I'd rather not have to buy specific and cheap gloves to use my phone. I guess you iPhone users can stick to those.
Seriously? I've seen dozens of different styles at different retailers. As for using leather gloves with a phone, I guess that's why Android users need massive phones (and possibly some screen lube).
Urgh ! I see your ability to comprehend is quite lacking.
What that means is provide functionality when the user wants to go looking for it, and hide it when he doesn't have to see it !
Let me give you a simpler way to put it. Would you prefer a car sales man open up the hood of the car first, before even talking about what the car can do ?
yeah if your a mechanic sure !
Blind fool huh Lol
That's quite the blind fanboi comment there. Why put settings in the settings menu when you can bury them so our dumba$$ iOS users don't go looking for them. This is why Apple has fallen behind. This is why Apple will have a harder time catching up then it should. It's this blind following kool-aid drinking that Apple sees no reason to innovate anymore. I'm done for the day. I've had enough.
I don't see this as being the next big thing of smart phones, don't get me wrong it was a really nice article and it might be nice to have but it is defiantly not a feature that many are seeking. Every Thinkpad I have ever bought has come with one and I am yet to use it, sure, yes having it on the screen is probably more inviting but I will still personally use a password. The smarter these phones get the dumber we become, I have no doubt that people will start forgetting their passwords if they start storing them in the bio-keychain program, they will probably change them less frequently making it easier for hackers. One of the reasons why I don't use Apples Keychain program in OSX, I like memorizing things, it makes me sharper and I it forces me to remember to change my password. This is a neat feature no doubt, I just don't think it will be the game changer that many of you perceive it as. I would probably be more impressed with an optical scanner, maybe that's the next step.
I agree to some extent.
However, it's presence and use could be required by some businesses and enterprises.
And, a reliable, easy-to-use fp identification on a phone or tablet provides incidental, ad hoc advantages for certain activities -- shopping/buying, entry to a secure area or automobile, etc.
I have often stated that I never leave the house without my iPhone, my wallet, and my keys... That's 2 things too many!
And living in NYC in the winter, there are some days you don't want to take off your gloves to have to answer a call and then fumble around to try and put them back on while on the call and your hands start to freeze solid. It's sometimes my favorite feature on my phone.
Ah, New York. Love the city, the restaurants. All good there. Yep, freaking cold it can get.
Good thing Android supports multiple user accounts and whenever I give my phone to anyone, the guest account with no password (and no app download rights) is used where my account is password protected.
That's certainly a stupid way of trying to protect your phone. A better way is in iOS; putting selective restrictions on it. So kids on a guest account can read/delete your email et cetera?
Seriously? I've seen dozens of different styles at different retailers. As for using leather gloves with a phone, I guess that's why Android users need massive phones (and possibly some screen lube).
Walk into a NYC high rise office with those cheap lookin gloves. See how long you last.
You'd think the company that built its empire around being the "in" and trendy device would be the first to adopt these touchscreens.
That's quite the blind fanboi comment there. Why put settings in the settings menu when you can bury them so our dumba$$ iOS users don't go looking for them. This is why Apple has fallen behind. This is why Apple will have a harder time catching up then it should. It's this blind following kool-aid drinking that Apple sees no reason to innovate anymore. I'm done for the day. I've had enough.
I need to cleans my eyes with water every time I read your epitome of Stupidity ! I got better things do with my time as well.
So tell me really how is iOS falling behind with everything they done in iOS 7. Oh holy cow did you know Google's Fixing there Fragmentation problem.. LOL Shame on you
So that's where they are getting their G+ users from
Haha. So true. It's really the only use I've found for it.
That's certainly a stupid way of trying to protect your phone. A better way is in iOS; putting selective restrictions on it. So kids on a guest account can read/delete your email et cetera?
I need to cleans my eyes with water every time I read your epitome of Stupidity ! I got better things do with my time as well.
So tell me really how is iOS falling behind with everything they done in iOS 7. Oh holy cow did you know Google's Fixing there Fragmentation problem.. LOL Shame on you
Everything iOS 7 has done has had a direct influence from Android. That's how.
"Pantech Vega LTE-A IM-A880S boasts of a fingerprint reader and touch sensor at the back of the device" Seems they have it backwards … LOL
Putting the sensor on the back of a device is not uncommon. It allows the user to hold the device between lower fingers and thumb, while stroking the sensor with their index finger.
After using it for authenticating, some phones in the past then allowed using it for scrolling.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
A Capacitative touchscreen senses the electrons emitted by your living tissue. When you touch the screen, you are charging up tiny capacitors with your finger's electrons; as you move your finger away they discharge, providing an electronic trail of where you've touched.
That's totally backwards.
It does not "sense the electrons emitted by your living tissue", nor do you charge a tiny capacitor on the screen with your electrons, nor is a discharge trail followed.
Instead, YOU are the capacitor. The charge is emitted from the touchscreen, and it senses how much is stolen at each touch grid intersection by something capacitive that's nearby. That's why a conductive stylus or even a sausage will work as well.
With iOS (and other) devices, there's also a requirement to have a fairly large conductive target, because the touch processor throws away small touch patches as unwanted noise. That's why a sharply pointed stylus is not recognized, or is augmented by a larger transparent piece so it can be.
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A Resistive touchscreen measures physical pressure. As you press against it with a finger or a stylus, you're changing resistance in the screen by pushing it inward. This is generally much less sensitive, so it requires a more deliberate push. Some, like supermarket checkout screens (or 2007-era phones), force you to pick up the stylus to press in on the screen firmly to make a selection.
No, they don't measure pressure or a resistance change from it.
Common resistive screens sense a touch because a press causes a flexible sheet to contact another sheet behind it. The voltage from the contact point to the edges is measured to calculate the coordinates.
The pressure needed to make the contact depends on the quality of the construction. I've used some resistive touchscreens that required such a light stroke that they felt almost capacitive like... but of course were also able to sense a fine point stylus.
In fact, back in 2009 a company demonstrated a resistive (probably matrix) touchscreen that not only allowed unlimited multi-touch points, it could even sense the individual bristles of a paintbrush. Imagine the possibilities.
Based on the article the author says there will be a fingerprint sensor in the next iPhone but it will be the least secure of the available sensing methods and not appropriate for authenticating payments
Also, fingerprints are not actually that unique. It's not like a magical identifier that only one person has.
No two have been found alike ever. There's a plausible doubt concern used by defense attorneys to question evidence, but it's not a reality, and certainly doesn't affect verifying ones' own prints.
This is verification, not identification against a watch list of felons.
As demonstrated on mythbusters, couldn't someone just lift your fingerprint from the touchscreen and create a mold, place it over their finger and have access??
No, the sensor uses RF to read 3D pits and valleys into the living layers while sensing the electrons emitted by living tissue.
The Home button is too small to be a finger print reader. I remember several years ago Apple was experimenting with putting "camera" technology inside the screen. What is able to withstand salt, oil, etc? The screen. What best for reading the fingerprint of a large finger? The screen.
On a side note, the company Pantech has a fingerprint sensor on the back of their Vega LTE-A smartphone.
Having a feature, and getting it to work properly are two different things.
That said, I am noticing a consistent, and dismaying pattern in the editorials here. They start off with an interesting premise, then proceed to veer off course by recapping Apple's long and illustrious history of successes (which I, being fairly new to the whole Apple scene, do find an informative read), that is completely irrelevant to the main idea posited.
Then, as if sensing that he has rambled on long enough, simply ends off abruptly, leaving me none the wiser at the end of the article. It doesn't explain why a fingerprint sensor done by Apple would be hard for Android manufacturers to copy (my guess is the lack of physical buttons on Android handsets, plus the need for fairly high-end and expensive technology which would automatically preclude all lower-end android phones, plus the ability to integrate it with their own services and software, something the competition has little control over).
Nor does it explain the benefits such tech would bring to the consumer, or where Apple may go with it. For instance, given their control over the entire ecosystem, I can see Apple eventually rolling fingerprint tech out to all their Apple devices, from phones to tablets to laptops. It would provide a consistent experience, and easy setup via icloud.
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Originally Posted by auxio
Huh? There are plenty of inexpensive gloves you can get nowadays which work with iPhones.
I'd rather not have to buy specific and cheap gloves to use my phone. I guess you iPhone users can stick to those.
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan
I'd rather not have to buy specific and cheap gloves to use my phone. I guess you iPhone users can stick to those.
Seriously? I've seen dozens of different styles at different retailers. As for using leather gloves with a phone, I guess that's why Android users need massive phones (and possibly some screen lube).
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Originally Posted by nikilok
Urgh ! I see your ability to comprehend is quite lacking.
What that means is provide functionality when the user wants to go looking for it, and hide it when he doesn't have to see it !
Let me give you a simpler way to put it. Would you prefer a car sales man open up the hood of the car first, before even talking about what the car can do ?
yeah if your a mechanic sure !
Blind fool huh
That's quite the blind fanboi comment there. Why put settings in the settings menu when you can bury them so our dumba$$ iOS users don't go looking for them. This is why Apple has fallen behind. This is why Apple will have a harder time catching up then it should. It's this blind following kool-aid drinking that Apple sees no reason to innovate anymore. I'm done for the day. I've had enough.
I agree to some extent.
However, it's presence and use could be required by some businesses and enterprises.
And, a reliable, easy-to-use fp identification on a phone or tablet provides incidental, ad hoc advantages for certain activities -- shopping/buying, entry to a secure area or automobile, etc.
I have often stated that I never leave the house without my iPhone, my wallet, and my keys... That's 2 things too many!
Ah, New York. Love the city, the restaurants. All good there. Yep, freaking cold it can get.
So that's where they are getting their G+ users from ¡
That's certainly a stupid way of trying to protect your phone. A better way is in iOS; putting selective restrictions on it. So kids on a guest account can read/delete your email et cetera?
That is one fugly interface!
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Originally Posted by auxio
Seriously? I've seen dozens of different styles at different retailers. As for using leather gloves with a phone, I guess that's why Android users need massive phones (and possibly some screen lube).
Walk into a NYC high rise office with those cheap lookin gloves. See how long you last.
You'd think the company that built its empire around being the "in" and trendy device would be the first to adopt these touchscreens.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NexusPhan
That's quite the blind fanboi comment there. Why put settings in the settings menu when you can bury them so our dumba$$ iOS users don't go looking for them. This is why Apple has fallen behind. This is why Apple will have a harder time catching up then it should. It's this blind following kool-aid drinking that Apple sees no reason to innovate anymore. I'm done for the day. I've had enough.
I need to cleans my eyes with water every time I read your epitome of Stupidity ! I got better things do with my time as well.
So tell me really how is iOS falling behind with everything they done in iOS 7. Oh holy cow did you know Google's Fixing there Fragmentation problem.. LOL Shame on you
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
Yep, freaking cold it can get.
No kidding.
So that's where they are getting their G+ users from
Haha. So true. It's really the only use I've found for it.
That's certainly a stupid way of trying to protect your phone. A better way is in iOS; putting selective restrictions on it. So kids on a guest account can read/delete your email et cetera?
Or how about both ways?
That is one fugly interface!
No kidding? http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2013/06/18/ios-7-settings.PNG
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Originally Posted by nikilok
I need to cleans my eyes with water every time I read your epitome of Stupidity ! I got better things do with my time as well.
So tell me really how is iOS falling behind with everything they done in iOS 7. Oh holy cow did you know Google's Fixing there Fragmentation problem.. LOL Shame on you
Everything iOS 7 has done has had a direct influence from Android. That's how.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
"Pantech Vega LTE-A IM-A880S boasts of a fingerprint reader and touch sensor at the back of the device" Seems they have it backwards … LOL
Putting the sensor on the back of a device is not uncommon. It allows the user to hold the device between lower fingers and thumb, while stroking the sensor with their index finger.
After using it for authenticating, some phones in the past then allowed using it for scrolling.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AppleInsider
A Capacitative touchscreen senses the electrons emitted by your living tissue. When you touch the screen, you are charging up tiny capacitors with your finger's electrons; as you move your finger away they discharge, providing an electronic trail of where you've touched.
That's totally backwards.
It does not "sense the electrons emitted by your living tissue", nor do you charge a tiny capacitor on the screen with your electrons, nor is a discharge trail followed.
Instead, YOU are the capacitor. The charge is emitted from the touchscreen, and it senses how much is stolen at each touch grid intersection by something capacitive that's nearby. That's why a conductive stylus or even a sausage will work as well.
With iOS (and other) devices, there's also a requirement to have a fairly large conductive target, because the touch processor throws away small touch patches as unwanted noise. That's why a sharply pointed stylus is not recognized, or is augmented by a larger transparent piece so it can be.
Quote:
A Resistive touchscreen measures physical pressure. As you press against it with a finger or a stylus, you're changing resistance in the screen by pushing it inward. This is generally much less sensitive, so it requires a more deliberate push. Some, like supermarket checkout screens (or 2007-era phones), force you to pick up the stylus to press in on the screen firmly to make a selection.
No, they don't measure pressure or a resistance change from it.
Common resistive screens sense a touch because a press causes a flexible sheet to contact another sheet behind it. The voltage from the contact point to the edges is measured to calculate the coordinates.
The pressure needed to make the contact depends on the quality of the construction. I've used some resistive touchscreens that required such a light stroke that they felt almost capacitive like... but of course were also able to sense a fine point stylus.
In fact, back in 2009 a company demonstrated a resistive (probably matrix) touchscreen that not only allowed unlimited multi-touch points, it could even sense the individual bristles of a paintbrush. Imagine the possibilities.
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan
Walk into a NYC high rise office with those cheap lookin gloves. See how long you last.
And this is exactly why Silicon Valley has attracted more bright minds than NYC over the years. Too much stock in veneer and not enough in substance.
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan
No kidding.
Haha. So true. It's really the only use I've found for it.
Or how about both ways?
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That is one fugly interface!
No kidding?
Beta 5 looks cooler
No you're thinking of Android Face Unlock.
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan
Everything iOS 7 has done has had a direct influence from Android. That's how.
I would put it as taking forward by miles rough versions of "ideas" in android and every other Eco system out there.
No two have been found alike ever. There's a plausible doubt concern used by defense attorneys to question evidence, but it's not a reality, and certainly doesn't affect verifying ones' own prints.
This is verification, not identification against a watch list of felons.
On a side note, the company Pantech has a fingerprint sensor on the back of their Vega LTE-A smartphone.
No, the sensor uses RF to read 3D pits and valleys into the living layers while sensing the electrons emitted by living tissue.
It's not taking a flat photocopy.
It's the screen.
Pantech? Are you being serious?
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Originally Posted by LAKings33
On a side note, the company Pantech has a fingerprint sensor on the back of their Vega LTE-A smartphone.
Having a feature, and getting it to work properly are two different things.
That said, I am noticing a consistent, and dismaying pattern in the editorials here. They start off with an interesting premise, then proceed to veer off course by recapping Apple's long and illustrious history of successes (which I, being fairly new to the whole Apple scene, do find an informative read), that is completely irrelevant to the main idea posited.
Then, as if sensing that he has rambled on long enough, simply ends off abruptly, leaving me none the wiser at the end of the article. It doesn't explain why a fingerprint sensor done by Apple would be hard for Android manufacturers to copy (my guess is the lack of physical buttons on Android handsets, plus the need for fairly high-end and expensive technology which would automatically preclude all lower-end android phones, plus the ability to integrate it with their own services and software, something the competition has little control over).
Nor does it explain the benefits such tech would bring to the consumer, or where Apple may go with it. For instance, given their control over the entire ecosystem, I can see Apple eventually rolling fingerprint tech out to all their Apple devices, from phones to tablets to laptops. It would provide a consistent experience, and easy setup via icloud.