Editorial: iOS 7 shows how Apple is leading mobile computing

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  • Reply 241 of 312
    grunt57grunt57 Posts: 4member

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    Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post





    Lol, I guess I was right: you do like flashy features like "themes" and the like, huh? You honestly think jailbreak devs are more innovative than the people who actually created the OS that they tinker (let's repeat that: TINKER) with? D'ok.


     


    I'm not talking about themes. I'm talking about stuff like SBSSettings (= iOS 7 Control Center) or Auxo ( = iOS 7 Multitasking) that have been available for years. Maybe they didn't need to "TINKER" if Apple did their job properly in the first place? Their "tinkering" turned into official features by the people who actually created the OS. Isn't there something wrong with this picture?


     


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    You list things like the iMac, iPod, iPhone, and iPad like they were all BAM BAM BAM back when Apple "used to innovate". In reality they were spread years apart. Yet you expect Apple to reinvent the wheel every year? We're only barely into the iPad's life cycle.



     


    Yes, all have all these products plus a macmini. The iOS life cycle has lasted for 6 years which is a very very very long time in this business. I don't expect Apple to innovate every year, but lately they are just playing catch up with one exception: the new Mac Pro! The new Mac Pro shows what Apple can really do and I want to see more of it on iOS, that's all I'm saying.

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  • Reply 242 of 312
    pendergastpendergast Posts: 1,358member
    grunt57 wrote: »
    I'm not talking about themes. I'm talking about stuff like SBSSettings (= iOS 7 Control Center) or Auxo ( = iOS 7 Multitasking) that have been available for years. Maybe they didn't need to "TINKER" if Apple did their job properly in the first place? Their "tinkering" turned into official features by the people who actually created the OS. 


    Yes, all have all these products plus a macmini. The iOS life cycle has lasted for 6 years which is a very very very long time in this business. I don't expect Apple to innovate every year, but lately they are just playing catch up with one exception: the new Mac Pro! The new Mac Pro shows what Apple can really do and I want to see more of it on iOS, that's all I'm saying.

    It's laughable if you think SBSSettings is more innovative than the rest of iOS. Seriously.

    Apple "playing catchup" is just them adding minor features users requested; they don't represent everything going on behind the scenes, and they're just refinements of a maturing OS that's ironing out any weaknesses. Seriously, if Apple doesn't do anything it's "Apple never listens!!" and when they do it's "Apple is playing catchup/ Apple copied!"
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  • Reply 243 of 312
    grunt57grunt57 Posts: 4member

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    Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post





    It's laughable if you think SBSSettings is more innovative than the rest of iOS. Seriously.



    Apple "playing catchup" is just them adding minor features users requested; they don't represent everything going on behind the scenes, and they're just refinements of a maturing OS that's ironing out any weaknesses. Seriously, if Apple doesn't do anything it's "Apple never listens!!" and when they do it's "Apple is playing catchup/ Apple copied!"


     


    Apparently it's the norm here to take single examples and make them the whole general point. I never said SBSettings is more innovative than the rest of iOS, it's just an example of one of the features Apple could have implemented years ago.


     


    These articles explains my point about iOS perfectly: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/ios-7-a-bold-step-sideways-20130621-2ond6.html and http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html. Great to finally read proper unbiased opinions. I wish I could say the same about the Editorial that started this discussion. 

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  • Reply 244 of 312
    pendergastpendergast Posts: 1,358member
    grunt57 wrote: »
    Apparently it's the norm here to take single examples and make them the whole general point. I never said SBSettings is more innovative than the rest of iOS, it's just an example of one of the features Apple could have implemented years ago.

    This article explains my point about iOS perfectly: <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/ios-7-a-bold-step-sideways-20130621-2ond6.html" style="line-height:1.231;" target="_blank">http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/ios-7-a-bold-step-sideways-20130621-2ond6.html</a>;
     . Great to finally read a proper unbiased opinion. I can't say the same about the Editorial that started this discussion. 

    I referenced something you referenced, doesn't that make sense?

    Everyone has biases. The author of that piece has a bias towards "new and exciting", i.e. superficial stuff that you also seem focused on. Forget the aesthetics, the really cool part of iOS 7 is under the hood with new APIs and such. Read the comments from some developers in that very article; they explain it better than me.
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  • Reply 245 of 312

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    Depends how you look at it. If you compare numbers as indicators it is not so bright. Apple still sells only in premium segment and others sell more than Apple. In quantity, of course. And trend is negative for Apple.


     


    If Apple would have 4.6" iPhone today, Samsung would have to sell its plastic-fantastic S4 for at least 150$ cheaper loosing almost all profits. Even if such iPhone would not measure up to quality Apple is used to.



     


    Ridiculous. Fandroids will find a reason to hate the iPhone. Let's see:


    1. "Walled gardens"


    2. "Boring home screen"


    3. "No multitasking"


    4. "No choice"


    5. "Tim Cook is a failure and must go"


    6. "Jony Ive should stick to hardware design"


    7. "AAPL lost $12 today isn't anyone else worried about Apple's future?"


    8. "iOS 7 looks like a bag of Skittles exploded"


    9. "Apple Maps still sucks!"


    10. "iPhone needs to be cheaper"

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  • Reply 246 of 312
    macbook promacbook pro Posts: 1,605member
    pendergast wrote: »
    I referenced something you referenced, doesn't that make sense?

    Everyone has biases. The author of that piece has a bias towards "new and exciting", i.e. superficial stuff that you also seem focused on. Forget the aesthetics, the really cool part of iOS 7 is under the hood with new APIs and such. Read the comments from some developers in that very article; they explain it better than me.

    Just ignore that person. The comments are patently absurd.
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  • Reply 247 of 312
    poksipoksi Posts: 482member

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    Originally Posted by MacBook Pro View Post





    One model from one manufacturer as comparison to a phone that offers significantly more functionality? Really? Hahaha.


     


    what is your point again? I am talking about phones getting bigger and bigger in general regardless of Samsung existence or not. How is it up there?

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  • Reply 248 of 312
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    poksi wrote: »
    I am talking about phones getting bigger and bigger in general regardless of Samsung existence or not.

    And you cannot say that in anything but a speculatory sense, as in this branch of our local Universe the situation you pose does not exist.
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  • Reply 249 of 312
    poksipoksi Posts: 482member

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    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post


     


    Ridiculous. Fandroids will find a reason to hate the iPhone. Let's see:


    1. "Walled gardens"


    2. "Boring home screen"


    3. "No multitasking"


    4. "No choice"


    5. "Tim Cook is a failure and must go"


    6. "Jony Ive should stick to hardware design"


    7. "AAPL lost $12 today isn't anyone else worried about Apple's future?"


    8. "iOS 7 looks like a bag of Skittles exploded"


    9. "Apple Maps still sucks!"


    10. "iPhone needs to be cheaper"



     


    What actually is ridiculous in my post? What you don't agree with and who is talking  about Fandroids?  I agree about them hating Apple, but what does this has to do with large numbers of larger screen being sold? I see every day young women and girls to go massively on S just because of larger screen and you want to say they are Fandroids? Majority of S3 and S4 buyer are not Fandroids, they just want a big phone. DOn't be so blind and start to comprehend this fact. Apple is vastly loosing market share in this segment, especially in Europe. Let me remind you that Europe was and still is the most matured mobile market and good indicator of the trends and I am afraid that many people from USA just don't understand that still seeing iPhone as extended iPod. 


     


    THings change, so should Apple. For now it's changing way too slow. And it isn't only iPhone. Why did we had to wait for soo long for new Mac Pro? Design of round box took 2 years or more??? Please...


     


    The reason is most probably far more simple and it is frightening: Apple got too comfortable realizing that they  are earning much more money than needed and decided to slow the pace of everything, putting stuff on the market way over thin red saturation line. This is gambling. Perhaps that is why gamblers from WA don't like them any more.


     


    Anyway, when Apple releases larger iPhone you will all yell: hell, yeah, it wasn't needed before, it had come out in just the right moment, but all of us will know this will just be a load of crap...

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  • Reply 250 of 312
    pendergastpendergast Posts: 1,358member
    poksi wrote: »
    What actually is ridiculous in my post? What you don't agree with and who is talking  about Fandroids?  I agree about them hating Apple, but what does this has to do with large numbers of larger screen being sold? I see every day young women and girls to go massively on S just because of larger screen and you want to say they are Fandroids? Majority of S3 and S4 buyer are not Fandroids, they just want a big phone. DOn't be so blind and start to comprehend this fact. Apple is vastly loosing market share in this segment, especially in Europe. Let me remind you that Europe was and still is the most matured mobile market and good indicator of the trends and I am afraid that many people from USA just don't understand that still seeing iPhone as extended iPod. 

    THings change, so should Apple. For now it's changing way too slow. And it isn't only iPhone. Why did we had to wait for soo long for new Mac Pro? Design of round box took 2 years or more??? Please...

    The reason is most probably far more simple and it is frightening: Apple got too comfortable realizing that they  are earning much more money than needed and decided to slow the pace of everything, putting stuff on the market way over thin red saturation line. This is gambling. Perhaps that is why gamblers from WA don't like them any more.

    Anyway, when Apple releases larger iPhone you will all yell: hell, yeah, it wasn't needed before, it had come out in just the right moment, but all of us will know this will just be a load of crap...

    Your whole Mac Pro line negates your whole argument and shows you to have little clue. Cheers.
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  • Reply 251 of 312
    poksipoksi Posts: 482member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post





    And you cannot say that in anything but a speculatory sense, as in this branch of our local Universe the situation you pose does not exist.


     


    If I would be younger I would wonder about universe you exist in. However, today I post this for the sake of argument to other people. You are known to slash a vain statements without any.


     


    My phones from 1999:


    - Panasonic G500


    - Nokia 6250


    - Nokia 6300


    - Ericsson T600 (this was the only one smaller than previous)


    - Nokia E71


    - iPhone 3GS


    - iPhone 4S


     


    Now, get a grip on dimension data and get a life.

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  • Reply 252 of 312
    poksipoksi Posts: 482member

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    Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post





    Your whole Mac Pro line negates your whole argument and shows you to have little clue. Cheers.


     


    whole Mac Pro line....what Mac pro line? The one that is not selling in Europe any more? Would you care to comment also something else or you just shoot point blank to everyone who would dare to say Apple is the best but not perfect? Do you realize how sick that is?

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  • Reply 253 of 312
    pendergastpendergast Posts: 1,358member
    poksi wrote: »
    whole Mac Pro line....what Mac pro line? The one that is not selling in Europe any more? Would you care to comment also something else or you just shoot point blank to everyone who would dare to say Apple is the best but not perfect? Do you realize how sick that is?

    Your line about Mac Pros and why the "round design" took two years. Stupid suggestion on your part, and one that springs from ignorance regarding how technically complicated the new Mac Pro is.

    And it's not Apple's fault the EU banned the old Mac Pro over something stupid.
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  • Reply 254 of 312
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    poksi wrote: »
    Why did we had to wait for soo long for new Mac Pro? Design of round box took 2 years or more??? Please...

    You're either trolling, which we don't allow, or you genuinely believe this, which negates your entire argument in the first place.

    You just outright lose.
    The reason is most probably far more simple and it is frightening: Apple got too comfortable realizing that they  are earning much more money than needed and decided to slow the pace of everything, putting stuff on the market way over thin red saturation line. This is gambling. Perhaps that is why gamblers from WA don't like them any more.

    Talk about conspiracy theories! :lol:
    poksi wrote: »
    Now, get a grip on dimension data and get a life.

    Thanks for the insults; still waiting for something to negate what I said. 'Course if you'd read what I said, you'd know that you can't give proof by virtue of your position.
    poksi wrote: »
    whole Mac Pro line....what Mac pro line? The one that is not selling in Europe any more? Would you care to comment also something else or you just shoot point blank to everyone who would dare to say Apple is the best but not perfect? Do you realize how sick that is?

    Enough of this nonsense. If this is all you can say, find another forum. It stopped being funny a while ago.
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  • Reply 255 of 312
    poksipoksi Posts: 482member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post





    Your line about Mac Pros and why the "round design" took two years. Stupid suggestion on your part, and one that springs from ignorance regarding how technically complicated the new Mac Pro is.



    And it's not Apple's fault the EU banned the old Mac Pro over something stupid.


     


    How long did it take then to design new Mac Pro by your opinion? I am not saying it is not a piece of engineering, but go back and find out how this company way years back reinvented desktop and pro computer continuously with what, 100x less resources? You want to say that it took the largest IT company in the world more than 2 years to make "technically complicated the new Mac Pro" being just right thing?  Want to say more about stupid suggestions?


     


    EU leaders are bunch of bureaucratic idiots, but still this little mishap pointed out to the old age of Mac Pro. Let us forget about real reason.  

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  • Reply 256 of 312
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    poksi wrote: »
    How long did it take then to design new Mac Pro by your opinion?

    Looks like it took three years.
    I am not saying it is not a piece of engineering

    But that's exactly what you're saying. In fact, your statement is merely one step removed from having said EXACTLY that, word for word.
    ...this company way years back reinvented desktop and pro computer continuously with what, 100x less resources?

    Logical fallacy.
    You want to say that it took the largest IT company in the world more than 2 years to make technically complicated the new Mac Pro" being just right thing?

    Given that the iPhone took 18 months, plus the unknown x months of work done on the tablet before that, mmm, yeah.
    EU leaders are bunch of bureaucratic idiots, but still this little mishap pointed out to the old age of Mac Pro.

    Not really. Any law can come into effect at any time that can ban any product, regardless of age.
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  • Reply 257 of 312
    poksipoksi Posts: 482member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post





    You're either trolling, which we don't allow, or you genuinely believe this, which negates your entire argument in the first place.



    You just outright lose.

    Talk about conspiracy theories! image

    Thanks for the insults; still waiting for something to negate what I said. 'Course if you'd read what I said, you'd know that you can't give proof by virtue of your position.

    Enough of this nonsense. If this is all you can say, find another forum. It stopped being funny a while ago.


     


    You are a real specialist for insults, not me. You are posting statements without any arguments, and when somebody presses you with the one, then usual misbehaved routine starts: troll, go away, conspiracy....


     


    As somebody wrote to you already: look at the number of posts and time since the first one. This says everything about you and value of your comments. I make my living as iOS developer which makes me infinitive more connected and loyal to Apple. It is not religious connection, it is pleasure at work and survival at the same.

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  • Reply 258 of 312
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    poksi wrote: »
    You are a real specialist for insults, not me.

    I see you using them, however, while I'm not.
    As somebody wrote to you already: look at the number of posts and time since the first one.

    :lol:
    You are posting statements without any arguments...

    Need I say more? You've already said it! Three ways now!
    I make my living as iOS developer which makes me infinitive more connected and loyal to Apple.

    Great way to end a night. :lol:
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  • Reply 259 of 312
    poksipoksi Posts: 482member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post





    Looks like it took three years.

    But that's exactly what you're saying. In fact, your statement is merely one step removed from having said EXACTLY that, word for word.

    Logical fallacy.

    Given that the iPhone took 18 months, plus the unknown x months of work done on the tablet before that, mmm, yeah.

    Not really. Any law can come into effect at any time that can ban any product, regardless of age.


     


    Yes, "logical fallacy" comment comes from the person that compares 18 months+ for iPhone as totally new concept, not just a  product with new desktop PC form factor , however complicated it could be? image   OMG...

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  • Reply 260 of 312
    pendergastpendergast Posts: 1,358member
    poksi wrote: »
    How long did it take then to design new Mac Pro by your opinion? I am not saying it is not a piece of engineering, but go back and find out how this company way years back reinvented desktop and pro computer continuously with what, 100x less resources? You want to say that it took the largest IT company in the world more than 2 years to make "<span style="background-color:rgb(241,241,241);">technically complicated the new Mac Pro" being just right thing?  Want to say more about stupid suggestions?</span>


    EU leaders are bunch of bureaucratic idiots, but still this little mishap pointed out to the old age of Mac Pro. Let us forget about real reason.  

    Apple is not the largest IT company in the world, not in the metrics that would apply here. You're equating revenue and profits and market cap with physical engineering resources and manpower.

    For its size, Apple is actually pretty small. I mean, they had to pull Mac engineers over to iOS to finish it.

    So yeah, I'm guessing such a revolutionary design probably took several years. It may also have been on hold until technology advanced enough, hence the spec bump last year.
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