What percentage of the TOTAL cell phone market in the US is represented each by iOS and Android? And globally, I presume the adoption rate of Android is much higher due to their low-end target market.
I recall Steve Jobs mentioning Apple was shooting for something like 2-3% of the market in the US in the first year or so of iPhone availability.
The strength of Android in countries like Germany is due to Android devices selling unlocked for little money and the mobile pre-paid market being huge. With retailers equivalent to e.g. WalMart in the US selling Android devices unlocked and contract free for €99 to €199 it's tough to compete for the iPhone given it's unsubsidized price-tag; but it's also worth noting that many of these users upgrade from a feature phone to an Android device due to the marginal price difference; they are not hard-core smartphone users; although they might turn into such and at that point they may start being interested in the extra benefits the iPhone has to offer. If Apple manages to position itself strongly in low-income nations like Turkey and Eastern Europe, sales in Germany will go up, because massive sections of the pre-paid mobile phone users are foreign workers from these countries in Germany. Numbers like these without a much more detailed break down an relative strength based on market segments are meaningless because there are segments of the market served by Android devices that Apple neither serves nor intends to serve.
I will probable buy a 5c then upgrade to large iPhone whenever it comes available.
I know many who went Samsung just because of big screen want.
With 7 billion people in the world there will always be "many" who want something that you and a few people you know also want. However the major change that Jobs made upon taking control (in every sense of the word) of Apple was to reduce the plethora of objects that Apple manufactured. Apple's major advantage is that it's quality precluded the need for myriad variations. Apple has sort of married the mass production of the Ford motor car with the exclusivity of the Porsche, to be able to create a high quality well thought out product for the masses.
A phone is better off as a phone and not a hybrid phablet. Apple will never go down the 'big phone' route.
The strength of Android in countries like Germany is due to Android devices selling unlocked for little money and the mobile pre-paid market being huge. With retailers equivalent to e.g. WalMart in the US selling Android devices unlocked and contract free for €99 to €199 it's tough to compete for the iPhone given it's unsubsidized price-tag; but it's also worth noting that many of these users upgrade from a feature phone to an Android device due to the marginal price difference; they are not hard-core smartphone users; although they might turn into such and at that point they may start being interested in the extra benefits the iPhone has to offer.
If Apple manages to position itself strongly in low-income nations like Turkey and Eastern Europe, sales in Germany will go up, because massive sections of the pre-paid mobile phone users are foreign workers from these countries in Germany.
Numbers like these without a much more detailed break down an relative strength based on market segments are meaningless because there are segments of the market served by Android devices that Apple neither serves nor intends to serve.
Well, for one thing Germans are price conscious, very sensitive for "value for money" considerations and for another carrier subsidies are getting phased out, and then of course there's the typical problem of language and culture that american products just don't adapt well enough to the german language. There were also issues with the LTE which (the last time I looked into it specifically was only supported for the Apple hardware by Telekom, which is still suffering the backlash from its days as a state-run monopoly.
Things like Siri just are a pain in the butt in the germal language, with its wide range of dialects and accents. Very few people bother with features like this.
Just a few points. Finally, the "Made in USA" doesn't resonate with germans any more. There is a growing mistrust of the US in a wide spectrum of the community over here, largely because of the american attitude to privacy issues .... and of course the spying and seemingly boundless arrogance and stupidity of americans in the german view.
Wait until the 4.7" geek watch is considered standard....
/s
You laugh, but geeks are a really quirky and vocal submarket, and they think they speak for everyone.
In all the decades of consumer electronics, there's been a push for smaller and ever more portable and long lasting electronics. Like all those years when portable music meant Walkmans, the most expensive Sony Walkmans were the ones that were smallest and most feature-filled: the $300 cassette players that were barely larger than the cassette tape itself, whereas all the "bricks" were selling for $49. And before that, the transistor radio and portable stereos. We saw the same trend in cell phones during the 1990s and 2000s when the most expensive cell phones were consistently the smallest and thinnest. Cheap phones were big and heavy bricks. Same trend in PDAs: the thinnest Palm was the Palm V, and it cost more than the chunkier Palms. Same thing with laptops, where thin and light (before MacBook Air) models commanded premiums, like some of the earlier Sony VAIOs, just because they were unusually portable, not because they had the fastest chip or largest hard drives.
The geeks have decided that 5-inches is the right screen size, and they get really mad if you don't agree with them. Then they argue that anyone who disagrees with them will change their minds if Apple suddenly goes stupid and starts chasing Samsung and HTC and Motorola in the screen size wars. The iPhone 5 is a balancing act between screen size, portability (size and weight), and battery life. I think they struck the right balance, for the majority of people. I personally value portability and battery life more than the geeks. I'm not saying that Apple won't adjust these things in the future, but I trust them to not fall into the trap of oneupmanship in one area (screen size) while making compromises in other areas (weight, size and battery life).
Iphone is 22% up in USA & Europe5 (the saturated markets, remember?); 33% in GB, 36% in France, 110% in Spain. 180% in Mexico. In the year of the iphone5 "failure". Meh? I thought Apple was almost finished... And BBRY, the Iphone killer according my broker, is selling 2/3 in USA and Italy; 1/3 in France, GB, EU5 and Mexico; 1/5 in Australia; less than 1/10 in Spain. In one year. Of what they made before the black beast of BB10. But wait, it does have higher marketshare in Germany by 33%, to a shocking...0.8%. Yeah, he is right, probably Apple IS doomed after all.
And just wait until the lower margin 5C hurts the company even more...
Are you really too stupid to understand the difference between making a mistake and backtracking?
Where did you admit to being wrong?
Yes, I did. So the graphic I provided only applies to the real Google shills, not the fake one I responded to.
You claim that you saw the /s but your reply to the OP suggests that you in fact did not. I'm well versed in the art of backtracking so I know it when I see it.
Edit. I see that you indeed admitted to not seeing the /s but the correct thing to do was to edit your post accordingly especially since you accused the OP of being a shill.
After Apple's stylish marketing blitz the 5C and 5S will be the 2 top selling smartphones in the world bringing Apple's market share and mind share higher in places where this years iPhone lineup was too expensive.
I live in the United States but I spent a few months working in Basel, Switzerland. What I found was that with the smaller countries in Europe you spend a lot of time roaming and your data plan doesn't typically work when you do. My iPhone is wonderful in the US where I always have access to data. In Europe, I wouldn't consider it worth the money to spend more for a better phone since it's hamstrung by the service half the time.
Being able to use iMessage over WiFi, particularly using my Mac, offset the disadvantages to some degree as it let me communicate with anyone else in the world with an iPhone and vice versa but I believe that a similar service exists with Android and to similar effect.
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What percentage of the TOTAL cell phone market in the US is represented each by iOS and Android? And globally, I presume the adoption rate of Android is much higher due to their low-end target market.
I recall Steve Jobs mentioning Apple was shooting for something like 2-3% of the market in the US in the first year or so of iPhone availability.
If Apple manages to position itself strongly in low-income nations like Turkey and Eastern Europe, sales in Germany will go up, because massive sections of the pre-paid mobile phone users are foreign workers from these countries in Germany.
Numbers like these without a much more detailed break down an relative strength based on market segments are meaningless because there are segments of the market served by Android devices that Apple neither serves nor intends to serve.
Yes, I did. So the graphic I provided only applies to the real Google shills, not the fake one I responded to.
Originally Posted by jragosta
Yes, I did. So the graphic I provided only applies to the real Google shills, not the fake one I responded to.
Indeed; it's pretty accurate.
All the trouble to find that picture for naught.
Don't backtrack now, you clearly erroneously included the OP.
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Originally Posted by Everett Ruess
I will probable buy a 5c then upgrade to large iPhone whenever it comes available.
I know many who went Samsung just because of big screen want.
With 7 billion people in the world there will always be "many" who want something that you and a few people you know also want. However the major change that Jobs made upon taking control (in every sense of the word) of Apple was to reduce the plethora of objects that Apple manufactured. Apple's major advantage is that it's quality precluded the need for myriad variations. Apple has sort of married the mass production of the Ford motor car with the exclusivity of the Porsche, to be able to create a high quality well thought out product for the masses.
A phone is better off as a phone and not a hybrid phablet. Apple will never go down the 'big phone' route.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
All the trouble to find that picture for naught.
Hardly, if you'd read what he wrote that you quoted next.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
Don't backtrack now, you clearly erroneously included the OP.
No, it's called admitting a mistake. A foreign concept to you, certainly.
Thanks!
Well, for one thing Germans are price conscious, very sensitive for "value for money" considerations and for another carrier subsidies are getting phased out, and then of course there's the typical problem of language and culture that american products just don't adapt well enough to the german language. There were also issues with the LTE which (the last time I looked into it specifically was only supported for the Apple hardware by Telekom, which is still suffering the backlash from its days as a state-run monopoly.
Things like Siri just are a pain in the butt in the germal language, with its wide range of dialects and accents. Very few people bother with features like this.
Just a few points. Finally, the "Made in USA" doesn't resonate with germans any more. There is a growing mistrust of the US in a wide spectrum of the community over here, largely because of the american attitude to privacy issues .... and of course the spying and seemingly boundless arrogance and stupidity of americans in the german view.
I'm most certainly man enough to admit when I'm wrong. His response was a knee jerk reaction, he obviously didn't read it all the way through.
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Originally Posted by WonkoTheSane
Wait until the 4.7" geek watch is considered standard....
/s
You laugh, but geeks are a really quirky and vocal submarket, and they think they speak for everyone.
In all the decades of consumer electronics, there's been a push for smaller and ever more portable and long lasting electronics. Like all those years when portable music meant Walkmans, the most expensive Sony Walkmans were the ones that were smallest and most feature-filled: the $300 cassette players that were barely larger than the cassette tape itself, whereas all the "bricks" were selling for $49. And before that, the transistor radio and portable stereos. We saw the same trend in cell phones during the 1990s and 2000s when the most expensive cell phones were consistently the smallest and thinnest. Cheap phones were big and heavy bricks. Same trend in PDAs: the thinnest Palm was the Palm V, and it cost more than the chunkier Palms. Same thing with laptops, where thin and light (before MacBook Air) models commanded premiums, like some of the earlier Sony VAIOs, just because they were unusually portable, not because they had the fastest chip or largest hard drives.
The geeks have decided that 5-inches is the right screen size, and they get really mad if you don't agree with them. Then they argue that anyone who disagrees with them will change their minds if Apple suddenly goes stupid and starts chasing Samsung and HTC and Motorola in the screen size wars. The iPhone 5 is a balancing act between screen size, portability (size and weight), and battery life. I think they struck the right balance, for the majority of people. I personally value portability and battery life more than the geeks. I'm not saying that Apple won't adjust these things in the future, but I trust them to not fall into the trap of oneupmanship in one area (screen size) while making compromises in other areas (weight, size and battery life).
And BBRY, the Iphone killer according my broker, is selling 2/3 in USA and Italy; 1/3 in France, GB, EU5 and Mexico; 1/5 in Australia; less than 1/10 in Spain. In one year. Of what they made before the black beast of BB10. But wait, it does have higher marketshare in Germany by 33%, to a shocking...0.8%. Yeah, he is right, probably Apple IS doomed after all.
And just wait until the lower margin 5C hurts the company even more...
As I said, it was a mistake - which I admitted.
Are you really too stupid to understand the difference between making a mistake and backtracking?
Where did you admit to being wrong?
You claim that you saw the /s but your reply to the OP suggests that you in fact did not. I'm well versed in the art of backtracking so I know it when I see it.
Edit. I see that you indeed admitted to not seeing the /s but the correct thing to do was to edit your post accordingly especially since you accused the OP of being a shill.
No he didn't. Move on.
After Apple's stylish marketing blitz the 5C and 5S will be the 2 top selling smartphones in the world bringing Apple's market share and mind share higher in places where this years iPhone lineup was too expensive.
Actually you're right. I misread it.
I live in the United States but I spent a few months working in Basel, Switzerland. What I found was that with the smaller countries in Europe you spend a lot of time roaming and your data plan doesn't typically work when you do. My iPhone is wonderful in the US where I always have access to data. In Europe, I wouldn't consider it worth the money to spend more for a better phone since it's hamstrung by the service half the time.
Being able to use iMessage over WiFi, particularly using my Mac, offset the disadvantages to some degree as it let me communicate with anyone else in the world with an iPhone and vice versa but I believe that a similar service exists with Android and to similar effect.
I will probable buy a 5c then upgrade to large iPhone whenever it comes available.