So, why should I buy a new MBP or iMac if the one I have is already perfect (for me) ?
You shouldn't, if all is working perfectly for you. But you also need to consider that time is money. So the question you need to ask yourself is: Would getting a new MBP help increase my productivity for a given time frame? If the answer is yes, even after you consider the time to purchase it and migrate your account from your Time Machine backup (which I'm sure you do since it's a production machine), and the cost to buy a new machine and the negative cost you get from selling your old machine will turn into money earned over the projected life of the machine, then you should do it. No one can answer this expect you.
Then don't buy one. Problem solved. Considering that you had no intention of buying one, anyway (based on your endless anti-Apple rants), it's no loss.
What the **** are you talking about?
Anti-Apple rants? Wow, talk about being a retarded. I have and love a macbook air. It's just that, unlike the likes of you, I can be rational and objective.
Always defending billion dollars corporations because "yes"... please... pathetic. At least try and back up your claims, troll.
I bought the newest late-2012 21" iMac to the max and am a bit underwhelmed. The screen is dated and the coating picks up the slightest fingerprints and is a bitch to get clean. I'm spoiled with my retina iPhone and iPad. Hopefully Mavericks will bring me back to it.
True but they are extremely overpriced, you can purchase two monitors for the same price with the exact same LG panel found in Apples 27" with more inputs. For the same price you can have the incredible 27” NEC MultiSync PA272W-BK, which is probably one of the most incredible none 4K monitors out there.
Nonsense.
The best price I could find on that NEC monitor was $999 plus shipping.
For the same $999, you can get the Apple display with Thunderbolt - and free shipping.
For only $800 more, you get that screen (if you are correct about it being the same panel - which I doubt given how 99.9% of everything you post is wrong), you get a 27" 3.2GHz quad-core Intel Core i5
Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz
8GB (two 4GB) memory
1TB hard drive1
NVIDIA GeForce GT 755M with 1GB video memory
I bought the newest late-2012 21" iMac to the max and am a bit underwhelmed. The screen is dated and the coating picks up the slightest fingerprints and is a bitch to get clean.
I'm spoiled with my retina iPhone and iPad.
Hopefully Mavericks will bring me back to it.
Why are you touching your computer screen? And what's dated about the screen?
Not really relevant to the point of the article though, which is that PC sales are improving while Mac sales are declining. Regardless of what's happening with tablets, people are still buying computers but they're not buying Macs.
-Retina models still are expensive and have little memory (128gb? of course it is ssd but is this an iPad?), no updates in a long time are a joke. Haswell brings tremendous benefits once Apple shows how to use those CPUs. the retina 13" needs iris to be a viable option.
-cMBP are and look outdated and make the whole mac line look bad. Very expensive for what they offer.
-Air is the best laptop around, but has a shitty screen.
-a 17" retina would only do some good.
Maybe just one air model is more than enough (12")? The costs would come down, wouldn't canibalize retina 13", etc.
iMacs saw haswell too late. It's a crime to use 5400rpm drives. People see the possibility of a 4k screen around the corner.
The mini is a joke as it is. Terribly outdated and expensive despite great form factor.
Pros are waiting for the Pro.
OSX and especially iWork and iLife need more focus.
Problems? The vast majority of Mac buyers wouldn't care about a lot of these things.
Careful how you word things. VHS tapes still exist and I bet these Luddites would still agree that VHS is a dead technology. The point being, without properly wording your comment you'd easily be wrong no matter how unused Blu-ray actually is.
You know he means. Blockbuster video ain't coming back in 2020.
Not really relevant to the point of the article though, which is that PC sales are improving while Mac sales are declining. Regardless of what's happening with tablets, people are still buying computers but they're not buying Macs.
Aren't these shipments?
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
Problems with Mac Line:
-Retina models still are expensive and have little memory (128gb? of course it is ssd but is this an iPad?), no updates in a long time are a joke. Haswell brings tremendous benefits once Apple shows how to use those CPUs. the retina 13" needs iris to be a viable option.
-cMBP are and look outdated and make the whole mac line look bad. Very expensive for what they offer.
-Air is the best laptop around, but has a shitty screen.
-a 17" retina would only do some good.
Maybe just one air model is more than enough (12")? The costs would come down, wouldn't canibalize retina 13", etc.
iMacs saw haswell too late. It's a crime to use 5400rpm drives. People see the possibility of a 4k screen around the corner.
The mini is a joke as it is. Terribly outdated and expensive despite great form factor.
Pros are waiting for the Pro.
OSX and especially iWork and iLife need more focus.
Problems? The vast majority of Mac buyers wouldn't care about a lot of these things.
So they wouldn't care about shitty pathetic outdated screens and 128gb storage on a pro machine? Or iWork and iLife?
There are a couple other reasons why Apple's Share is shrinking
1) Win8... to run win8 most people buy new PCs... it's usually the easiest and cheapest way to upgrade.
2) OSX Lion/Mavericks.... to run the latest version of Mac's OS most people... upgrade their current device to the current OS on their current machine.
3) Average useful lifespan of an Mac product is arguably 1.5-2X the length of a PC product (ARGUABLY - Mac laptops are typically more sturdy, and with a greater percentage having no spinning disk, this makes them more reliable, and with less spamware (not no, but less), they degrade over time a bit better than your XP/SP2 or Win7 system.
Well said. The only thing I'd disagree with is the multiplier on life span, I suspect the differential is even larger. Plus of course the value of an older Mac is incredibly high. PC users always forget to factor in the Mac's residual when comparing prices. It's like the difference leasing cars, you can lease Lexus for less than a Ford costing half the price. It's all about depreciation! Point being, as you say we can keep our Macs longer whereas a massive proportion of PC sales are simply because it's cheaper to buy a replacement than fix the piece of crap you already own. Ironically, in the long term they pay far more than a Mac buyer but they will never admit it. But it all keeps those PC sales churning ...
So they wouldn't care about shitty pathetic outdated screens and 128gb storage on a pro machine? Or iWork and iLife?
Yeh right.
Ask anyone what a 4k screen is. Ask anyone if iLife and iWork works for them as it is. The vast majority wouldn't know the former and is satisfied with the latter.
Exist, sure, but they’re not being manufactured. Nor are VCRs.
I bet optical discs in some form will still be manufactured in 2020. I see you set up you arguments with too many holes that can be exploited with your one liners. Just try to be more thorough in your responses and you'll prevent this from happening.
The best price I could find on that NEC monitor was $999 plus shipping.
For the same $999, you can get the Apple display with Thunderbolt - and free shipping.
For only $800 more, you get that screen (if you are correct about it being the same panel - which I doubt given how 99.9% of everything you post is wrong), you get a 27" 3.2GHz quad-core Intel Core i5
Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz
8GB (two 4GB) memory
1TB hard drive1
NVIDIA GeForce GT 755M with 1GB video memory
I din't say the NEC had the same panel. Monospace and a few others use the same panel as Apple. The 27" monitor from Apple was released in July of 2011, why is it still 1,000 dollars? Fore the money though I rather have a pimped out Mac Mini and then buy a 27" AOC monitor, adds up to the same price with 16GB of ram (purchased from eBay, 300.00 vs 120.00), Fusion Drive, faster CPU rating of 8352 vs.7616 though the graphics are better on the iMac. Then pocket the difference for a good NAS drive.
So they wouldn't care about shitty pathetic outdated screens and 128gb storage on a pro machine? Or iWork and iLife?
Yeh right.
Ask anyone what a 4k screen is. Ask anyone if iLife and iWork works for them as it is. The vast majority wouldn't know the former and is satisfied with the latter.
They know the air's screen is shitty against "full hd" and similar stuff and the only reason for Apple to use such crappy panel is:
Greed. Instead of dividends they should focus on these things.
The NEC PA272W-BK, list price is about $600 more than the Apple Thunderbolt monitor, street price is around $300 higher and it's the same resolution. I just checked with a PC reseller and the PA272W-BK, was out of stock.
The other advantage of the Apple monitor is if you buy AppleCare with the computer, the monitor is covered and Apple fixes the monitor on the premises rather than sending it back to NEC for them to fix it. So the Apple has that advantage as well.
The monitor can be had for 1,000, what you said is all true I just want to know why the Apple monitor which is already two years old is still sold at 1,000 dollars. Especially when newer, better monitors can be had for less.
It's amazing how low your technical comprehension is. The same model number on a component does not mean that the components are identical. Even if they were identical in their functional capacities there are still an innumerable number of factors to consider, including the calibration of the display. Why don't you actually read a fuçking review instead of posting stupid links.
It's amazing how low your technical comprehension is. The same model number on a component does not mean that the components are identical. Even if they were identical in their functional capacities there are still an innumerable number of factors to consider, including the calibration of the display. Why don't you actually read a fuçking review instead of posting stupid links.
Why do you assume I didn't, I've read the reviews and they all said the same thing, the monitor is on par with the Apple display in terms of viewing quality because it's the same panel, color gamut as well. It amazes me how rude some of you are.
Yes the Apple is prettier and includes Thunderbolt but a two year old panel that started at 1,000 dollars has no business still being a 1,000 dollars. Not when other manufactures are starting to use the same panel in their cheaper models. That's my whole point, I'm not bad mouthing Apple here so don't take it so personal.
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You shouldn't, if all is working perfectly for you. But you also need to consider that time is money. So the question you need to ask yourself is: Would getting a new MBP help increase my productivity for a given time frame? If the answer is yes, even after you consider the time to purchase it and migrate your account from your Time Machine backup (which I'm sure you do since it's a production machine), and the cost to buy a new machine and the negative cost you get from selling your old machine will turn into money earned over the projected life of the machine, then you should do it. No one can answer this expect you.
Then don't buy one. Problem solved. Considering that you had no intention of buying one, anyway (based on your endless anti-Apple rants), it's no loss.
What the **** are you talking about?
Anti-Apple rants? Wow, talk about being a retarded. I have and love a macbook air. It's just that, unlike the likes of you, I can be rational and objective.
Always defending billion dollars corporations because "yes"... please... pathetic. At least try and back up your claims, troll.
I'm spoiled with my retina iPhone and iPad.
Hopefully Mavericks will bring me back to it.
Nonsense.
The best price I could find on that NEC monitor was $999 plus shipping.
For the same $999, you can get the Apple display with Thunderbolt - and free shipping.
For only $800 more, you get that screen (if you are correct about it being the same panel - which I doubt given how 99.9% of everything you post is wrong), you get a 27" 3.2GHz quad-core Intel Core i5
Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz
8GB (two 4GB) memory
1TB hard drive1
NVIDIA GeForce GT 755M with 1GB video memory
Why are you touching your computer screen? And what's dated about the screen?
Exist, sure, but they’re not being manufactured. Nor are VCRs.
Aren't these shipments?
Problems? The vast majority of Mac buyers wouldn't care about a lot of these things.
You know he means. Blockbuster video ain't coming back in 2020.
Not really relevant to the point of the article though, which is that PC sales are improving while Mac sales are declining. Regardless of what's happening with tablets, people are still buying computers but they're not buying Macs.
Aren't these shipments?
Problems with Mac Line:
-Retina models still are expensive and have little memory (128gb? of course it is ssd but is this an iPad?), no updates in a long time are a joke. Haswell brings tremendous benefits once Apple shows how to use those CPUs. the retina 13" needs iris to be a viable option.
-cMBP are and look outdated and make the whole mac line look bad. Very expensive for what they offer.
-Air is the best laptop around, but has a shitty screen.
-a 17" retina would only do some good.
Maybe just one air model is more than enough (12")? The costs would come down, wouldn't canibalize retina 13", etc.
iMacs saw haswell too late. It's a crime to use 5400rpm drives. People see the possibility of a 4k screen around the corner.
The mini is a joke as it is. Terribly outdated and expensive despite great form factor.
Pros are waiting for the Pro.
OSX and especially iWork and iLife need more focus.
Problems? The vast majority of Mac buyers wouldn't care about a lot of these things.
So they wouldn't care about shitty pathetic outdated screens and 128gb storage on a pro machine? Or iWork and iLife?
Yeh right.
Well said. The only thing I'd disagree with is the multiplier on life span, I suspect the differential is even larger. Plus of course the value of an older Mac is incredibly high. PC users always forget to factor in the Mac's residual when comparing prices. It's like the difference leasing cars, you can lease Lexus for less than a Ford costing half the price. It's all about depreciation! Point being, as you say we can keep our Macs longer whereas a massive proportion of PC sales are simply because it's cheaper to buy a replacement than fix the piece of crap you already own. Ironically, in the long term they pay far more than a Mac buyer but they will never admit it. But it all keeps those PC sales churning ...
Ask anyone what a 4k screen is. Ask anyone if iLife and iWork works for them as it is. The vast majority wouldn't know the former and is satisfied with the latter.
I bet optical discs in some form will still be manufactured in 2020. I see you set up you arguments with too many holes that can be exploited with your one liners. Just try to be more thorough in your responses and you'll prevent this from happening.
No you can't.
http://nofilmschool.com/2013/01/apple-monitor-27-inch-display-monoprice/
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/a-cheap-27-inch-monitor-crossover27q/
Nonsense.
The best price I could find on that NEC monitor was $999 plus shipping.
For the same $999, you can get the Apple display with Thunderbolt - and free shipping.
For only $800 more, you get that screen (if you are correct about it being the same panel - which I doubt given how 99.9% of everything you post is wrong), you get a 27" 3.2GHz quad-core Intel Core i5
Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz
8GB (two 4GB) memory
1TB hard drive1
NVIDIA GeForce GT 755M with 1GB video memory
So they wouldn't care about shitty pathetic outdated screens and 128gb storage on a pro machine? Or iWork and iLife?
Yeh right.
Ask anyone what a 4k screen is. Ask anyone if iLife and iWork works for them as it is. The vast majority wouldn't know the former and is satisfied with the latter.
They know the air's screen is shitty against "full hd" and similar stuff and the only reason for Apple to use such crappy panel is:
Greed. Instead of dividends they should focus on these things.
The NEC PA272W-BK, list price is about $600 more than the Apple Thunderbolt monitor, street price is around $300 higher and it's the same resolution. I just checked with a PC reseller and the PA272W-BK, was out of stock.
The other advantage of the Apple monitor is if you buy AppleCare with the computer, the monitor is covered and Apple fixes the monitor on the premises rather than sending it back to NEC for them to fix it. So the Apple has that advantage as well.
The monitor can be had for 1,000, what you said is all true I just want to know why the Apple monitor which is already two years old is still sold at 1,000 dollars. Especially when newer, better monitors can be had for less.
It's amazing how low your technical comprehension is. The same model number on a component does not mean that the components are identical. Even if they were identical in their functional capacities there are still an innumerable number of factors to consider, including the calibration of the display. Why don't you actually read a fuçking review instead of posting stupid links.
It's amazing how low your technical comprehension is. The same model number on a component does not mean that the components are identical. Even if they were identical in their functional capacities there are still an innumerable number of factors to consider, including the calibration of the display. Why don't you actually read a fuçking review instead of posting stupid links.
Why do you assume I didn't, I've read the reviews and they all said the same thing, the monitor is on par with the Apple display in terms of viewing quality because it's the same panel, color gamut as well. It amazes me how rude some of you are.
http://www.macworld.com/article/2049042/monoprice-glass-panel-pro-review-affordable-alternative-to-apple-display.html
http://www.macworld.com/product/1252517/27-ips-led-crystalpro-monitor-wqhd.html
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mac/entry/monoprice-27-ips-led-crystalpro-monitor/
...and two more that are cheap with fantastic panel technology
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/aoc-i2757fh-viewsonic-vx2770smh-ah-ips,3385.html
Yes the Apple is prettier and includes Thunderbolt but a two year old panel that started at 1,000 dollars has no business still being a 1,000 dollars. Not when other manufactures are starting to use the same panel in their cheaper models. That's my whole point, I'm not bad mouthing Apple here so don't take it so personal.