True or not true, it's an ugly thought to let pass through your fingers. Samsung's bad taste must not be allowed to prevail over Apple's good taste. The world would be much poorer for it. It would be as if News Corp. became the last extant publisher.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
I just don't see that ever happening, nor do I believe it's possible. Being 2nd isn't so bad especially when 3rd and 4th are so far behind. I'm actually pulling for Motorola to get it's act together but I don't think now that Google owns them that it'll happen.
However you view Samsung, it is running solidly in second place. Given that Europe and many parts of Asia seem to prefer Galaxy over iPhone, how can we be sure that these regions won't propel Samsung to the top spot? I am not saying this is guaranteed to happen, I am just saying this is an interesting race with an unpredictable outcome. Arguably, Samsung will be toppled or stymied not by Apple but by other Android vendors. Imagine one of the Chinese vendors rising to the top of Android bunch. In Spain and other European regions, the carriers are quite keen on finding alternatives to Apple and Samsung.
Do you even understand what he is really trying to say? You can guess but you cannot be sure. Coincidentally, you infer it to agree with your opinion
BTW, I have heard about the British preference for referring to a company as a plural entity. But I don't see that in practice. Articles in the Guardian, Financial Times, etc. all use company names as singular entities.
He doesn't infer anything, he understands English. What I wrote isn't even complicated British English. There is a comma delimited list of the arguments I was refuting, a correctly placed semi-colon where I go on to a different clause. Theoretically I should have used however after the semi-colon but it's not obligatory.
Would it it have been easier for you if I used a full stop rather than a semi-colon?
Anyway steer away from Dickens. Hemingway is your man. H
As for don't or doesn't. Either will work for plural entities. I wouldn't be a bore and insist. However if we are in a debate about proper grammar, don't is better.
Reducing the value and success of iPhone only to subsidies is wearing a bit thin.
Nobody is saying it is only subsidies. Where prices are the same, people often choose the iPhone over other phones, which proves it is desirable.
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At the same time, it is impossible to ignore the importance of subsidies, or other inducements, to iPhone sales.
In the US, Cricket tried to sell non subsidized iPhones for their network. Within six months, they were facing $100 million of unsold stock.
In Japan, the iPhone barely sold for years, until it was offered for free (or nearly so) as part of a contract. Instantly, sales jumped, just as one would expect.
In India, the iPhone sold even less for years, until Apple started offering trade-ins and payment plans. Result: a four-fold increase in sales, although still small in comparison to the population, due to the price still being high.
For that matter, people forget that sales of the original unsubsidized iPhone quickly dropped off in the USA, and Apple had to infamously drop the price by $200 to get sales going again. Even so, sales dipped again and didn't improve until the iPhone 3G came out with a subsidy. Bam. Instant success.
The reason I'm coming back to this is partly because I ran across an analysis that points out the easily visible correlation of subsidies to iPhone sales, and thought you might be interested:
It's not just Apple, of course. Any high priced device will do better with subsidies.
However, there will always be places without subsidies. That's why so many are calling on Apple to develop a lower priced model. It's looking like they'll do it.
Hopefully if the rumors of the "budget iPhone" are true it will gain even more of the market share as well. I think the budget iPhone would allow those that can't afford the high level models a great chance to see what the iPhone/Apple experience is all about and ultimately get the to switch from Android to iOS.
As far as a budget phone. What's the price for a used iPhone 4S when the iPhone 5 got announced?
I had a budget when I bought my phone and I had the choice of iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S. I knew the iPhone 5 was going to be released about 9 months later, but I needed a phone (first smartphone) so I wanted something that I could use until the iPhone 5 came out to see if I would just cruise along and then upgrade because paying additional money for the 4S didn't make sense to me, even though it's a better phone. if I wanted an unlocked phone and had little money, I'd probably look at a used iPhone model from a reliable source. I'm sure a used 4S will be cheap when the next rev iPhones come out. OR see what else Apple has up their sleeve.
If someone doesn't have much money, chances are they just want something to use that's reliable and not so feature rich compared to what's on the market as the flagship model. So, i might be so inclined to buy a used iPhone that at least runs the latest OS and possibly the next major release OS rather than some gingerbread phone. Haha.
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
True or not true, it's an ugly thought to let pass through your fingers. Samsung's bad taste must not be allowed to prevail over Apple's good taste. The world would be much poorer for it. It would be as if News Corp. became the last extant publisher.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dasanman69
I just don't see that ever happening, nor do I believe it's possible. Being 2nd isn't so bad especially when 3rd and 4th are so far behind. I'm actually pulling for Motorola to get it's act together but I don't think now that Google owns them that it'll happen.
However you view Samsung, it is running solidly in second place. Given that Europe and many parts of Asia seem to prefer Galaxy over iPhone, how can we be sure that these regions won't propel Samsung to the top spot? I am not saying this is guaranteed to happen, I am just saying this is an interesting race with an unpredictable outcome. Arguably, Samsung will be toppled or stymied not by Apple but by other Android vendors. Imagine one of the Chinese vendors rising to the top of Android bunch. In Spain and other European regions, the carriers are quite keen on finding alternatives to Apple and Samsung.
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Originally Posted by stelligent
Do you even understand what he is really trying to say? You can guess but you cannot be sure. Coincidentally, you infer it to agree with your opinion
BTW, I have heard about the British preference for referring to a company as a plural entity. But I don't see that in practice. Articles in the Guardian, Financial Times, etc. all use company names as singular entities.
He doesn't infer anything, he understands English. What I wrote isn't even complicated British English. There is a comma delimited list of the arguments I was refuting, a correctly placed semi-colon where I go on to a different clause. Theoretically I should have used however after the semi-colon but it's not obligatory.
Would it it have been easier for you if I used a full stop rather than a semi-colon?
Anyway steer away from Dickens. Hemingway is your man. H
As for don't or doesn't. Either will work for plural entities. I wouldn't be a bore and insist. However if we are in a debate about proper grammar, don't is better.
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Originally Posted by Carthusia
Reducing the value and success of iPhone only to subsidies is wearing a bit thin.
Nobody is saying it is only subsidies. Where prices are the same, people often choose the iPhone over other phones, which proves it is desirable.
--
At the same time, it is impossible to ignore the importance of subsidies, or other inducements, to iPhone sales.
In the US, Cricket tried to sell non subsidized iPhones for their network. Within six months, they were facing $100 million of unsold stock.
In Japan, the iPhone barely sold for years, until it was offered for free (or nearly so) as part of a contract. Instantly, sales jumped, just as one would expect.
In India, the iPhone sold even less for years, until Apple started offering trade-ins and payment plans. Result: a four-fold increase in sales, although still small in comparison to the population, due to the price still being high.
For that matter, people forget that sales of the original unsubsidized iPhone quickly dropped off in the USA, and Apple had to infamously drop the price by $200 to get sales going again. Even so, sales dipped again and didn't improve until the iPhone 3G came out with a subsidy. Bam. Instant success.
The reason I'm coming back to this is partly because I ran across an analysis that points out the easily visible correlation of subsidies to iPhone sales, and thought you might be interested:
http://betanews.com/2012/06/05/iphone-market-share-heavily-depends-on-carrier-subsidies/
( I added color to help those just skimming.)
It's not just Apple, of course. Any high priced device will do better with subsidies.
However, there will always be places without subsidies. That's why so many are calling on Apple to develop a lower priced model. It's looking like they'll do it.
Regards.
Hopefully if the rumors of the "budget iPhone" are true it will gain even more of the market share as well. I think the budget iPhone would allow those that can't afford the high level models a great chance to see what the iPhone/Apple experience is all about and ultimately get the to switch from Android to iOS.
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As far as a budget phone. What's the price for a used iPhone 4S when the iPhone 5 got announced?
I had a budget when I bought my phone and I had the choice of iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S. I knew the iPhone 5 was going to be released about 9 months later, but I needed a phone (first smartphone) so I wanted something that I could use until the iPhone 5 came out to see if I would just cruise along and then upgrade because paying additional money for the 4S didn't make sense to me, even though it's a better phone. if I wanted an unlocked phone and had little money, I'd probably look at a used iPhone model from a reliable source. I'm sure a used 4S will be cheap when the next rev iPhones come out. OR see what else Apple has up their sleeve.
If someone doesn't have much money, chances are they just want something to use that's reliable and not so feature rich compared to what's on the market as the flagship model. So, i might be so inclined to buy a used iPhone that at least runs the latest OS and possibly the next major release OS rather than some gingerbread phone. Haha.