Basically you want Apple to have hired SEAL team 6 to kill off Samsung's executives and engineers. That's really all they could have done other than what they did.
What a script. Actually it would be ex-SEALs, hired by C. Odo to pull off the caper. Better say "take hostage" rather than k**l, because those chaebol guys have no sense of humor. Neither does the N*A.
He and the SEALS force them to make a 13-inch phone, whereupon pants start falling down through all the 'hoods across the country. Verizon stores are stormed, etc. etc.
But these Samsung phones break easily, causing an increase in their numbers ¡
You can say a lot about Samsung but their phones don't break easily. When I had my Samsung Note I must have dropped it about a half a dozen times without so much as a scratch. My daughter has had to replace her iPhone three times already due to cracked screens. I'm not saying the iPhone aren't well built either I'm just stating what I have personally witnessed. In fact during my daughters birthday party in June I noticed that more then a quarter of the girls iPhone's all had cracks in them, this is probably just kids being kids but it was still an alarming number. There was about 60 kids in my house, which come to think about it, the amazing part is that none of them left my house without a crack, teenage girls :grumble:. My poor dog didn't leave his little house for three days after that ordeal.
Nonsense. You didn't say "Motorola Mobility". You said "Motorola" - which makes an enormous range of products.
Nonsense would be anyone assuming that this discussion on smartphones would be including Motorola rather than Motorola Mobility. :rolleyes: You're being excessively petty since the implied company was clear.
Nonsense would be anyone assuming that this discussion on smartphones would be including Motorola rather than Motorola Mobility. :rolleyes: You're being excessively petty since the implied company was clear.
Sorry, when people get facts wrong, they need to be corrected. They also included a non-existient company (Sony-Ericsson) in their list. If someone wants to make a point, they should do it with facts, not made up nonsense. If they're wrong, I can correct them.
Besides, even if you consider only Motorola Mobility, he's still wrong. Motorola Mobility makes a lot more than phones:
- weather radios
- set top boxes
- fitness devices
- baby monitors
- corded and cordless phones
- modems and gateways
No matter how you slice it, his statement was wrong.
Basically you want Apple to have hired SEAL team 6 to kill off Samsung's executives and engineers. That's really all they could have done other than what they did.
Of course they could. They could have put out a midprice and/or low price option to blunt the entry of Samsung (and others) into the marketplace. Allowing them in does more than just siphon profits, it allows Samsung (in this case) to devote profits to chipset design, display panel improvements, other internal features (NFC, etc.) and it creates a wealth of opportunities in the retail chain, giving incentive for vendors to open stores, kiosks, and for carriers (with hidden rebates) to push Samsung models over Apple's.
Yes, that means some models with fewer features (like the iPod nano vs original iPod, or the MacBook with a plastic case vs the MacBook Pro) at lower price points, but it's a very large segment of the market which Apple has simply GIVEN AWAY by not competing in it. The reason for their dominance in iPods was because they brought out models to cover every budget. With iPhones (and now iPads) they have, for some bizarre reason, chosen to serve only the high end. Well, you can be Mercedes if you want, but you are not going to have the profits of Ford, and eventually you are going to be a niche provider.
Sorry, when people get facts wrong, they need to be corrected. They also included a non-existient company (Sony-Ericsson) in their list. If someone wants to make a point, they should do it with facts, not made up nonsense. If they're wrong, I can correct them.
Besides, even if you consider only Motorola Mobility, he's still wrong. Motorola Mobility makes a lot more than phones:
- weather radios
- set top boxes
- fitness devices
- baby monitors
- corded and cordless phones
- modems and gateways
No matter how you slice it, his statement was wrong.
Your statement is wrong too. Google announced the sale of it's Motorola Mobility Home Division, which included the set-top boxes you refer to, last December for a bit more than $2B. It may also have included the baby monitors. land-line phones and modems but I've not bothered to verify that. I know you appreciate the correction since that's what you want all of us to do, politely of course.
If you're scrambling to prove you're still right since the sale hasn't close yet, I'll save you the time and effort. The sale was completed in April.
Strategy Analytics had to compare Samsung's entire PC and device business with only half of Apple's.Strategy Analytics had to compare Samsung's entire PC and device business with only half of Apple's.
Strategy Analytics got their figures by comparing them TWICE!
Your statement is wrong too. Google announced the sale of it's Motorola Mobility Home Division, which included the set-top boxes you refer to, last December for a bit more than $2B. It may also have included the baby monitors. land-line phones and modems but I've not bothered to verify that. I know you appreciate the correction since that's what you want all of us to do, politely of course.
If you're scrambling to prove you're still right since the sale hasn't close yet, I'll save you the time and effort. The sale was completed in April.
Go to the Motorola Mobility site - they still list all those other products (baby monitors, set top boxes, cable modems, etc) on their site.
Furthermore, what in the world does that have to do with the analysis that people are trying to do based on HISTORICAL numbers?
Your statement is wrong too. Google announced the sale of it's Motorola Mobility Home Division, which included the set-top boxes you refer to, last December for a bit more than $2B. It may also have included the baby monitors. land-line phones and modems but I've not bothered to verify that. I know you appreciate the correction since that's what you want all of us to do, politely of course.
If you're scrambling to prove you're still right since the sale hasn't close yet, I'll save you the time and effort. The sale was completed in April.
I don't know the exact argument here being discussed, but I noticed this list;
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Besides, even if you consider only Motorola Mobility, he's still wrong. Motorola Mobility makes a lot more than phones:
- weather radios
- set top boxes
- fitness devices
- baby monitors
- corded and cordless phones
- modems and gateways
Weather radios and baby monitors? Other than set top boxes (which is iffy) and, well really nothing on that list anymore - - this doesn't seem like a thriving growth industry to be in.
Note that Google cancelled its ambitious "Android TV" and went with the less exciting "ChromeTV" and likely they are selling it at a loss for $35.
If they are selling off Motorola Mobility and it's crown jewel is "set top boxes" -- it's clear that Google is looking at companies like Apple making the next generation of Smart TV devices (standalone, rather than coupled with the display) as the future.
They haven't gone out and said; "Apple will own the smart TV business" -- but all their actions show they have read the tea leaves and realize they can't compete at the top and there is no future growth in Motorola Mobility.
My apologies to anyone who has bought this lemon, but I bought a bunch of stock a long time ago in Lucent -- I feel your pain.
I am not a fan of these Market Research Firms or Consulting Firms. They regulalry misguide general people and their customers alike. It's a shame people refuse to think themselves and outsource that to other who are clearly incompetent.
Now, it seems Strategy Analytics is fighting for the crown.
LOL. I agree with you.
I believe it used to be called "Gartner Group" -- but then his dog died, and it's hard to group one dude on a laptop. He gives the best industry opinions you can buy, and his rates are reasonable if you want him to change his mind.
Go to the Motorola Mobility site - they still list all those other products (baby monitors, set top boxes, cable modems, etc) on their site.
Furthermore, what in the world does that have to do with the analysis that people are trying to do based on HISTORICAL numbers?
Sorry. I thought you suggested that when posters get their facts wrong it should be pointed out. So this is the way you respond to a correction then? I usually offer a thank you, and a touch of humility.
Actually, they don't if you consider the right Motorola.
From Wikipedia: "On February 11, 2010, Motorola announced its separation into two independent, publicly traded companies,effective Q1 2011. The official split occurred at around 12:00 pm EST on January 4, 2011. The two new companies are calledMotorola Mobility (owned by Google; cell phone and cable television equipment company) and Motorola Solutions (NYSE: MSI; Government and Enterprise Business)."
And if you think Motorola's Set Top Box business is significant: "On April 17, ARRIS Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: ARRS) announced that it completed its acquisition of the Motorola Home business from a subsidiary of Google Inc."
So, now Motorola Mobility is selling cellphones only. And not making a lot of them either:)
But these Samsung phones break easily, causing an increase in their numbers ¡
They certainly don't... If anything, the most accident prone phones I have found based on my experience walking around is iPhone and iPod Touch break the most. Well, the glass cracks.
I have had an iPhone 4 for about 3 years, and no problems.... It makes me wonder how people break them.... *sighs*
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Sorry. I thought you suggested that when posters get their facts wrong it should be pointed out. So this is the way you respond to a correction then? I usually offer a thank you, and a touch of humility.
You obviously should have been able to read his mind and know what me meant.
Just let them bark for a while. They are in the "denial" phase of the five stage of grief -- their grief will be manifestated in anger, depression, bargaining and acceptance as Samsung's rising profit triumphs Apple declining profit. Apple 4Q is going to suffer further decline in anticipation of new product release in 1Q 2014.
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What a script. Actually it would be ex-SEALs, hired by C. Odo to pull off the caper. Better say "take hostage" rather than k**l, because those chaebol guys have no sense of humor. Neither does the N*A.
He and the SEALS force them to make a 13-inch phone, whereupon pants start falling down through all the 'hoods across the country. Verizon stores are stormed, etc. etc.
I have not read anything other than the headline.
Just want to say that it is all about Wall Street Game!
It is about time and Apple will rip the faces of naysayers
SonyEricsson no longer exists, Sony make phones, Ericsson make network equipment.
You can say a lot about Samsung but their phones don't break easily. When I had my Samsung Note I must have dropped it about a half a dozen times without so much as a scratch. My daughter has had to replace her iPhone three times already due to cracked screens. I'm not saying the iPhone aren't well built either I'm just stating what I have personally witnessed. In fact during my daughters birthday party in June I noticed that more then a quarter of the girls iPhone's all had cracks in them, this is probably just kids being kids but it was still an alarming number. There was about 60 kids in my house, which come to think about it, the amazing part is that none of them left my house without a crack, teenage girls :grumble:. My poor dog didn't leave his little house for three days after that ordeal.
Nonsense would be anyone assuming that this discussion on smartphones would be including Motorola rather than Motorola Mobility. :rolleyes: You're being excessively petty since the implied company was clear.
Sorry, when people get facts wrong, they need to be corrected. They also included a non-existient company (Sony-Ericsson) in their list. If someone wants to make a point, they should do it with facts, not made up nonsense. If they're wrong, I can correct them.
Besides, even if you consider only Motorola Mobility, he's still wrong. Motorola Mobility makes a lot more than phones:
- weather radios
- set top boxes
- fitness devices
- baby monitors
- corded and cordless phones
- modems and gateways
No matter how you slice it, his statement was wrong.
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Basically you want Apple to have hired SEAL team 6 to kill off Samsung's executives and engineers. That's really all they could have done other than what they did.
Of course they could. They could have put out a midprice and/or low price option to blunt the entry of Samsung (and others) into the marketplace. Allowing them in does more than just siphon profits, it allows Samsung (in this case) to devote profits to chipset design, display panel improvements, other internal features (NFC, etc.) and it creates a wealth of opportunities in the retail chain, giving incentive for vendors to open stores, kiosks, and for carriers (with hidden rebates) to push Samsung models over Apple's.
Yes, that means some models with fewer features (like the iPod nano vs original iPod, or the MacBook with a plastic case vs the MacBook Pro) at lower price points, but it's a very large segment of the market which Apple has simply GIVEN AWAY by not competing in it. The reason for their dominance in iPods was because they brought out models to cover every budget. With iPhones (and now iPads) they have, for some bizarre reason, chosen to serve only the high end. Well, you can be Mercedes if you want, but you are not going to have the profits of Ford, and eventually you are going to be a niche provider.
Your statement is wrong too. Google announced the sale of it's Motorola Mobility Home Division, which included the set-top boxes you refer to, last December for a bit more than $2B. It may also have included the baby monitors. land-line phones and modems but I've not bothered to verify that. I know you appreciate the correction since that's what you want all of us to do, politely of course.
If you're scrambling to prove you're still right since the sale hasn't close yet, I'll save you the time and effort. The sale was completed in April.
Oh, I see the confusion here;
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Strategy Analytics had to compare Samsung's entire PC and device business with only half of Apple's.
Strategy Analytics got their figures by comparing them TWICE!
Go to the Motorola Mobility site - they still list all those other products (baby monitors, set top boxes, cable modems, etc) on their site.
Furthermore, what in the world does that have to do with the analysis that people are trying to do based on HISTORICAL numbers?
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Your statement is wrong too. Google announced the sale of it's Motorola Mobility Home Division, which included the set-top boxes you refer to, last December for a bit more than $2B. It may also have included the baby monitors. land-line phones and modems but I've not bothered to verify that. I know you appreciate the correction since that's what you want all of us to do, politely of course.
If you're scrambling to prove you're still right since the sale hasn't close yet, I'll save you the time and effort. The sale was completed in April.
I don't know the exact argument here being discussed, but I noticed this list;
Quote:
Besides, even if you consider only Motorola Mobility, he's still wrong. Motorola Mobility makes a lot more than phones:
- weather radios
- set top boxes
- fitness devices
- baby monitors
- corded and cordless phones
- modems and gateways
Weather radios and baby monitors? Other than set top boxes (which is iffy) and, well really nothing on that list anymore - - this doesn't seem like a thriving growth industry to be in.
Now a cordless buggy whip -- that has potential!
Note that Google cancelled its ambitious "Android TV" and went with the less exciting "ChromeTV" and likely they are selling it at a loss for $35.
If they are selling off Motorola Mobility and it's crown jewel is "set top boxes" -- it's clear that Google is looking at companies like Apple making the next generation of Smart TV devices (standalone, rather than coupled with the display) as the future.
They haven't gone out and said; "Apple will own the smart TV business" -- but all their actions show they have read the tea leaves and realize they can't compete at the top and there is no future growth in Motorola Mobility.
My apologies to anyone who has bought this lemon, but I bought a bunch of stock a long time ago in Lucent -- I feel your pain.
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Originally Posted by Tsun Zu
I am not a fan of these Market Research Firms or Consulting Firms. They regulalry misguide general people and their customers alike. It's a shame people refuse to think themselves and outsource that to other who are clearly incompetent.
I always thought Gartner is the prime culprit. Look here (http://www.zdnet.com/why-does-the-it-industry-continue-to-listen-to-gartner-7000001394/). The conclusion is a classic: In early 2009, Gartner projects “sharpest unit decline in history.” At the end of the year, it reports “strongest growth rate in seven years.”
Now, it seems Strategy Analytics is fighting for the crown.
LOL. I agree with you.
I believe it used to be called "Gartner Group" -- but then his dog died, and it's hard to group one dude on a laptop. He gives the best industry opinions you can buy, and his rates are reasonable if you want him to change his mind.
Sorry. I thought you suggested that when posters get their facts wrong it should be pointed out. So this is the way you respond to a correction then? I usually offer a thank you, and a touch of humility.
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Originally Posted by Tsun Zu
Actually, they don't if you consider the right Motorola.
From Wikipedia: "On February 11, 2010, Motorola announced its separation into two independent, publicly traded companies, effective Q1 2011. The official split occurred at around 12:00 pm EST on January 4, 2011. The two new companies are called Motorola Mobility (owned by Google; cell phone and cable television equipment company) and Motorola Solutions (NYSE: MSI; Government and Enterprise Business)."
And if you think Motorola's Set Top Box business is significant: "On April 17, ARRIS Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: ARRS) announced that it completed its acquisition of the Motorola Home business from a subsidiary of Google Inc."
So, now Motorola Mobility is selling cellphones only. And not making a lot of them either:)
Let me narrow down your quote now....
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Originally Posted by Tsun Zu
Motorola Mobility (owned by Google; cell phone and cable television equipment company)
So, now Motorola Mobility is selling cellphones only. And not making a lot of them either:)
WHAT? THIS MAKES NO SENSE."
Please, PLEASE, If your going to say things, try to make them, well, understandable.
-QAMF
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
But these Samsung phones break easily, causing an increase in their numbers ¡
They certainly don't... If anything, the most accident prone phones I have found based on my experience walking around is iPhone and iPod Touch break the most. Well, the glass cracks.
I have had an iPhone 4 for about 3 years, and no problems.... It makes me wonder how people break them.... *sighs*
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Sorry. I thought you suggested that when posters get their facts wrong it should be pointed out. So this is the way you respond to a correction then? I usually offer a thank you, and a touch of humility.
You obviously should have been able to read his mind and know what me meant.
DUH
/s
-QAMF
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Originally Posted by RichL
So, when the numbers look good for Apple, you're happy to declare that Apple takes the lion share of smartphone profits but now that they might look good for Samsung.... it's impossible to calculate anyone's profits accurately?
Funny stuff.
Just let them bark for a while. They are in the "denial" phase of the five stage of grief -- their grief will be manifestated in anger, depression, bargaining and acceptance as Samsung's rising profit triumphs Apple declining profit.