This Nokia ad is implying Apple builds their phone cameras for quantity, not quality which is really kind of a pathetic way of spinning high sales volume in to a negative. And rather than creating a really compelling ad about their product Nokia decided to just do a lame parody of an existing Apple ad. Which is neither creative, nor funny.
People are funny, aren't they? I remember so many people raving about iPhone 4, 4s and 5 cameras when they first appeared, predicting imminent death of digital cameras as everyone will be using smartphones because "... the best camera is the one you have with you" and all that... and now that there are better cameras on the smartphone around, suddenly who cares about camera on a phone?!?
Silly.
I remember Nokia and their fans saying the iPhone was dead because it's 2 megapixel camera was no match for their crop of Carl Zeiss equipped 5 megapixel camera phones.
Of course we now know how well that went.
btw Nokia has had exclusive rights to use the Carl Zeiss name on camera phones for many years now.
So when Apple mentions the competition they're being defensive, but when Samsung, Microsoft, Nokia etc. go after Apple the tech press never uses the word defensive. I have yet to see the Verge, Engadget, cnet, etc. refer to any Apple bashing ad as being defensive.
Apple's the big dog. It comes with the territory. When small players go after the big dog it's typically seen as an offensive ( ) move and when the big dog responds to a challenger it's viewed more as defensive, protecting their turf. At least that's the way I usually read it.
Hmmm, if you take 1080p video with your iPhone you can save the video and see it frame by frame. sort of like what the ad shows since mov can be displayed on macs in a frame by frame mode.
Not a camera expert, but if you want to push the camera, I would say that you need an average person to take the pictures and have them compared not some Nokia pro, wanting to make the iPhone look bad.
Also, remember you can set your iPhone to take multi shot photos for the best image.
Apple's the big dog. It comes with the territory. When small players go after the big dog it's typically seen as an offensive ( ) move and when the big dog responds to a challenger it's viewed more as defensive, protecting their turf. At least that's the way I usually read it.
You mean like adding fingerprint sensors? All the manufacturers are trying to find the next big differentiating feature. Apple blanketed the airwaves with Siri, a gimmicky, slow, busted feature, enticing you to use it because Zoey Deschanel is.
41 megapixels.. in a tiny pin head sensor. Anyone who has any remote ideas about camera sensor size vs MP rating will just sigh in disgust. Even 8 MP is ridiculous.
The sensors used in the Nokia 808 and 1020 are the largest in the industry, a little larger then a pen head.
I love it too. What I found very disturbing was that dpreview had an article 2 weeks ago entitled "What the new Nexus 7 tablet means for photographers".
hmm.. let me think now..
1. it has 16x9 aspect ratio which does not match any common photos aspect ratio; check
2. it limited RAM and storage to process RAW files; check
3. it has relative slow CPU compared to a laptop for processing RAW; check
4. it can not read SD cards directly; check
5. It can't act as a live view screen; check
What the heck CAN it do for me vs a full size iPad? It least the iPad has a compatible aspect ratio for reviewing photos and colors which are at least not too far off.
after all this, they somehow thought it was the greatest thing for photographers since sliced bread. :err: . I have no ideal why they though it would be a useful tool. As a result, that web site lost some credibility with me.
I think they were referring to the many camera utilities for Android that do support live viewing, remote shots, real-time photo transfers (RAW included), ISO changes, Zooming, etc. it utilizes the WIFI and/or USB. You can do the same sort of things with an iPad too but I think they liked the portable size of the new 1080P Nexus 7, I do have to admit that the screen is much nicer than the one found in the iPad Mini so maybe that's what they were referring too. I don't know just guessing.
I personally use Remote Your Cam USB with my Canon, works flawlessly and quickly with RAW, I don't no why you said it was slow.
Maybe read up on how it actually works, the end photo is only 8MP (or was it 5MP?). However, essentially, it allows you to zoom with lossless resolution, since you start with 41MP.
It's mostly an algorithm thing if I understand it. Seems interesting.
It shoots always in two resolutions, 41MP then what you select the output to be, 3MP, 5MP, 8MP 34MP, 38MP and I think 12MP as my Nokia 808 can shoot at that resolution. 5MP is the standard output as that is where you get the lossless resolution and oversampling Pureview tech.
Any reason why not simply just sell the iPhone 4. Its worth money you know. I sell my iPhones when I am due for an upgrade. I end up getting enough to pay for the new iPhone upgrade.
Maybe you can do the same with the Nokia 920 to pay for your 1020 upgrade for free when you are eligible for an upgrade. Right?
I would just sell both phones and then buy the 1020 off contract and unlocked.
It is interesting isn't it, a 'phone maker touting it's device camera capabilities? What next - Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Hasselblad effusing about their toast-making capabilities?
I think you'll find that "talking to another person on a phone" usage of smartphones is not the primary use. It still may have been when the iPhone was introduced, but not anymore. Texting, Tweeting Facebook, Photos, Web Surfing, Apps, etc. (in no particular order) are all used more than the phone itself. And with the zillions of photos taken each day, photo quality is important. I don't think you'd be making the statement you made if it had been Apple that had improved the camera.
As for Canon and Nikon, they're both in deep trouble because DSLR and Mirrorless sales are declining somewhat and point-and-shoot camera sales are declining rapidly. I don't have my numbers with me, but I believe p-and-s sales are down 30% this year and that's primarily due to smartphones (of all brands). Pentax is practically a non-player and Hasselblad is an esoteric fringe player.
I don't necessarily agree that a high pixel count small sensor is the answer to achieving quality (since noise levels will be high at that photosite density, especially at low ISOs), but the manufacturers who are trying to compete with Apple by appearing to improve the camera are smart. It simply gives a certain segment of people another reason to look at a smartphone that's not Apple. And in the long run, it's good for Apple users because while Apple won't necessarily respond to every "improvement" the competition comes up with, they'll have to respond to at least some, making future Apple phones better.
Apple's the big dog. It comes with the territory. When small players go after the big dog it's typically seen as an offensive ( ) move and when the big dog responds to a challenger it's viewed more as defensive, protecting their turf. At least that's the way I usually read it.
I thought Samsung and Android were the big dogs now, I mean aren't they beating Apple to a pulp in market share?
review which came to the same conclusion as I did about the 1020 lens and also points out a fatal flaw about speed. weird that the dpreview article field to mention this problem. This would be completely unacceptable to me even as a camera phone.
"..The lens is not sharp from edge-to-edge, however. It's quite impressive in the centre and mid-parts of the frame, but as you reach the outer edges and corners things get a bit muddy..."
"We performed our tests in the 4:3 aspect ratio, which puts a bit more stress on the corners of the lens. If you shoot photos at 16:9 the corners will be cropped out of the image, but edges will still appear a bit soft. When looking at photos in web resolution it’s unlikely you’ll notice this; but if you plan on using the 1020 as a more serious photographic tool the limitation will be more obvious in prints or at large screen resolutions."
The part which would be unacceptable to me that dpreview failed to mention
"Where the 1020's camera really suffers when compared with a good compact camera is in terms of speed. It takes a full 6.1 seconds to launch Pro Camera and capture a photo. Focusing and firing a shot results in a shutter lag of about 0.7 seconds, though if you are shooting in manual focus mode or if you half-press the shutter to prefocus, the lag dips to a much more usable 0.1 second.
Shot-to-shot time varies based on the file size, but expect to wait about 3.6 seconds between 5-megapixel photos and 4.2 seconds between 38-megapixel shots."
I guess "better quality" takes time and requires cropping out the center of the frame.
41 megapixels.. in a tiny pin head sensor. Anyone who has any remote ideas about camera sensor size vs MP rating will just sigh in disgust. Even 8 MP is ridiculous.
This. I've a Nikon D800 with a sensor that's many,,many multiples of that area (as it's a full size dSLR sensor) with "only" 32 megapixels....
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This Nokia ad is implying Apple builds their phone cameras for quantity, not quality which is really kind of a pathetic way of spinning high sales volume in to a negative. And rather than creating a really compelling ad about their product Nokia decided to just do a lame parody of an existing Apple ad. Which is neither creative, nor funny.
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Originally Posted by nikon133
People are funny, aren't they? I remember so many people raving about iPhone 4, 4s and 5 cameras when they first appeared, predicting imminent death of digital cameras as everyone will be using smartphones because "... the best camera is the one you have with you" and all that... and now that there are better cameras on the smartphone around, suddenly who cares about camera on a phone?!?
Silly.
I remember Nokia and their fans saying the iPhone was dead because it's 2 megapixel camera was no match for their crop of Carl Zeiss equipped 5 megapixel camera phones.
Of course we now know how well that went.
btw Nokia has had exclusive rights to use the Carl Zeiss name on camera phones for many years now.
Apple's the big dog. It comes with the territory. When small players go after the big dog it's typically seen as an offensive (
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Originally Posted by poksi
iPhone 4 brought also other important hardware functionalities that were well promoted in the package, like new form factor, aluminum unibody case...
Stainless steel.
Not a camera expert, but if you want to push the camera, I would say that you need an average person to take the pictures and have them compared not some Nokia pro, wanting to make the iPhone look bad.
Also, remember you can set your iPhone to take multi shot photos for the best image.
Just saying.
I thought Android and Sammy were "winning".
You're thinking of "Slander".
Just wanted to say I'm glad you're banned.
The sensors used in the Nokia 808 and 1020 are the largest in the industry, a little larger then a pen head.
I think they were referring to the many camera utilities for Android that do support live viewing, remote shots, real-time photo transfers (RAW included), ISO changes, Zooming, etc. it utilizes the WIFI and/or USB. You can do the same sort of things with an iPad too but I think they liked the portable size of the new 1080P Nexus 7, I do have to admit that the screen is much nicer than the one found in the iPad Mini so maybe that's what they were referring too. I don't know just guessing.
I personally use Remote Your Cam USB with my Canon, works flawlessly and quickly with RAW, I don't no why you said it was slow.
It shoots always in two resolutions, 41MP then what you select the output to be, 3MP, 5MP, 8MP 34MP, 38MP and I think 12MP as my Nokia 808 can shoot at that resolution. 5MP is the standard output as that is where you get the lossless resolution and oversampling Pureview tech.
I would just sell both phones and then buy the 1020 off contract and unlocked.
Paula Deen, oh no, wait, she needs it to take pictures of her sponsors asses as their walking away
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Originally Posted by Sumergo
It is interesting isn't it, a 'phone maker touting it's device camera capabilities? What next - Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Hasselblad effusing about their toast-making capabilities?
I think you'll find that "talking to another person on a phone" usage of smartphones is not the primary use. It still may have been when the iPhone was introduced, but not anymore. Texting, Tweeting Facebook, Photos, Web Surfing, Apps, etc. (in no particular order) are all used more than the phone itself. And with the zillions of photos taken each day, photo quality is important. I don't think you'd be making the statement you made if it had been Apple that had improved the camera.
As for Canon and Nikon, they're both in deep trouble because DSLR and Mirrorless sales are declining somewhat and point-and-shoot camera sales are declining rapidly. I don't have my numbers with me, but I believe p-and-s sales are down 30% this year and that's primarily due to smartphones (of all brands). Pentax is practically a non-player and Hasselblad is an esoteric fringe player.
I don't necessarily agree that a high pixel count small sensor is the answer to achieving quality (since noise levels will be high at that photosite density, especially at low ISOs), but the manufacturers who are trying to compete with Apple by appearing to improve the camera are smart. It simply gives a certain segment of people another reason to look at a smartphone that's not Apple. And in the long run, it's good for Apple users because while Apple won't necessarily respond to every "improvement" the competition comes up with, they'll have to respond to at least some, making future Apple phones better.
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Originally Posted by Relic
The sensors used in the Nokia 808 and 1020 are the largest in the industry, a little larger then a pen head.
you are right about them being the largest in phones. Pin head was an exaggeration.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Apple's the big dog. It comes with the territory. When small players go after the big dog it's typically seen as an offensive (
I thought Samsung and Android were the big dogs now, I mean aren't they beating Apple to a pulp in market share?
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Originally Posted by Pendergast
I thought Samsung and Android were the big dogs now, I mean aren't they beating Apple to a pulp in market share?
This may sound strange, but I actually don't want Apple to have the biggest market share.
review which came to the same conclusion as I did about the 1020 lens and also points out a fatal flaw about speed. weird that the dpreview article field to mention this problem. This would be completely unacceptable to me even as a camera phone.
http://www.itproportal.com/reviews/mobile-phones/nokia-lumia-1020-review/
lens:
"..The lens is not sharp from edge-to-edge, however. It's quite impressive in the centre and mid-parts of the frame, but as you reach the outer edges and corners things get a bit muddy..."
"We performed our tests in the 4:3 aspect ratio, which puts a bit more stress on the corners of the lens. If you shoot photos at 16:9 the corners will be cropped out of the image, but edges will still appear a bit soft. When looking at photos in web resolution it’s unlikely you’ll notice this; but if you plan on using the 1020 as a more serious photographic tool the limitation will be more obvious in prints or at large screen resolutions."
The part which would be unacceptable to me that dpreview failed to mention
"Where the 1020's camera really suffers when compared with a good compact camera is in terms of speed. It takes a full 6.1 seconds to launch Pro Camera and capture a photo. Focusing and firing a shot results in a shutter lag of about 0.7 seconds, though if you are shooting in manual focus mode or if you half-press the shutter to prefocus, the lag dips to a much more usable 0.1 second.
Shot-to-shot time varies based on the file size, but expect to wait about 3.6 seconds between 5-megapixel photos and 4.2 seconds between 38-megapixel shots."
I guess "better quality" takes time and requires cropping out the center of the frame.
That made me laugh.
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Originally Posted by snova
41 megapixels.. in a tiny pin head sensor. Anyone who has any remote ideas about camera sensor size vs MP rating will just sigh in disgust. Even 8 MP is ridiculous.
This. I've a Nikon D800 with a sensor that's many,,many multiples of that area (as it's a full size dSLR sensor) with "only" 32 megapixels....