an example of a phone with a great 4.5+ screen that sells on the millions of units?
*crickets
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Really? The screens HTC uses are subpar?
No. Not really "sub par", but then neither are the prices. And HTC is rocketing toward bankruptcy. They just aren't selling enough of even their best phablet, the One.
I actually like the HTC One. Let me qualify that… I like how it LOOKS… not sure about the battery life, the weight, the 'heft'… definitely not a fan of Android or their "marketplace"...
Still, I hope HTC can hang on. They have potential.
To say that Apple COULD make a phone like the One and it'd turn the market on its head might be true… one day… maybe… once Apple can satisfy ALL of Apple's very high watermark criteria first (and I'll tell you this, WE who buy into Apple in part because of that high standard hope they NEVER waver on this point)… Once Apple decides they've removed enough "trade-offs" to produce a larger screen device (larger than the iPhone, smaller than the iPad Mini) what they produce will indeed be a market killer.
For whatever reason, Apple feels it isn't "time" yet…
I for one, will not argue. Carry on...
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Originally Posted by HeyDude
A stock buy back, especially of that magnitude, only further proves the point that Apple is on the defensive and trying to boost failing market capitalization. Instead of investing their large sums of cash into new technology that could help inflate stock prices through tech innovation, they are having to buy stock off the market to inflate prices. There have been several articles on this, here's one detailing what the circumstances surrounding Apple were back when the stock began to tumble:
http://www.economist.com/news/business/21570751-worlds-most-valuable-firm-may-be-past-its-prime-has-apple-peaked
Many analysts and users would disagree with you that Apple has "never stopped being" the industry leader. I've seen TONS of articles over the last several months, like this one:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnshaughnessy/2013/04/12/these-3-game-changers-define-the-apple-vs-samsung-battle/
constantly talking about how Apple has stagnated and allowed companies like Samsung to catch up and even surpass them. You might want to believe, personally, that Apple is still commanding the market, but you would be foolish to think they haven't lost a substantial amount of grip they had on it.
And how does a nearly $300 Billion loss have anything to do with quality of products? Really? The market is losing faith in Apple, analysts and traders are selling on the company, and the reaction you are seeing via falling stock prices is a result of poor reception to Apple's technology strategy. Do you honestly think that if Apple was still producing the best, highest quality, and market leading technology that their stock would fall 42% in 7 months?
Thanks for the classy post, something I'd expect from a forum moderator. You really promote a sense of open discussion and thought around these parts. Or would you rather have me bury my face in my iPhone, get back in line and quit thinking about what this company that I've bought into for almost 4 years can and should do better? It's ok, Apple will keep plodding along, artificially boosting itself by spending its own money on buying back stock instead of going back to the drawing board and figuring out what made it so damn successful for 5 years that no company could touch it.
Oh, that's just TS… he doesn't cater to BS posts much...
You've made a ton of false narrative-based declarations in the few posts you've made here. Mostly, you've convinced me pretty handily that you work for Samsung, or one of their 'partners'…
You make much of Apple's "lack of innovation", which always seems to be the meme in between Apple product cycles. Yay, you think, we have a few 'free months' of 'undermining Apple's innovator creds' before they launch another market-dominating beast our way...
Except, I thought the iPad Mini was a natural step in the product evolution… the Retina Display iPad was a huge LEAP… sorry, but you don't get to say that the retina iPad isn't "innovating". What it takes to make that, keep the battery life, the smooth graphics, and so on… something they managed to do, with only a SLIGHT tradeoff in weight and thickness...
Samsung can only dream of that kind of innovation and build-quality. The same, if their CEO's recent ruminations about "product quality" are to be believed, is true of the iPhone 4S & 5.
You also make much of the stock "tumbling", while ignoring all the other measures that said, clearly, that the stock price was in every way at odds with the company's performance, both in sales, product mix and revenues/profits.
YET ANOTHER quarter of Record Revenues… that alone should silence you.
Never mind the stock price.
Never mind the dip in "margin".
Never mind what YOU think is best.
Apple is still breaking records every…single… quarter.
That's all that matters. That, and the fact that their products are among the strongest in the market. Period.
You can't argue that. The consumer market agrees. Why are you wasting our bandwidth with this paid-PR hooey?
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Originally Posted by AppleWill
Indeed, Apple should make two or more models of iPhone, like all the other vendors do.
Hmmm… lemme see…...
iPhone 4 … check
iPhone 4S … check
iPhone 5 … check.
Hey! We're sorted!!
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Originally Posted by AppleWill
No, I remember those discussions.
Samsung Galaxy screen is certainly not "garbage". You might not understand it, like it, support it, or even believe it, but some actually do prefer the more vivid colors of the AMOLED screen. It is this concept of "different tastes" that Apple with its one-size-fits-all philosophy does not understand anymore.
Sure, I remember "day glo paints" too…. bright and vivid colors!
Inaccurate, couldn't render a real tree with 'em, but hey, they made great black light posters...
But seriously. A "vivid" screen that is rendering colors way off kilter is like applying color filters to everything you look at. I'll take a *slightly* less 'vivid' screen for a color-accurate one any day…
But, that's just me. To each their own I guess. Oh, and when I send you a photo of me, my nose is NOT that red!!! (I look like Rudolph on a friend's Galaxy screen… it was… sobering).
Oh, and it isn't AT ALL about "Apple with its one-size-fits-all" philosophy either. That's a false meme. That's like saying Samsung using cheaper AMOLED screens makes them more "open to customizing the color balance experience for every user"… psh! It doesn't. That's just quality randomness due to variances in the display production or something…
Apple is about accuracy when it comes to color. OK, and…? OK so they maintain high quality color-accurate displays on their devices. Why would you disparage that at all? I detect a hint of envy maybe… the rest is sour grapes, in my view.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Who gives a frick? More customers say otherwise.
Quadra, hit him with your JD Power & Associates copy/paste post, if you please.
Maybe you can tell me what the market cap has to do with products first. Is Apple in the stocks business? Do they create stocks and sell them to other companies?
Yes. Because they are. As all surveys and accolades show.
Why do you think the stock price has anything to do with anything? Does Amazon produce the "best, highest quality market leading products" because their stock was rising to ludicrous levels? Remember their P/E before they posted a quarterly loss?
I got to 'analysts', myself.
I stopped a few posts back when he started listing his 'Apple products'
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Originally Posted by AppleWill
Apple management seems out of touch with reality.
I don't know if I agree with that, but I would say they seem to be catering to a demographic with much different priorities than mine.
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Originally Posted by AppleWill
Do they really believe a significant number of their iPhone customers care about color-accuracy and gamut on a disposable device most of us keep for two years? Same goes for the much heralded aluminium case. Who cares? This is not a precious watch one keeps for ten years, it's a electronic gadget which is outdated in two years or less...
There are those just on this list who care very passionately about that "precious watch" build. I don't get it either, since they just cover the thing up with a case and replace it every couple of years, but they exist.
One can point to Apple's sales figures and say it's hard to argue with success, but we don't really know whether or not things like the aluminum case or "Retina" display really matter to most buyers because they only have one choice if they want the best performance and most current features. The only way to know for sure would be to have two offerings that are identical except for the top-of-the-line screen and fancy chassis. Since that's not likely to happen, and I doubt the cost savings would be all that great anyway, it's a moot point.
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Originally Posted by AppleWill
I still love my iPhone 5, but if it were not for being locked into Apple's "ecosystem", I'd seriously consider getting a Galaxy S4 for its large screen... so sad.
And that's the problem. Save for a few pet gripes like we all have, I mostly like Apple's operating systems, and am encouraged by their attempts at integrating home entertainment and consumer computing (even if, at this point, they do it about the same way a toddler runs a race). As often as not though, their hardware leaves me scratching my head wondering who the hell they're building these things for, and gasping with sticker shock at the cost of it. On the computer side I guess I could always look into Hackintoshing, but what does one do for a phoneputer?
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Originally Posted by thataveragejoe
The LCD screens in the 'jumbo' HTC phones of today pumping out 1920x1080 at a true 440+ ppi (the One is an insane 468ppi) made in part by the same suppliers as the iPhone screens essentially negates his entire point. Unless he's talking form factor, battery life, or some other screen related piece that's not the screen itself, I'm at a loss. The actual LCD tech is there, today. Samsung's AMOLED panels are still pure saturated trash.
Companies like HTC and Samsung came out with LTE phones about a year before Apple. People were hollering at Apple that it was falling behind the times. Yet, those phones had to use two chips to get LTE to work. The battery life was horrendous. Apple waited until the LTE chip technology improved and it could provide the same battery life as the previous phone. I do not know about the HTC One because it is not out yet, however, Apple also has to be able to get enough supplies to produce what ever device it manufacturers in a large quantity.
I write Tim Cook regularly asking for a larger iPhone. I think Apple can support three sizes when it works out the technology.
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Originally Posted by tribalogical
*crickets
Oh, sorry, didn't see that. Whenever pedro starts typing, I quickly move along to the next post while trying not to make eye contact.
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Originally Posted by tribalogical
I actually like the HTC One. Let me qualify that… I like how it LOOKS…
What is not to like, as it was clearly inspired by the iPhone 5.
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Originally Posted by HeyDude
It's become reality that Tim Cook and Apple have completely lost touch with the market and what consumers want. This idea that a 5" display cannot be created with high specs and standards is insane, several devices currently have 4.7-5"+ displays that have even better specs and quality than the iPhone.
I'd love to know what phones you are talking about. Please don't list any Samsung products. Sure the screens look pretty good, and they are bigger if that is your thing, but when you pick the phone up it feels cheap. The build quality of the iPhone is phenomenal. My family still has an original four year old 3GS in use. Most Samsung products are cheaply made. If I couldn't use an iPhone, I'd have to go with Window on a Nokia handset. At least Nokia knows how to make a phone.