Apple's iPhone grows to 43% share among US smartphones

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  • Reply 61 of 92
    ruel24ruel24 Posts: 432member
    One of the biggest complaints of Android that has frustrated users was the fact that performance took a nose dive over time. Android 4.3 fixes that by, finally, adding TRIM support, which mysteriously has been absent despite the Linux kernel having TRIM support for a long time, now. I believe the user experience for Android will improve greatly now that this issue has been addressed, and that may be bad for iOS.
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  • Reply 62 of 92
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member

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    Originally Posted by Everett Ruess View Post



    I will probable buy a 5c then upgrade to large iPhone whenever it comes available.



    I know many who went Samsung just because of big screen want.


    so you know whole 10% of the population who went for the bigger screen. How do you like have that big phone stuck to the side of your head.


     


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  • Reply 63 of 92
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,386member

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    Originally Posted by Maestro64 View Post


    so you know whole 10% of the population who went for the bigger screen. How do you like have that big phone stuck to the side of your head.


     




    Not THAT big.  I was thinking more around 4.5 inch to 4.8 inch.  He's sporting a 5.5 inch or larger.  Did I say Phablet? No, I said larger screen Smartphone.  That would be sub 5 inch.

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  • Reply 64 of 92

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    You should try it.


     


    While I'm certain that it is inferior to iOS, if you use Google's core apps (Play music, chrome, gmail, Maps, Drive and the pure awesomeness that is Google keep) and take advantage of their ecosystem, + root your device and "clean" the junk and use Nova launcher on a nice jelly bean device, you will see how great Android is. It trully is great, even if not at iOS level.


     


    If you marry that with something like an HTC one, and if a big screen is really what you want, I'm sure than only a similar sized iPhone would make you go back.


     


    Yes, OEMs f*ck things up, but the bottom line is that right now I see my android phone as something awesome. Clearly the iPhone 4 is not worthy it, and the 4s costs 3x more.


     


    The 5 is not for me, despite being for sure ther best smartphone around. But I know that a 4.5 to 5" iPhone would be much better and would make a shitty vodafone contract worthwile. Maybe it will happen when stupid ignorant apple fanboys and stupid ignorant android fanboys no longer outnumber rational people, that base their knowledge on experience and logic.


     


    Make no mistake. Google isn't Microsoft.



    I used an iPhone 3G, 4 and 5 with all different iOS versions. I see no way where iOS is better than Android. That is a load of crap. Android is a more open OS, more customizable, and has more features for the power user. iOS is too simple and is too much of a locked down ecosystem for me. The fact that iTunes is needed for every single small thing you want to do on your phone is a hassle. I've been enjoying my S4 since April on Android 4.2.2, which is far superior to even iOS 7.

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  • Reply 65 of 92

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    Originally Posted by Everett Ruess View Post



    I will probable buy a 5c then upgrade to large iPhone whenever it comes available.



    I know many who went Samsung just because of big screen want.


     


    I volunteer with a guy who recently acquired a HTC with a bit larger screen then the iPhone 5 and it was not bad at all.

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  • Reply 66 of 92

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    I'm curious about what's happening in the German market. I would have expected the iPhone doing quite well there, but they are barely beating Windows... Someone have explanations?



     


    I was thinking the same thing. I thought Germans would appreciate the quality of the iPhone. 

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  • Reply 67 of 92
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,386member

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    Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post


    You should try it.


     


    While I'm certain that it is inferior to iOS, if you use Google's core apps (Play music, chrome, gmail, Maps, Drive and the pure awesomeness that is Google keep) and take advantage of their ecosystem, + root your device and "clean" the junk and use Nova launcher on a nice jelly bean device, you will see how great Android is. It trully is great, even if not at iOS level.


     


    If you marry that with something like an HTC one, and if a big screen is really what you want, I'm sure than only a similar sized iPhone would make you go back.


     


    Yes, OEMs f*ck things up, but the bottom line is that right now I see my android phone as something awesome. Clearly the iPhone 4 is not worthy it, and the 4s costs 3x more.


     


    The 5 is not for me, despite being for sure ther best smartphone around. But I know that a 4.5 to 5" iPhone would be much better and would make a shitty vodafone contract worthwile. Maybe it will happen when stupid ignorant apple fanboys and stupid ignorant android fanboys no longer outnumber rational people, that base their knowledge on experience and logic.


     


    Make no mistake. Google isn't Microsoft.



    I have played around with Android.  I didn't like it.  Plus, I will NEVER be DUMB enough to buy a product where I have to cross my fingers and HOPE that 6 months after Google releases their version that the OEM releases theres.  NO. I refuse to buy a private label phone with the name Google on it.  THEY get NONE of my money.  I don't want to be partly responsible for subsidizing Google Glass, so I want ZERO money from my back pocket going into theirs directly. 


     


    See the problem Pedro, is I don't live in a country that's VERY close to a 3rd world country.  The US is only half way there, we're catching up.  If I bought an Android phone, that would make me feel like I should actually live in a 3rd world country since Apple doesn't market phones there.


     


    To be honest, Apple and everyone else that makes smartphone would have to literally fall off the face of the earth before I buy an Android phone.  I'd buy a WIndows phone before Android.  I won't support a platform developed by Google.  So, don't hold waste your breath.  In the mean time, I think you might want to go to Cult of Android and not bother us over here.  I think I hear them calling your name.

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  • Reply 68 of 92

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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Everett Ruess View Post



    I will probable buy a 5c then upgrade to large iPhone whenever it comes available.



    I know many who went Samsung just because of big screen want.


    so you know whole 10% of the population who went for the bigger screen. How do you like have that big phone stuck to the side of your head.


     




    What is your goal with this crap?


     


    Motorola managed to cram a 4.3 or 4.5 display on a phone that has the same dimensions has an iPhone.


    Look at the HTC one.


    Loot at the Moto x.


    Heck, look at the shitty s4.


     


    is apple the only one incapable of doing it?

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  • Reply 69 of 92

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    I have played around with Android.  I didn't like it.  Plus, I will NEVER be DUMB enough to buy a product where I have to cross my fingers and HOPE that 6 months after Google releases their version that the OEM releases theres.  NO. I refuse to buy a private label phone with the name Google on it.  THEY get NONE of my money.  I don't want to be partly responsible for subsidizing Google Glass, so I want ZERO money from my back pocket going into theirs directly. 


     


    See the problem Pedro, is I don't live in a country that's VERY close to a 3rd world country.  The US is only half way there, we're catching up.  If I bought an Android phone, that would make me feel like I should actually live in a 3rd world country since Apple doesn't market phones there.


     


    To be honest, Apple and everyone else that makes smartphone would have to literally fall off the face of the earth before I buy an Android phone.  I'd buy a WIndows phone before Android.  I won't support a platform developed by Google.  So, don't hold waste your breath.  In the mean time, I think you might want to go to Cult of Android and not bother us over here.  I think I hear them calling your name.



    Well, you have a few valid points. Portugal isn't that great, just like the US, but you guys have a lot of advantages.


     


    Also, I wasn't dumb enough to do that, that's why the thing is already with a different ROM. As far as I know, Google also doesn't get that much from me. But you do realize that there are some rather great Android devices, with the best of them probably being the play edition of the htc one, right? There's a rightful competitor to the iPhone, and HTC deserves credit, just like google.


     


    I don't "go" (why some of you talk like if a field trip is needed makes me confuse...) to cult of android, I prefer xda. But what is the problem?


     


    If someone ignorant decides to say that Android is crap, it's not my problem. Android is awesome, great. Millions and millions would never have a decent smartphone if it wasn't for Google. Who cares if Apple has 200 billion in the bank or 400 billion in the process? I thank Google and Apple for that.


     


    Besides, I prefer Apple products, especially software like iOS and OSX, that's why I post here. It's just that Apple forced me to buy an Android device, and frankly it was a win-win for me. I'm lucky to being able to have the smartphone I have now. It's no iPhone 5, my dream device, but I will only have a flagship like that once I earn the money for it. For that, in contries like these, you must have rich parents or a nice degree, and work a lot for it. I don't have reach parents. It's a shame Apple thinks that we do not deserve iPhones, then. It isn't my fault.


     


    Google is different. That's why that despite "young" they are where they are. Don't get me wrong, Apple as a company is miles ahead, but google is also great. And despite being inferiors to iPhones, a nice android device is fantastic and can be a fantastic deal. Mine was.

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  • Reply 70 of 92

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    I used an iPhone 3G, 4 and 5 with all different iOS versions. I see no way where iOS is better than Android. That is a load of crap. Android is a more open OS, more customizable, and has more features for the power user. iOS is too simple and is too much of a locked down ecosystem for me. The fact that iTunes is needed for every single small thing you want to do on your phone is a hassle. I've been enjoying my S4 since April on Android 4.2.2, which is far superior to even iOS 7.



    Well, for starters, your device could have a Xeon processor and it would still be slower than an iPhone. You can thank java for that.


    Then despite having a huge battery, the s4 loses all tests when the screen is ON against the iPhone 5. You can also thank android for that.


    Then you have the App quality and ecosystem quality. What you say on this matter is irrelevant, because what matters is that Apple is miles ahead.


    Being simple is where the magic is, no? that's the dificulty, the engineer's dream: Make it simple. Another win.


    Itunes is not needed since iOS 5.


     


    And then you have the hierachy about things... The user's touch is last. More lag and worse experience.


     


    And your s4 has shitty build quality, is as fat as a whale (software-wise), lags especially with touchwiz enabled, and has an oversaturated pentile screen. Not only that, there's 100 s4 models because samsung is just crappy.


     


    I guess this is why iOS is just better, despite Android being great for what it is: Android is a more open OS, more customizable, and has more features for the power user ---- power user has changing ROMs kind of guy? lol that's not power user.


     


    Anything close to professional use (what should be called as power user) is better on iOS. there's no such things on Android. 

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  • Reply 71 of 92
    rcfarcfa Posts: 1,124member

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    Motorola managed to cram a 4.3 or 4.5 display on a phone that has the same dimensions has an iPhone.


    Look at the HTC one.


    Loot at the Moto x.


    Heck, look at the shitty s4.


     


    is apple the only one incapable of doing it?



     


    Why would they? The screens we have are excellent, and the edge around the screen is minimal. Could it be smaller, yes, but at what price? A sturdy frame, which the iPhone has, unlike the flimsy plasticky stuff most Droid's have, takes up some space.


     


    Apple could make screen to the very edge, but it's not about what CAN be done, but about what is MEANINGFUL. A marginal screen size increase does close to nothing for usability, increases false touch events (particularly with one-handed operation), and makes the phone less robust.


    Hardly worth it, just to partake in a specs pissing contest: "Oh, look, mine is bigger..."

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  • Reply 72 of 92
    rcfarcfa Posts: 1,124member

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    Originally Posted by Richard Getz View Post




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ealvarez View Post


    I'm curious about what's happening in the German market. I would have expected the iPhone doing quite well there, but they are barely beating Windows... Someone have explanations?



     


    I was thinking the same thing. I thought Germans would appreciate the quality of the iPhone. 



     


    Germans do appreciate the quality of the iPhone; however there are many factors at play:


    - Apple's old image as a computer toy company (real people use MS-DOS/Windows/etc.) still lingers, because Apple never bothered doing decent marketing in Germany.


    - Germany has a rather large section of immigrants that are financially not the typical iPhone user, and because of ridiculous foreign phone call rates for contract phones is beholden to pre-paid SIM cards from companies that specialize in foreign calls to countries like e.g. Turkey, etc. The second largest Turkish city by population is Berlin, in Germany.


    - Germany has many tinkerers, and Android phones are easier to tinker with than Apple's iOS prison.


    - There are plenty of older people, who are traditionally feature phone users, who may end up getting an Android, because the price difference is minimal, but who see no point in spending "all that extra money for things I don't need". (Germans are smart with money, they don't spend on things they don't need, they save, unlike the US population that spends even money it doesn't have).


     


    In short, there are plenty of iPhone users in Germany, but there are also plenty who are priced out of the iPhone market and plenty who want to play more with their phone than the iPhone allows.


     


    The moment Apple sells phones that are affordable at full price, without subsidy, factory unlocked, open for all SIM cards and all networks, Apple's sales will go up in Germany. The moment Apple gives the OWNER root access to the phone, there'll be another, minor bump.

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  • Reply 73 of 92
    rcfarcfa Posts: 1,124member

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    Germans are price sensitive and they spit out cars like Mercedes Benz, Audi, BMTroubleU, Porsche?  Audio mfg like Acapella, Adam Audio, Bermester, Coda, German Physiks, MBL and many others?  Oh, OK.  I guess.   



     


    Germans are smart with money, on average, they don't spend extra money if the specs don't warrant it.


    A Porsche 911 clearly drives differently than a Chevy, particularly on the German Autobahn, or on curvy mountain roads. On top of that, the car has a special status in Germany...


     


    But an iPhone isn't massively better to send an SMS, place a phone call, or check the local weather forecast, so if all you do is the basic phone/feature phone things, why would you spend extra money on a phone if you can get a cheaper one?


     


    On top of that, in Germany one hides his money, one doesn't show it off. So if someone buys an S-class Mercedes, they'll have the tags removed, because they don't want everyone to know that they got the bigger engine and the all-wheel drive option and spend extra money. People with an iPhone keep in neatly in a (leather) case, so nobody can tell what phone it is, etc.


     


    Different culture, different values, even in the section that is a potential iPhone customer. And then there are all the other parts of German society, which I mentioned before, so I won't go there again.

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  • Reply 74 of 92
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    What is your goal with this crap?

    Motorola managed to cram a 4.3 or 4.5 display on a phone that has the same dimensions has an iPhone.
    Look at the HTC one.
    Loot at the Moto x.
    Heck, look at the shitty s4.

    is apple the only one incapable of doing it?

    You tried this once before - and I already pointed out that you're wrong.

    None of those is the same dimensions as an iPhone. Virtually every dimension is larger - ranging from only trivially larger to much larger.
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  • Reply 75 of 92
    jragosta wrote: »
    You tried this once before - and I already pointed out that you're wrong.

    None of those is the same dimensions as an iPhone. Virtually every dimension is larger - ranging from only trivially larger to much larger.

    I don't believe he meant all those phones are the same size as the iPhone, the only that really comes close is the Moto X. He's referring to how manufacturers have been able to fit a bigger screen in the same form factor that previously housed a smaller screen.
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  • Reply 76 of 92

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    You tried this once before - and I already pointed out that you're wrong.



    None of those is the same dimensions as an iPhone. Virtually every dimension is larger - ranging from only trivially larger to much larger.


    And some of them very confortable to hold.


     


    Again, if you guys will try the "bad build quality" or "bad screen" argument, look at the HTC one. Done by a 100x smaller company. Better screen, better sound, better build quality, better camera (?). Far from "too big". Stunning device.


     


    Battery life? Note.


     


    My point was that it doesn't take a much larger phone for a much bigger screen...

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  • Reply 77 of 92

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    I don't believe he meant all those phones are the same size as the iPhone, the only that really comes close is the Moto X. He's referring to how manufacturers have been able to fit a bigger screen in the same form factor that previously housed a smaller screen.


    Am I that stupid for saying that it is proven time and time again that there is a huge premium segment for phones with bigger screens? Am I that stupid for saying that there are phones out there with bigger screens+much better screens+ even better build quality+ stunning design made by much smaller and usually incompetent companies, so that means that Apple is just "milking it"?


     


    I frankly don't get some of these guys. They are so blind and arrogants. "I don't want a bigger iPhone!" So what, don't buy one, buy the 4" version.


     


    But not... They want the only status symbol, the bright Apple and latest version of it.


     


    It becomes frustrating trying to have a decent discussion with a bunch of blind guys. Seriously.

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  • Reply 78 of 92
    Am I that stupid for saying that it is proven time and time again that there is a huge premium segment for phones with bigger screens? Am I that stupid for saying that there are phones out there with bigger screens+much better screens+ even better build quality+ stunning design made by much smaller and usually incompetent companies, so that means that Apple is just "milking it"?

    I frankly don't get some of these guys. They are so blind and arrogants. "I don't want a bigger iPhone!" So what, don't buy one, buy the 4" version.

    But not... They want the only status symbol, the bright Apple and latest version of it.

    It becomes frustrating trying to have a decent discussion with a bunch of blind guys. Seriously.

    I don't think that you're stupid at all, there are a multitude of people that would like a bigger iPhone but the fact is that Apple isn't going to build one until there's no tradeoffs. While there are people switching to a bigger phone there are way more switching to the iPhone.
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  • Reply 79 of 92

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    I don't think that you're stupid at all, there are a multitude of people that would like a bigger iPhone but the fact is that Apple isn't going to build one until there's no tradeoffs. While there are people switching to a bigger phone there are way more switching to the iPhone.


    This is why i think I'm becoming stupid.


     


    Bigger phones with twice the battery life of the iphone : check (Note, Maxx, etc)


    Bigger phones with similar or better build quality: check (htc one)


    Bigger phones with great looks: check (htc one, Moto X)


    Bigger phones with screens better than the one used on the iphone on every metric: check (htc one)


     


    Phones just a bit bigger with much bigger screens: check.


     


    What's missing?


     


    I really hope that they are waiting for something to regain better-screen status, like IGZO and leading materials, like liquidmetal.


     


    What are the tradeoffs, again?

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  • Reply 80 of 92
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

     

    This is why i think I'm becoming stupid.

     

    Bigger phones with twice the battery life of the iphone : check (Note, Maxx, etc)

    Bigger phones with similar or better build quality: check (htc one)

    Bigger phones with great looks: check (htc one, Moto X)

    Bigger phones with screens better than the one used on the iphone on every metric: check (htc one)

     

    Phones just a bit bigger with much bigger screens: check.

     

    What's missing?

     

    I really hope that they are waiting for something to regain better-screen status, like IGZO and leading materials, like liquidmetal.

     

    What are the tradeoffs, again?


    Notice all your example were not well meet by the buying public. Apple obviously understand something that most cell phone companies and the public does not understand that well. It is obvious that screen size was not the major determining factor in a cell phone purchase otherwise Apple would have made the adjustment.

     

    Apple has shown time and time again they understand the purchasing habits of consumers and what things they hold at a higher value over other things. It would be as simple as they rather the phone fit in their pocket over a larger screen, fitting into the pocket has a higher value of screen size. You may not agree, but if 90% of the consumer want pocket fitting phone do you think Apple is going to focus on the 10% of the population who as a bigger screen.

     

    When you put feature into a product not all features have the same value, the worse companies either try to put all the feature into one product which sucks as an all in one, or they make a number of different product with various feature sets in hopes of getting 100% of markets requires using lots of different products which cost lots. Or you do what Apple does which us to understand which feature has higher value and then rank those features on a value scale and make one product that delivers the highs value to the most number of people.

     

    You can do this with Market research, but this take time and you would loose out to the market because you are late. Or you have Steve Jobs who seems to understand what people valued the most make the decision and move forward before the competition figures it out.

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