<span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:18.1875px;background-color:rgb(241,241,241);">Microsoft should have waited until this year to launch Surface devices running Windows 8.1. </span>
<span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:1.231;">A Basic model, using Intel's brand new Bay Trail architecture and a Pro model, using fanless Haswell (Y-Series). This way, the devices can be lightweight, offer a long battery life as well as the performance needed for a full version of Windows 8.1.</span>
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<span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:1.231;">The push on Windows RT was destined for failure. ARM inside a tablet is a losing battle, X86 is here.</span>
<span id="user_yui_3_10_0_1_1375914818238_651" style="line-height:1.231;color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">As a result, the Surface RT had a nice build, but horrible performance and a useless version of Windows. Plagued by the Tegra 3 hardware it lacked what you would expect from a flagship product.</span>
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<span id="user_yui_3_10_0_1_1375914818238_653" style="line-height:1.231;color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Meanwhile, the Surface Pro was one step forward, and two steps back. The device was plenty powerful, but it managed to forget it was a tablet, ie. the kind of device made for mobile </span>
<span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:18.1875px;background-color:rgb(241,241,241);">versatility</span>
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ARM seems to be working in a Tablet find for Apple. I think Microsoft's problem was partially marketing. It should not have referred to the tablet, especially the RT version, as Windows. First, many people merely use Windows because that is what is used at work. Second, RT didn't run regular Windows apps, which had to confuse the public.
They're playing the fucking USB port angle? Really? Didn't that argument fail with consumers the last 26,291 times it was made? Well, why not try once more just for luck!
It's also psychologically telling to me that each of these "bashing" ads always put the iPad first. Are they TRYING to create "underdog status" for the Surface?
If it's my product, I put my product first. e.g. "Surface RT vs iPad".
If you say "iPad vs Surface RT" in a Surface ad, you're just giving the iPad another leg up that it already has.
I think the idea is to have more closely related builds for your phone and your tablet hence ARM. I know nothing about Surface tablets but with current iPad and iPhone, there does not seem to be any underpowered performance problems. I doubt Apple will switch to X86 especially since they are now tweaking the CPU to their own specifications, something that is not possible with an Intel chip.
It's one thing to have iOS or Android on a tablet, but neither of them can compete with the X86 version of Windows 8.1.
Starting later this year and on into 2014, companies such as Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA are all starting to bring their flagship hardware to the mobile/tablet market.
If Apple want's to compete (and not just from a sales perspective), they'll need to bring OS X to tablet form.
It's one thing to have iOS or Android on a tablet, but neither of them can compete with the X86 version of Windows 8.1.
<span style="line-height:1.231;">Starting later this year and on into 2014, companies such as Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA are all starting to bring their flagship hardware to the mobile/tablet market.</span>
If Apple want's to compete (and not just from a sales perspective), they'll need to bring OS X to tablet form.
Why is it that vaporware always beats shipping products?
I don't care about any of the comparisons MS is making for the Surface. I buy Apple iPad's for these reasons, and they miss the boat on all of them.
High Screen Resolution, Retina: coupled with Apple's doubling solution equals super sharp, clear, and easy to read text
Application Availability and Variety: simply put, dev's are hardly willing code for 2-platforms (Apple & Google) much less 4 (+ Microsoft & Blackberry)
wait.. you can plug in a USB stick into the iPad via a cable? Thanks Microsoft.. I did not know that. can someone confirm it will work?
Apple makes a short little adaptor dongle. Apple is of the mind that extreme portability and ease of use means rethinking how you use the device. Airplay and iCloud are better ways of communicating, plus, you don't lag your devices by having the CPU check each cycle to see if there's anything plugged into the ports.
Microsoft cannot imagine a device without wires, dongles, and keyboards dangling off of it on each side. Nor can they imagine a device being used in portrait and landscape mode, or being useful at different viewing angles. Stupid is as stupid does.
I don't care about any of the comparisons MS is making for the Surface. I buy Apple iPad's for these reasons, and they miss the boat on all of them.
High Screen Resolution, Retina: coupled with Apple's doubling solution equals super sharp, clear, and easy to read text
Application Availability and Variety: simply put, dev's are hardly willing code for 2-platforms (Apple & Google) much less 4 (+ Microsoft & Blackberry)
Overall Performance and stability
Battery Life and heat
Accessory variety and availability
You overlooked that to write for Microsoft products one needs to write for four platforms: Non-touch (mouse-based) Windows computers (with a large user base), Touch-aware Windows 8 computers that use the traditional height and width ratios, Surface Pro computers with a wide-format touch screen and no mouse, and Surface Windows RT computers (with a teensy install base). Only the last one has a decent life away from a wall outlet... but a short life until being Zuned.
Yeah, they can. Already do, in fact. To ludicrous success.
They did that in 2010.
Sorry for the confusion, I'm not talking about sales. I'm referencing their lack of ability to function as a complete operating system like Windows or OS X.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
Why is it that vaporware always beats shipping products?
Since when has Windows been vaporware?
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Originally Posted by mstone
I think they did that already. It is called iOS. It is OS X optimized for touch interface with enhanced security.
iOS cannot even do half the things OS X can. For that matter, iOS is limited to ARM hardware and an OpenGL ES 2.0 API.
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It seems they've actually corrected some of the misleading parts of the last few adverts, but its still very misleading.
The part about the keyboard and kickstand is just shameless.
If you're going to include separately sold extras for one product they should do it for both.
ARM seems to be working in a Tablet find for Apple. I think Microsoft's problem was partially marketing. It should not have referred to the tablet, especially the RT version, as Windows. First, many people merely use Windows because that is what is used at work. Second, RT didn't run regular Windows apps, which had to confuse the public.
It's also psychologically telling to me that each of these "bashing" ads always put the iPad first. Are they TRYING to create "underdog status" for the Surface?
If it's my product, I put my product first. e.g. "Surface RT vs iPad".
If you say "iPad vs Surface RT" in a Surface ad, you're just giving the iPad another leg up that it already has.
Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.
wait.. you can plug in a USB stick into the iPad via a cable? Thanks Microsoft.. I did not know that. can someone confirm it will work?
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Originally Posted by mstone
I think the idea is to have more closely related builds for your phone and your tablet hence ARM. I know nothing about Surface tablets but with current iPad and iPhone, there does not seem to be any underpowered performance problems. I doubt Apple will switch to X86 especially since they are now tweaking the CPU to their own specifications, something that is not possible with an Intel chip.
It's one thing to have iOS or Android on a tablet, but neither of them can compete with the X86 version of Windows 8.1.
Starting later this year and on into 2014, companies such as Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA are all starting to bring their flagship hardware to the mobile/tablet market.
If Apple want's to compete (and not just from a sales perspective), they'll need to bring OS X to tablet form.
Why is it that vaporware always beats shipping products?
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Originally Posted by snova
wait.. you can plug in a USB stick into the iPad via a cable? Thanks Microsoft.. I did not know that. can someone confirm it will work?
You know I just went to the Apple online store and I only see the 30 pin camera adapter / SD card reader.
They also sell a Lightning to USB Camera Adapter which perhaps will work with a memory stick.
I wonder why there is no Lightning SD card reader.
Not sure, good question.
I don't care about any of the comparisons MS is making for the Surface. I buy Apple iPad's for these reasons, and they miss the boat on all of them.
High Screen Resolution, Retina: coupled with Apple's doubling solution equals super sharp, clear, and easy to read text
Application Availability and Variety: simply put, dev's are hardly willing code for 2-platforms (Apple & Google) much less 4 (+ Microsoft & Blackberry)
Overall Performance and stability
Battery Life and heat
Accessory variety and availability
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Originally Posted by LAKings33
If Apple want's to compete (and not just from a sales perspective), they'll need to bring OS X to tablet form.
I think they did that already. It is called iOS. It is OS X optimized for touch interface with enhanced security.
Yeah, they can. Already do, in fact. To ludicrous success.
They did that in 2010.
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Originally Posted by snova
wait.. you can plug in a USB stick into the iPad via a cable? Thanks Microsoft.. I did not know that. can someone confirm it will work?
Apple makes a short little adaptor dongle. Apple is of the mind that extreme portability and ease of use means rethinking how you use the device. Airplay and iCloud are better ways of communicating, plus, you don't lag your devices by having the CPU check each cycle to see if there's anything plugged into the ports.
Microsoft cannot imagine a device without wires, dongles, and keyboards dangling off of it on each side. Nor can they imagine a device being used in portrait and landscape mode, or being useful at different viewing angles. Stupid is as stupid does.
Apple could make an excellent response ad, but the problem is that by the time it airs Surface will be no more.
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Can I say 'piss off' in America?
Your nightclub bouncers piss off cricketers, and the cricketers piss on bouncers
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Originally Posted by Kelly Nowell
I don't care about any of the comparisons MS is making for the Surface. I buy Apple iPad's for these reasons, and they miss the boat on all of them.
High Screen Resolution, Retina: coupled with Apple's doubling solution equals super sharp, clear, and easy to read text
Application Availability and Variety: simply put, dev's are hardly willing code for 2-platforms (Apple & Google) much less 4 (+ Microsoft & Blackberry)
Overall Performance and stability
Battery Life and heat
Accessory variety and availability
You overlooked that to write for Microsoft products one needs to write for four platforms: Non-touch (mouse-based) Windows computers (with a large user base), Touch-aware Windows 8 computers that use the traditional height and width ratios, Surface Pro computers with a wide-format touch screen and no mouse, and Surface Windows RT computers (with a teensy install base). Only the last one has a decent life away from a wall outlet... but a short life until being Zuned.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Yeah, they can. Already do, in fact. To ludicrous success.
They did that in 2010.
Sorry for the confusion, I'm not talking about sales. I'm referencing their lack of ability to function as a complete operating system like Windows or OS X.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
Why is it that vaporware always beats shipping products?
Since when has Windows been vaporware?
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Originally Posted by mstone
I think they did that already. It is called iOS. It is OS X optimized for touch interface with enhanced security.
iOS cannot even do half the things OS X can. For that matter, iOS is limited to ARM hardware and an OpenGL ES 2.0 API.