It is interesting isn't it, a 'phone maker touting it's device camera capabilities? What next - Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Hasselblad effusing about their toast-making capabilities?
Obviously the camera wasn't *THE* deciding factor in my choosing an iPhone, but for my wife and me it actually was *A* factor. I wanted to quit carrying a point-n-shoot and my wife wanted to be able to grab a quick video here and there without having to get out the camcorder. So in our case the camera was part of what drew our attention to the iPhone in the first place. It we were now where we were then, we would probably give the Nokia a look based on that ad.
They seem to be taking a cue from Microsoft in comparing themselves to Apple directly in their ads. I don't get why they are focusing on Apple on not Samsung. They'd convince Galaxy S4 buyers over to a Lumia much more easily - the quality of the photos shown here look terrible on the S4:
There's still a lot of grain in a few of the pictures. Picture 9 for example is tragic because the girl in the photo is beautiful but the Lumia has failed to capture the scene adequately:
Pictures 13 and 14 have grain all over the sky too. I expect it will produce better pictures than last year's iPhone 5 as it's clearly an area they've spent a lot of time on but there's still work to be done with mobile cameras.
The Lumia ran out of battery quite quickly shooting photos too:
"My fully charged 1020 with wireless enabled but no calls placed or received, made it through only one and a half hours and 142 image captures (with the 5MP+38MP option enabed) before the battery drained to 9%."
Apple tends to make compromises in each area to give the best all-round experience.
So what do you say about Apple having an ad that goes on about people taking photos with iPhones?
Apple is just presenting facts.
Lots of people bought iPhones over the past few years. They took so many pictures that the iPhone ended up being the #1 camera in the world. It was organic. It just happened.
Now Apple is simply stating that in a commercial "Every day, more photos are taken with the iPhone than any other camera."
A good camera makes a good camera, it doesn't make a good phone.
Maybe Nokia should go into making cameras.
All the complaints about touting camera performance are ridiculous.
A better camera WILL help sell phones. If your existing cell phone does everything you want and IF (that's a big 'if' since it hasn't been proven that their camera is much better) someone offers you a new cell phone that also does everything you want, but has a significantly better camera, why wouldn't you consider it? You'd balance the pluses against the minuses. If everything else is equal, the better camera might be enough to sway the decision.
And lots of people DO take a lot of pictures on their cell phones. I no longer use a point and shoot camera and only rarely take my SLR digital camera out.
41 megapixels.. in a tiny pin head sensor. Anyone who has any remote ideas about camera sensor size vs MP rating will just sigh in disgust. Even 8 MP is ridiculous.
That's certainly true - and it will be interesting to see the side-by-side reviews of the pictures from both cameras. I suspect that the Nokia will be better some times and the iPhone will be better some times.
They make a good case in those particular shots. I'm pretty happy with the iPhone 5 pic quality. That said, comparing the shots in this commercial the knock-ia shots are better. I had no idea they did Zeiss lenses, motion blur and action shots. Those are all very cool.
As to motion blur and action shots, there are apps for that for the iphone so these points are grossly misleading marketing BS!
who the **** buys a cellphone based off how good the camera is? stupid fucks who spit in the face of the establishment (Apple & Android) and buy from the little guy (Microsoft). I have no faith left in America, we are a stupid people
Hey Nokia, since you have a 41 Megapixel camera, go slam Hasselblad, they charge $18K for a 40 Megapixel camera. Yeah right, like someone that uses Hasselblad cameras give a rat's ass about a Nokia phone.
Apple tends to make compromises in each area to give the best all-round experience.
I hadn't thought about that. I guess sometimes a design engineer may choose to implement a less-than-state-of-the-art component if using something better would have a negative affect on something else, and that negative affect outweighs the benefits of using it.
Like, say, using a lesser camera so that the user isn't stuck with a dead phone halfway through the day because taking all those fabulous pictures drained the battery.
Picture 9 for example is tragic because the girl in the photo is beautiful but the Lumia has failed to capture the scene adequately:
Even the most expensive DSLR cannot capture the scene adequately when the white balance filter is trying to correct for multiple light sources at the same time such as diode flash, incandescent, halogen, fluorescent, television, neon sign, fireplace, etc, which appears to be the situation in the example photo.
who the **** buys a cellphone based off how good the camera is? stupid fucks who spit in the face of the establishment (Apple & Android) and buy from the little guy (Microsoft). I have no faith left in America, we are a stupid people
Hate to break it to you but "it" hasn't been "a cellphone" for many years now.
What people are buying now, despite refering to it as a "smartphone," is actually a "pocketable, networked supercomputer with a variety of environmental sensors," including GPS, camera, compass, gyros, etc. And they are buying them to meet highly individualized needs of all kinds (they don't limit themselves to your imagination.)
Obviously the camera wasn't *THE* deciding factor in my choosing an iPhone, but for my wife and me it actually was *A* factor. I wanted to quit carrying a point-n-shoot and my wife wanted to be able to grab a quick video here and there without having to get out the camcorder. So in our case the camera was part of what drew our attention to the iPhone in the first place. It we were now where we were then, we would probably give the Nokia a look based on that ad.
Nokia is also anxious to show it's performance over Apple's last year's iPhone because Apple will be upgrading the camera output in iOS7. This is similar to Microsoft poking fun of the year old iPad because it can't show a movie while the user creates a PowerPoint. MS knows Apple will be making it possible for third-party developers to do multitasking with their apps in a couple months... need to get in their "advantage" before it evaporates.
I wonder who is doing worse, Blackberry or Nokia ?
There is that place called Internet, and all sort of info can be found there.
Nokia is doing much better than Blackberry - in fact, it is growing Lumia sales faster than Apple and all Android OEMs were doing in the same time-frame (relative to their platform release). Considering that WP8 is out for less than a year, and WP7 was self-sacrificed with early announcement of WP8 (and lack of upgrade path for WP7 devices), I'd say Nokia is on a right path.
Lumia 920 was voted best smartphone in 2012 by Engadget readers, and Windows Phone 8 has higher user satisfaction than Android - in fact, is competing well with iOS. You will find sources where iOS has upper hand and sources where WP8 has upper hand in customers' satisfaction ratings. Regardless of your rage in that other post, Windows Phone 8 is excellent smartphone OS; problem is not with Windows Phone 8, it works great on phones - but with Windows 8 and MS trying to transfer same GUI to desktop/laptops.
Hate to break it to you but "it" hasn't been "a cellphone" for many years now.
What people are buying now, despite refering to it as a "smartphone," is actually a "pocketable, networked supercomputer with a variety of environmental sensors," including GPS, camera, compass, gyros, etc. And they are buying them to meet highly individualized needs of all kinds (they don't limit themselves to your imagination.)
People are funny, aren't they? I remember so many people raving about iPhone 4, 4s and 5 cameras when they first appeared, predicting imminent death of digital cameras as everyone will be using smartphones because "... the best camera is the one you have with you" and all that... and now that there are better cameras on the smartphone around, suddenly who cares about camera on a phone?!?
You mean like adding fingerprint sensors? All the manufacturers are trying to find the next big differentiating feature. Apple blanketed the airwaves with Siri, a gimmicky, slow, busted feature, enticing you to use it because Zoey Deschanel is.
Let's see: Zoey Deschanel in her sleep wear, on a sleepy rainy morning... I'm all over that like a blanket.
Nokia is also anxious to show it's performance over Apple's last year's iPhone because Apple will be upgrading the camera output in iOS7. This is similar to Microsoft poking fun of the year old iPad because it can't show a movie while the user creates a PowerPoint. MS knows Apple will be making it possible for third-party developers to do multitasking with their apps in a couple months... need to get in their "advantage" before it evaporates.
Well of course, you play to your advantages while you have them. I recall Apple putting good emphasis on iPhone's Retina display, but now that so many phones are offering higher resolutions and DPI, advertising focus has moved elsewhere. But if Apple regains res/DPI crown with some Retina+ upgrade in the future, I have no doubts they will not fail to market on that.
Everyone advertise what makes their product better, or at least can be perceived as such.
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I've said this before & i'll say it again.
I like the camera in the Lumia 920, it works really well, too bad it's wrapped in a massive chunky nokia & too bad its running windows phone 8...
In my desk draw at work i have the 920, no one wanted it so i play with it sometimes, see what apps are on the MS app thingy, still nothing...
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Originally Posted by Sumergo
It is interesting isn't it, a 'phone maker touting it's device camera capabilities? What next - Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Hasselblad effusing about their toast-making capabilities?
Obviously the camera wasn't *THE* deciding factor in my choosing an iPhone, but for my wife and me it actually was *A* factor. I wanted to quit carrying a point-n-shoot and my wife wanted to be able to grab a quick video here and there without having to get out the camcorder. So in our case the camera was part of what drew our attention to the iPhone in the first place. It we were now where we were then, we would probably give the Nokia a look based on that ad.
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There's an image gallery at the bottom of the following site of low-light samples from the 1020:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/amadoudiallo/2013/07/24/nokia-lumia-1020-low-light-images/
There's still a lot of grain in a few of the pictures. Picture 9 for example is tragic because the girl in the photo is beautiful but the Lumia has failed to capture the scene adequately:
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Pictures 13 and 14 have grain all over the sky too. I expect it will produce better pictures than last year's iPhone 5 as it's clearly an area they've spent a lot of time on but there's still work to be done with mobile cameras.
The Lumia ran out of battery quite quickly shooting photos too:
"My fully charged 1020 with wireless enabled but no calls placed or received, made it through only one and a half hours and 142 image captures (with the 5MP+38MP option enabed) before the battery drained to 9%."
Apple tends to make compromises in each area to give the best all-round experience.
Apple is just presenting facts.
Lots of people bought iPhones over the past few years. They took so many pictures that the iPhone ended up being the #1 camera in the world. It was organic. It just happened.
Now Apple is simply stating that in a commercial "Every day, more photos are taken with the iPhone than any other camera."
If I was Apple... I'd be pretty proud if that.
All the complaints about touting camera performance are ridiculous.
A better camera WILL help sell phones. If your existing cell phone does everything you want and IF (that's a big 'if' since it hasn't been proven that their camera is much better) someone offers you a new cell phone that also does everything you want, but has a significantly better camera, why wouldn't you consider it? You'd balance the pluses against the minuses. If everything else is equal, the better camera might be enough to sway the decision.
And lots of people DO take a lot of pictures on their cell phones. I no longer use a point and shoot camera and only rarely take my SLR digital camera out.
That's certainly true - and it will be interesting to see the side-by-side reviews of the pictures from both cameras. I suspect that the Nokia will be better some times and the iPhone will be better some times.
As to motion blur and action shots, there are apps for that for the iphone so these points are grossly misleading marketing BS!
HEY NOKIA. PRESS RELEASE.
Windows OS SUCKS, and no one is writing any apps for it. Plus there is not many people buying into the platform.
Why don't you attack Android phones instead, it's lot easier.
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Originally Posted by sackofnouns
who the **** buys a cellphone based off how good the camera is? stupid fucks who spit in the face of the establishment (Apple & Android) and buy from the little guy (Microsoft). I have no faith left in America, we are a stupid people
Hey Nokia, since you have a 41 Megapixel camera, go slam Hasselblad, they charge $18K for a 40 Megapixel camera. Yeah right, like someone that uses Hasselblad cameras give a rat's ass about a Nokia phone.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
Apple tends to make compromises in each area to give the best all-round experience.
I hadn't thought about that. I guess sometimes a design engineer may choose to implement a less-than-state-of-the-art component if using something better would have a negative affect on something else, and that negative affect outweighs the benefits of using it.
Like, say, using a lesser camera so that the user isn't stuck with a dead phone halfway through the day because taking all those fabulous pictures drained the battery.
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Originally Posted by Paul94544
No Kia, no I don't own a Kia!
I know! The dude in the commercial pronounced the name wrong!
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Originally Posted by Marvin
Picture 9 for example is tragic because the girl in the photo is beautiful but the Lumia has failed to capture the scene adequately:
Even the most expensive DSLR cannot capture the scene adequately when the white balance filter is trying to correct for multiple light sources at the same time such as diode flash, incandescent, halogen, fluorescent, television, neon sign, fireplace, etc, which appears to be the situation in the example photo.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
Nokia? Don't they make furniture?
Yeah, but you have to put it together yourself...
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Originally Posted by sackofnouns
who the **** buys a cellphone based off how good the camera is? stupid fucks who spit in the face of the establishment (Apple & Android) and buy from the little guy (Microsoft). I have no faith left in America, we are a stupid people
Hate to break it to you but "it" hasn't been "a cellphone" for many years now.
What people are buying now, despite refering to it as a "smartphone," is actually a "pocketable, networked supercomputer with a variety of environmental sensors," including GPS, camera, compass, gyros, etc. And they are buying them to meet highly individualized needs of all kinds (they don't limit themselves to your imagination.)
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Originally Posted by v5v
Obviously the camera wasn't *THE* deciding factor in my choosing an iPhone, but for my wife and me it actually was *A* factor. I wanted to quit carrying a point-n-shoot and my wife wanted to be able to grab a quick video here and there without having to get out the camcorder. So in our case the camera was part of what drew our attention to the iPhone in the first place. It we were now where we were then, we would probably give the Nokia a look based on that ad.
Nokia is also anxious to show it's performance over Apple's last year's iPhone because Apple will be upgrading the camera output in iOS7. This is similar to Microsoft poking fun of the year old iPad because it can't show a movie while the user creates a PowerPoint. MS knows Apple will be making it possible for third-party developers to do multitasking with their apps in a couple months... need to get in their "advantage" before it evaporates.
There is that place called Internet, and all sort of info can be found there.
Nokia is doing much better than Blackberry - in fact, it is growing Lumia sales faster than Apple and all Android OEMs were doing in the same time-frame (relative to their platform release). Considering that WP8 is out for less than a year, and WP7 was self-sacrificed with early announcement of WP8 (and lack of upgrade path for WP7 devices), I'd say Nokia is on a right path.
Lumia 920 was voted best smartphone in 2012 by Engadget readers, and Windows Phone 8 has higher user satisfaction than Android - in fact, is competing well with iOS. You will find sources where iOS has upper hand and sources where WP8 has upper hand in customers' satisfaction ratings. Regardless of your rage in that other post, Windows Phone 8 is excellent smartphone OS; problem is not with Windows Phone 8, it works great on phones - but with Windows 8 and MS trying to transfer same GUI to desktop/laptops.
People are funny, aren't they? I remember so many people raving about iPhone 4, 4s and 5 cameras when they first appeared, predicting imminent death of digital cameras as everyone will be using smartphones because "... the best camera is the one you have with you" and all that... and now that there are better cameras on the smartphone around, suddenly who cares about camera on a phone?!?
Silly.
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Originally Posted by rjc999
You mean like adding fingerprint sensors? All the manufacturers are trying to find the next big differentiating feature. Apple blanketed the airwaves with Siri, a gimmicky, slow, busted feature, enticing you to use it because Zoey Deschanel is.
Let's see: Zoey Deschanel in her sleep wear, on a sleepy rainy morning... I'm all over that like a blanket.
Well of course, you play to your advantages while you have them. I recall Apple putting good emphasis on iPhone's Retina display, but now that so many phones are offering higher resolutions and DPI, advertising focus has moved elsewhere. But if Apple regains res/DPI crown with some Retina+ upgrade in the future, I have no doubts they will not fail to market on that.
Everyone advertise what makes their product better, or at least can be perceived as such.