That's almost double Samsung's share! Screw Samsung, and screw Android!
Other phone makers can tout their market share in crappy countries and places that don't matter. Even Blackberry, which is a complete disaster, claims to do good in the middle east and other third world places that don't really matter at all. I mean, who really gives a crap if your phone is selling well in Somalia? That's nothing that I would want to boast about. It's not a good sign if your phone is only selling to third world people, as that is not exactly a lucrative market. It doesn't get much more bottom of the barrel than that!
The bottom line is that Apple is kicking ass in the US, and the iPhone continues to remain supreme, and will continue to do so in the future also.
And no, Apple does not need to make cheap, crappy phones for undesirable customers with no money. Those kind of phones already exist. That's what Android, Symbian, Blackberry and others are for.
This vile Americanocentric, nationalist and often racist nonsense has to stop. start handing out bans or lose your international viewers, AI.
Is she actually going to take it places? Does she really need a laptop? If not, she might be better off with a 21" iMac. Much bigger screen, faster, more RAM, more HD for around the same money. Ergonomically much better if it's going to be used stationary anyway.
I am voting for this as well if she does not move it around. The base 21" iMac with the Fusion Drive upgrade is a real screamer if it fits in her budget. I am amzed at how much the Fusion Drive speeds up a system. Of course the MacAir has SSD to it is equally fast on the drive side.
But if you do not use your machine as a laptop, the All-In-One is a really nice fit and it is light and easy to translocate if needed.
Cook promised to "fix" Europe a couple of years ago, we see now how good he is with his promises.
Very true and very sad indeed. However, this will be no easy task for Apple and that's not entirely their fault. They just need to step up, especially when it comes to their ecosystem.
Europe consists of many (in comparison to the US) small countries, all with their own governments, regulation authorities, etc. Therefore it is extremely difficult to roll out services such as Movies, TV Shows, rentals related to such, etc in all of those countries, because separate negotiations need to take place. This seems cost and time intensive and I'm not even sure Apple is still pursuing this, as you still got many countries apart from the major ones such as UK, France, Germany where essential services are missing.
Add to this the fact that other popular services such as Netflix are not available in Europe either (ok, they are now in the UK) and as such offerings such as the Apple TV are extremely unattractive over there. The lack of iTunes Radio in Europe is just another example of this.
Oh, and let's also not forget that Apple keeps on screwing over European customers. The Dollar exchange rate has been very low for a long time now. And while it never really reflected in Apple's prices correctly, for a long time the Euro price was at least a bit lower in order to reflect this trend. However, some time around the iPhone 5 introduction Apple actually turned this around, now charging a higher sum in Euros than in Dollars and that's just a bad joke. Don't even try to explain this with taxes and whatnot, it doesn't apply. It's just charging a huge premium over US sales.
Thats good for Apple in America, particularly in a Q the Samsung 4 is released. When the inevitable broadening of the lineup happens Apple could hit 60%. Even with the 5s, if thats all this year, then Apple could go 50%+
However American Apple fans don't realise how much this is to do with the carrier subsidy in the US, if the iPhone were $200 more expensive across all price ranges, Apple would be where it is in Europe, and those contracts are probably end of lifed soon. So even the US needs cheaper phones, so they remain the same price for consumers.
As for how safe this is - Blackberry once owned America. Now it is nowhere. A broadening of the base is required.
That's almost double Samsung's share! Screw Samsung, and screw Android!
Other phone makers can tout their market share in crappy countries and places that don't matter. Even Blackberry, which is a complete disaster, claims to do good in the middle east and other third world places that don't really matter at all. I mean, who really gives a crap if your phone is selling well in Somalia? That's nothing that I would want to boast about. It's not a good sign if your phone is only selling to third world people, as that is not exactly a lucrative market. It doesn't get much more bottom of the barrel than that!
The bottom line is that Apple is kicking ass in the US, and the iPhone continues to remain supreme, and will continue to do so in the future also.
And no, Apple does not need to make cheap, crappy phones for undesirable customers with no money. Those kind of phones already exist. That's what Android, Symbian, Blackberry and others are for.
United states population Aprox 300,000,000 world population 7,000,000,000. = around 4.5% of the world population...Yeah stop thinking the US is the only market. Apple knows its not.
Thats good for Apple in America, particularly in a Q the Samsung 4 is released. When the inevitable broadening of the lineup happens Apple could hit 60%. Even with the 5s, if thats all this year, then Apple could go 50%+
However American Apple fans don't realise how much this is to do with the carrier subsidy in the US, if the iPhone were $200 more expensive across all price ranges, Apple would be where it is in Europe, and those contracts are probably end of lifed soon. So even the US needs cheaper phones, so they remain the same price for consumers.
As for how safe this is - Blackberry once owned America. Now it is nowhere. A broadening of the base is required.
So Apple needs to start making cheap phones to cater to Europe?
[QUOTE]Fact: The iPhone is doing exceptionally well in the US. [/QUOTE]
It is, so what's that to AI's international Apple devices owners who want the app ecosystem to do well where they are?
[QUOTE]Fact: Capturing a tiny market, like Somalia, does not really impact your bottom line or world market share much. [/QUOTE]
Strawman. Nobody HAS EVER ARGUED FOR SOMALIA. We talk about China, India, Europe, and South America where Apple can do better.
[QUOTE]Fact: Apple does not make in-expesive products and it does not sell to the lower-end of the market. [/QUOTE]
Americans need to get over their assumed position in the world. Western Europe has been as rich as America for decades now - present difficulties exist on both sides of the pond, and the BRICS have a growing middle class which needs to be captured. I am thoroughly sick of making this argument.
In any case this guy Apple[] also said "Other phone makers can tout their market share[B] in crappy countries and places that don't matter[/B]. " and he clearly means anywhere not America.
So Apple needs to start making cheap phones to cater to Europe?
Apple needs cheaper phones to continue to win in the US where the carrier subsidy will disappear in the future, middle income phones and bigger screens in Europe and Asia, and even cheaper phones for the rest of the world. Not the cheapest in any category but to be there.
Companies try not to maintain market share, or even profit share - not that Apple ever mention that. When a market is saturated another market is attempted.
Dare I say this view looks very American or should I call you simply ignorant?
Let me try to keep it together and not question your level of education, because it really seems as if you believe that everyone outside the US runs around in undies eating bananas.
If you believe there is no other market that matters outside the US, you are horribly mistaken and luckily Apple knows this. ;-)
Sadly, it doesn't look all that rosy in some of those markets, especially in certain markets in Europe and this is something Apple needs to turn around somehow.
I believe that it is quite ignorant to assume things about posters on the internet, some of whom are much more educated than you will ever be.
And your reading comprehension is quite lacking, because I have never said that no other markets besides the USA matters. Europe matters, Asia matters, I am saying that third world markets do not matter.
So Apple needs to start making cheap phones to cater to Europe?
No, but Apple needs to get three things in order in Europe:
1.) Work with carries in order to ensure better subsidy rates, similar to the US ones.
2.) Stop screwing European customers over and charge appropriate prices, similar to US ones.
3.) Ensure you got an attractive ecosystem within iTunes in all European countries.
Regarding point number two, let me clarify. In Europe, I paid 789 Euros for a 32GB iPhone 5, whereas it costs 749 Dollars in the US. The European price is therefore about 1026 Dollars. I'd be really curious to see how many of those Apple would sell in the US at that rate. It's just crazy.
In Europe, I paid 789 Euros for a 32GB iPhone 5, whereas it costs 749 Dollars in the US. The European price is therefore about 1026 Dollars. I'd be really curious to see how many of those Apple would sell in the US at that rate. It's just crazy.
Have you heard about VAT or are you ignorant about that too?
Is that not included in the Euro price?
You do realize that the US price is without tax, so US people do not pay just $749 for that iPhone.
On a completely different off topic, my mom may be in the market for a PC. I always decide was PC she should buy. Does anyone here have a new Macbook Air? Are they fast even with a dual core? I would instruct her to get either an i5 with 8GB RAM or i7 with 4GB RAM. Which would make the best difference with this computer? How is the real world battery life?
I am only asking because I know very little with the Air line. I got a Retina instead, first MAC, most likely, not the last.
Always good to hear from a new Mac convert but now that you are one of of us you should know we don't really call them PCs, just Macs.
I believe that it is quite ignorant to assume things about posters on the internet, some of whom are much more educated than you will ever be.
And your reading comprehension is quite lacking, because I have never said that no other markets besides the USA matters. Europe matters, Asia matters, I am saying that third world markets do not matter.
Well, first off, you are calling yourself ignorant there, by trying to play it smart and then shooting assumptions about my level of education in the very same sentence. Nice one. ;-)
Mate, you were clearly generalising and implying something different in your text above and your language was different, as in more aggressive as well. I don't seem to be the only one to have noticed that judging by the other replies to your original post.
Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'm not really interested in arguing with you or anyone else here for that matter, so let's just let it go.
Very true and very sad indeed. However, this will be no easy task for Apple and that's not entirely their fault. They just need to step up, especially when it comes to their ecosystem.
Europe consists of many (in comparison to the US) small countries, all with their own governments, regulation authorities, etc. Therefore it is extremely difficult to roll out services such as Movies, TV Shows, rentals related to such, etc in all of those countries, because separate negotiations need to take place. This seems cost and time intensive and I'm not even sure Apple is still pursuing this, as you still got many countries apart from the major ones such as UK, France, Germany where essential services are missing.
Add to this the fact that other popular services such as Netflix are not available in Europe either (ok, they are now in the UK) and as such offerings such as the Apple TV are extremely unattractive over there. The lack of iTunes Radio in Europe is just another example of this.
Oh, and let's also not forget that Apple keeps on screwing over European customers. The Dollar exchange rate has been very low for a long time now. And while it never really reflected in Apple's prices correctly, for a long time the Euro price was at least a bit lower in order to reflect this trend. However, some time around the iPhone 5 introduction Apple actually turned this around, now charging a higher sum in Euros than in Dollars and that's just a bad joke. Don't even try to explain this with taxes and whatnot, it doesn't apply. It's just charging a huge premium over US sales.
But nothing you say is any different than any other large service provider from Amazon, Google to MS. It is true that each country requires its own deals but there is no question Apple is leading this charge and is, on the whole, WAY ahead of its nearest competitor (from 9 months back: http://www.macstories.net/stories/mapping-the-entertainment-ecosystems-of-apple-microsoft-google-amazon/). And yes, doing business in the EU costs substantially more than in the US. The EU gets a pretty darn good VAT tax (don't forget to add 5%-7% sales tax on US prices not shown) as well as a substantially higher warrantee cost. Even the Galaxy S4 (when released) costs more in Germany in Euros than the US in Dollars.
Have you heard about VAT or are you ignorant about that too?
Is that not included in the Euro price?
You do realize that the US price is without tax, so US people do not pay just $749 for that iPhone.
Yea, keep those attacks coming...
Either way, how about you provide a concrete example of how much said iPhone model costs an average US customer in comparison? That would actually be useful over just shooting remarks.
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This vile Americanocentric, nationalist and often racist nonsense has to stop. start handing out bans or lose your international viewers, AI.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
Is she actually going to take it places? Does she really need a laptop? If not, she might be better off with a 21" iMac. Much bigger screen, faster, more RAM, more HD for around the same money. Ergonomically much better if it's going to be used stationary anyway.
I am voting for this as well if she does not move it around. The base 21" iMac with the Fusion Drive upgrade is a real screamer if it fits in her budget. I am amzed at how much the Fusion Drive speeds up a system. Of course the MacAir has SSD to it is equally fast on the drive side.
But if you do not use your machine as a laptop, the All-In-One is a really nice fit and it is light and easy to translocate if needed.
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Originally Posted by helicopterben
It is all about future growth, not present!
I hope Tim Cook and his team are taking things seriously for global growth. I remember Tim Cook saying "do not bet against us" What happened?
You're absolutely right, said no one ever.
Buzz off troll.
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Originally Posted by jason98
While Apple holds a steady US position which is not likely to change any time soon, Apple seems to completely give up Europe:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/06/25/idc-apples-iphone-sheds-european-marketshare-in-q1-pushed-out-of-top-5-in-india
Not even funny.
Cook promised to "fix" Europe a couple of years ago, we see now how good he is with his promises.
Very true and very sad indeed. However, this will be no easy task for Apple and that's not entirely their fault. They just need to step up, especially when it comes to their ecosystem.
Europe consists of many (in comparison to the US) small countries, all with their own governments, regulation authorities, etc. Therefore it is extremely difficult to roll out services such as Movies, TV Shows, rentals related to such, etc in all of those countries, because separate negotiations need to take place. This seems cost and time intensive and I'm not even sure Apple is still pursuing this, as you still got many countries apart from the major ones such as UK, France, Germany where essential services are missing.
Add to this the fact that other popular services such as Netflix are not available in Europe either (ok, they are now in the UK) and as such offerings such as the Apple TV are extremely unattractive over there. The lack of iTunes Radio in Europe is just another example of this.
Oh, and let's also not forget that Apple keeps on screwing over European customers. The Dollar exchange rate has been very low for a long time now. And while it never really reflected in Apple's prices correctly, for a long time the Euro price was at least a bit lower in order to reflect this trend. However, some time around the iPhone 5 introduction Apple actually turned this around, now charging a higher sum in Euros than in Dollars and that's just a bad joke. Don't even try to explain this with taxes and whatnot, it doesn't apply. It's just charging a huge premium over US sales.
However American Apple fans don't realise how much this is to do with the carrier subsidy in the US, if the iPhone were $200 more expensive across all price ranges, Apple would be where it is in Europe, and those contracts are probably end of lifed soon. So even the US needs cheaper phones, so they remain the same price for consumers.
As for how safe this is - Blackberry once owned America. Now it is nowhere. A broadening of the base is required.
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Originally Posted by asdasd
This vile Americanocentric, nationalist and often racist nonsense has to stop. start handing out bans or lose your international viewers, AI.
While I agree his post was over-the-top and a bit off-key, it was not racist, Amercanocentric or nationalist and any way.
Fact: The iPhone is doing exceptionally well in the US.
Fact: Capturing a tiny market, like Somalia, does not really impact your bottom line or world market share much.
Fact: Apple does not make in-expesive products and it does not sell to the lower-end of the market.
Those are not Amercanocentric, nationalist or racist.
Option: "Third world" might have been better stated as "undeveloped" or "under developed". Same thing really.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
That's almost double Samsung's share! Screw Samsung, and screw Android!
Other phone makers can tout their market share in crappy countries and places that don't matter. Even Blackberry, which is a complete disaster, claims to do good in the middle east and other third world places that don't really matter at all. I mean, who really gives a crap if your phone is selling well in Somalia? That's nothing that I would want to boast about. It's not a good sign if your phone is only selling to third world people, as that is not exactly a lucrative market. It doesn't get much more bottom of the barrel than that!
The bottom line is that Apple is kicking ass in the US, and the iPhone continues to remain supreme, and will continue to do so in the future also.
And no, Apple does not need to make cheap, crappy phones for undesirable customers with no money. Those kind of phones already exist. That's what Android, Symbian, Blackberry and others are for.
United states population Aprox 300,000,000 world population 7,000,000,000. = around 4.5% of the world population...Yeah stop thinking the US is the only market. Apple knows its not.
So Apple needs to start making cheap phones to cater to Europe?
[/QUOTE]
It is, so what's that to AI's international Apple devices owners who want the app ecosystem to do well where they are?
[QUOTE]Fact: Capturing a tiny market, like Somalia, does not really impact your bottom line or world market share much.
[/QUOTE]
Strawman. Nobody HAS EVER ARGUED FOR SOMALIA. We talk about China, India, Europe, and South America where Apple can do better.
[QUOTE]Fact: Apple does not make in-expesive products and it does not sell to the lower-end of the market.
[/QUOTE]
Americans need to get over their assumed position in the world. Western Europe has been as rich as America for decades now - present difficulties exist on both sides of the pond, and the BRICS have a growing middle class which needs to be captured. I am thoroughly sick of making this argument.
In any case this guy Apple[] also said "Other phone makers can tout their market share[B] in crappy countries and places that don't matter[/B]. " and he clearly means anywhere not America.
Apple needs cheaper phones to continue to win in the US where the carrier subsidy will disappear in the future, middle income phones and bigger screens in Europe and Asia, and even cheaper phones for the rest of the world. Not the cheapest in any category but to be there.
Companies try not to maintain market share, or even profit share - not that Apple ever mention that. When a market is saturated another market is attempted.
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Originally Posted by cynic
Dare I say this view looks very American or should I call you simply ignorant?
Let me try to keep it together and not question your level of education, because it really seems as if you believe that everyone outside the US runs around in undies eating bananas.
If you believe there is no other market that matters outside the US, you are horribly mistaken and luckily Apple knows this. ;-)
Sadly, it doesn't look all that rosy in some of those markets, especially in certain markets in Europe and this is something Apple needs to turn around somehow.
I believe that it is quite ignorant to assume things about posters on the internet, some of whom are much more educated than you will ever be.
And your reading comprehension is quite lacking, because I have never said that no other markets besides the USA matters. Europe matters, Asia matters, I am saying that third world markets do not matter.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
So Apple needs to start making cheap phones to cater to Europe?
No, but Apple needs to get three things in order in Europe:
1.) Work with carries in order to ensure better subsidy rates, similar to the US ones.
2.) Stop screwing European customers over and charge appropriate prices, similar to US ones.
3.) Ensure you got an attractive ecosystem within iTunes in all European countries.
Regarding point number two, let me clarify. In Europe, I paid 789 Euros for a 32GB iPhone 5, whereas it costs 749 Dollars in the US. The European price is therefore about 1026 Dollars. I'd be really curious to see how many of those Apple would sell in the US at that rate. It's just crazy.
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Originally Posted by cynic
In Europe, I paid 789 Euros for a 32GB iPhone 5, whereas it costs 749 Dollars in the US. The European price is therefore about 1026 Dollars. I'd be really curious to see how many of those Apple would sell in the US at that rate. It's just crazy.
Have you heard about VAT or are you ignorant about that too?
Is that not included in the Euro price?
You do realize that the US price is without tax, so US people do not pay just $749 for that iPhone.
Thank you. I wish he would get a smackdown. He's an embarrassment to decent global citizens, some of whom are actually Americans.
Always good to hear from a new Mac convert but now that you are one of of us you should know we don't really call them PCs, just Macs.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
I believe that it is quite ignorant to assume things about posters on the internet, some of whom are much more educated than you will ever be.
And your reading comprehension is quite lacking, because I have never said that no other markets besides the USA matters. Europe matters, Asia matters, I am saying that third world markets do not matter.
Well, first off, you are calling yourself ignorant there, by trying to play it smart and then shooting assumptions about my level of education in the very same sentence. Nice one. ;-)
Mate, you were clearly generalising and implying something different in your text above and your language was different, as in more aggressive as well. I don't seem to be the only one to have noticed that judging by the other replies to your original post.
Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'm not really interested in arguing with you or anyone else here for that matter, so let's just let it go.
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Originally Posted by asdasd
This vile Americanocentric, nationalist and often racist nonsense has to stop. start handing out bans or lose your international viewers, AI.
You're racist, for imagining racism where there is none.
I discriminate against all Fandroids equally, regardless of skin color.
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Originally Posted by cynic
Very true and very sad indeed. However, this will be no easy task for Apple and that's not entirely their fault. They just need to step up, especially when it comes to their ecosystem.
Europe consists of many (in comparison to the US) small countries, all with their own governments, regulation authorities, etc. Therefore it is extremely difficult to roll out services such as Movies, TV Shows, rentals related to such, etc in all of those countries, because separate negotiations need to take place. This seems cost and time intensive and I'm not even sure Apple is still pursuing this, as you still got many countries apart from the major ones such as UK, France, Germany where essential services are missing.
Add to this the fact that other popular services such as Netflix are not available in Europe either (ok, they are now in the UK) and as such offerings such as the Apple TV are extremely unattractive over there. The lack of iTunes Radio in Europe is just another example of this.
Oh, and let's also not forget that Apple keeps on screwing over European customers. The Dollar exchange rate has been very low for a long time now. And while it never really reflected in Apple's prices correctly, for a long time the Euro price was at least a bit lower in order to reflect this trend. However, some time around the iPhone 5 introduction Apple actually turned this around, now charging a higher sum in Euros than in Dollars and that's just a bad joke. Don't even try to explain this with taxes and whatnot, it doesn't apply. It's just charging a huge premium over US sales.
But nothing you say is any different than any other large service provider from Amazon, Google to MS. It is true that each country requires its own deals but there is no question Apple is leading this charge and is, on the whole, WAY ahead of its nearest competitor (from 9 months back: http://www.macstories.net/stories/mapping-the-entertainment-ecosystems-of-apple-microsoft-google-amazon/). And yes, doing business in the EU costs substantially more than in the US. The EU gets a pretty darn good VAT tax (don't forget to add 5%-7% sales tax on US prices not shown) as well as a substantially higher warrantee cost. Even the Galaxy S4 (when released) costs more in Germany in Euros than the US in Dollars.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Have you heard about VAT or are you ignorant about that too?
Is that not included in the Euro price?
You do realize that the US price is without tax, so US people do not pay just $749 for that iPhone.
Yea, keep those attacks coming...
Either way, how about you provide a concrete example of how much said iPhone model costs an average US customer in comparison? That would actually be useful over just shooting remarks.