Apple earned more than Samsung, LG, Nokia, Huawei, Lenovo & Motorola's mobile shipments combined

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  • Reply 161 of 213
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
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    Originally Posted by QwertyJuan View Post

     

     

    They are a MONTH faster to 40M than the S3 was.... guess what that means? Faster growth.

     

    The Note 3 is currently shipping TWICE as fast as the Note 2.... guess what that means? Faster growth.

     

    What am I missing that you aren't?


     

    ...and iPhones easily outsell both.

     

    So what does Samsung count as an "S4", S4, S4 LTE, S4 LTE Class 4, S4 Active, S4 Mini?

  • Reply 162 of 213
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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

     

     

    ...and iPhones easily outsell both.

     

    So what does Samsung count as an "S4", S4, S4 LTE, S4 LTE Class 4, S4 Active, S4 Mini?


     

    I like how you say "iPhones".... yes they do... ESPECIALLY since everyone throws in 4S, 5, 5C and 5S sales in one large bucket.

     

    And nope... Samsung's sales for the S4 were only for the standard S4.... I won't link an article. Don't want to upset the "bees" :)

  • Reply 163 of 213
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
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    Originally Posted by burts bees View Post



    He

    he's a samsung low end user and apologist. Nothing matters to him apparently.



    Laggy interface

    Inferior screen quality

    Slow in practically every way performance

    Crippling ecosystem

    Fragmented OS

    Inferior hardware

    Viruses

    Etc etc etc.



    But don't let that fool him.



    Emerging markets class things up when everything else fails!!



    Watch out.. Here he comes with facts and numbers.. Get out your notepad!

     

    You left out absurdly low onboard memory, especially after Samsung duplicates all the Google services with their own brand of crap.

     

    Selling an S4 as a 16GB phone is ridiculous when it ships with a little over 9GB free and that's if you delete everything you possibly can without voiding the warranty by rooting it..

  • Reply 164 of 213
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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

     

     

    I don't know, ask Google.


     

    I already know the answer... I was hoping someone else would realize how stupid their argument was about Samsung's tax being less than Apple's... yeah right.

     

    http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2733381992001/sec-ends-probe-of-apples-102b-in-offshore-cash/ if anyone is interested, it's 102 BILLION.

  • Reply 165 of 213
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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

     

     

    Racist?

     

    Either people can afford to buy a high end phone or not, there is nothing racist about a division of wealth.

     

    Samsung panders to those who cannot afford high end phones, starting at less than $50 for low end pieces of junk which make up the majority of their sales and run Android so are counted as smartphones even though they aren't really used that way, as shown by various usage metrics.


     

    I am not saying he IS racist... it was merely a question being posed, which incidentally he refused to answer.

  • Reply 166 of 213
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
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    Originally Posted by QwertyJuan View Post

     

     

    I like how you say "iPhones".... yes they do... ESPECIALLY since everyone throws in 4S, 5, 5C and 5S sales in one large bucket.

     

    And nope... Samsung's sales for the S4 were only for the standard S4.... I won't link an article. Don't want to upset the "bees" :)


     

    "Standard" S4, would that be the Qualcomm LTE model or the Octocore 3G model?

     

    Here's the source you referred to.

     

    P.S. It's in Korean

  • Reply 167 of 213
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

     

     

    You left out absurdly low onboard memory, especially after Samsung duplicates all the Google services with their own brand of crap.

     

    Selling an S4 as a 16GB phone is ridiculous when it ships with a little over 9GB free and that's if you delete everything you possibly can without voiding the warranty by rooting it..


     

    This is true... VERY true. I agree completely... the bloatware Samsung installs on their phones is ridiculous. Only bonus I can see here is that I can EASILY install an insanely cheap micro-SD into the phone and get tons of CHEAP storage on which to play movies on the go, whereas that cannot be done with my iPhone.

  • Reply 168 of 213
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by QwertyJuan View Post

     

     

    I already know the answer... I was hoping someone else would realize how stupid their argument was about Samsung's tax being less than Apple's... yeah right.

     

    http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2733381992001/sec-ends-probe-of-apples-102b-in-offshore-cash/ if anyone is interested, it's 102 BILLION.


     

    I meant ask Google about avoiding tax, they do it better than Apple.

  • Reply 169 of 213
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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

     

     

    "Standard" S4, would that be the Qualcomm LTE model or the Octocore 3G model?

     

    Here's the source.

     

    P.S. It's in Korean


     

    #1 - Sorry, but that is NOT the source... that article is talking about the Note 3, NOT the S4.

     

    #2 - BOTH of those are considered "standard" S4s... I realize they both have different processors, which Apple would never do(Samsung did... so what?) HOWEVER trying to differentiate two phones based on their cellular connectivity is absurd. If that is the case, then do we need to start breaking down iPhone sales into separate categories as well?

  • Reply 170 of 213
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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

     

     

    I meant ask Google about avoiding tax, they do it better than Apple.


     

    LOL, I thought you meant GOOGLE it... sorry, I misunderstood. ;)

     

    As far as who "hides" the most... I have no clue, I just know they ALL do it. Apple was just the one that came to mind because of them being in the new recently.

  • Reply 171 of 213
    I'm with qwerty on this one, I don't understand what burst means with "emerging markets" "cheap phones".
    Qwerty is not talking about the products, he's talking about profits. If you have arguments to refute that their earnings are "wrong" then say something, don't ask someone to address an issue that has nothing to do with the point they were making if you are not adding anything yourself.

    At first I was annoyed by Qwerty, but after reading burst's answers to his simple posts I just couldn't take burst's posts.
  • Reply 172 of 213
    qwertyjuan wrote: »
    Yes it was... it had only sold 30 Million @ 6 months. And the Note 3 has sold 5 Million in a month, whereas it took two months for the Note 2.

    So why do S4 users use flickr so much less than S3 users? Why are Note 3 users not using flickr at all ?
    flick dot com/cameras/samsung/
  • Reply 173 of 213
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    qwertyjuan wrote: »
    I already know the answer... I was hoping someone else would realize how stupid their argument was about Samsung's tax being less than Apple's... yeah right.

    http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2733381992001/sec-ends-probe-of-apples-102b-in-offshore-cash/ if anyone is interested, it's 102 BILLION.

    Not hiding. Money made outside the US. Just not being repatriated at the current tax rate.
  • Reply 174 of 213
    joshajosha Posts: 901member

    Here Samsung's more recent smart phones are selling discounted.

    Samsung buyers are simply attracted to cheap, with little or no down payment.

    Even 3+ yr older Samsung smart phones are still being pushed. My 3 yr iPhone4 contract ends in Jan, my carrier has offered me a Samsung phone now (early no penalty) with nothing down, in fact they will pay me $25 to take it!

  • Reply 175 of 213
    qwertyjuan wrote: »
    LOL, I thought you meant GOOGLE it... sorry, I misunderstood. ;)

    As far as who "hides" the most... I have no clue, I just know they ALL do it. Apple was just the one that came to mind because of them being in the new recently.

    When you talk about Samsung's profits/margins/sales/whatever, do you mean Samsung mobile? Samsung fab? Samsung group? We cannot compare Apples to grapes (see what I did here? ;-) )
  • Reply 176 of 213
    jdunys wrote: »
    When you talk about Samsung's profits/margins/sales/whatever, do you mean Samsung mobile? Samsung fab? Samsung group? We cannot compare Apples to grapes (see what I did here? ;-) )

    I was actually referring to Samsung as a whole. Just like I am referring to Apple as a whole.
  • Reply 177 of 213
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,025member
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    Originally Posted by QwertyJuan View Post

     

     

    LOL... and HOW much of Apple's money is stored off shore for these "tax write off" purposes??


     Just because Apple has about $100 billion in cash off shore doesn't mean that they didn't pay taxes on any of it. In fact Apple paid the tax in the country the money was made. They are only avoiding US tax by keeping the money off shore. I'm sure some of that money was taxed at a lower rate than Korea and some more than that of Korea. But you thinking that Apple didn't pay any tax on that money just show that you really don't understand how to read the financial statement of a company. And you thinking that it's a "tax write off" proves it even more. 

     

    BTW- Foreign sales is about 60% of Apple revenue. That means that 40% of Apple revenue is taxed in the US. Apple do not move money they make in the US off shore to avoid paying taxes on it. That would be illegal and the US has already came out and stated that Apple was not doing anything illegal when they concluded their investigation of Apple off shore money. But I think (though Apple doesn't break it down exactly), the revenue from iPhones alone is greater in the US than from foreign sales. It's known that the US is Apple biggest market for the iPhone.  

  • Reply 178 of 213
    So why do S4 users use flickr so much less than S3 users? Why are Note 3 users not using flickr at all ?
    flick dot com/cameras/samsung/

    I'm guessing because the S4 has been out for 6 months as opposed to a year and 6 months for the S3? Or maybe S4 users don't use Flickr? I honestly don't know. And to tell you the truth I really couldn't care less, lol. I am NOT a Samsung fan. I will repeat until that gets through. I was simply posting some links so that you could be informed and dispell some wrong information.
  • Reply 179 of 213
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    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

     

     

    As a consumer they are all over priced in my opinion.

     

    In Apple's  and other companies' opinion... well, they'd be stupid to price something lower when they know they'll do better financially if they price it higher.


     

     

    what??


    Apple is selling the 16 GB version for a profit of less than 1 entire dollar.


    is that overpriced??
  • Reply 180 of 213
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,025member
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    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

     

    I see that only one person has tried to decipher Apple's channel inventory for me.

     

    If nobody knows what it means then I'm wondering how relevant that data really is to the masses.


    Apple channel inventory is use to buffer any production problem or any anticipated big jump in sales due to promotions or seasonal event like Christmas. If there's a problem with production like yield problem, fire, earthquake, worker strike, etc., Apple would want to have enough inventory in their channel to meet the demand, until the production problem is fixed. Since Christmas is around the quarter, I'm sure Apple would want more inventory in their channel now, to meet the upcoming demand. Apple just can't double production a couple of months before Christmas, when they already at near max. So it's no surprise that Apple has increased their channel inventory before the Christmas quarter.

     

    As far as I know, Apple does not count channel inventory as "sold". That would be pointless because most of Apple inventory is sitting in their Apple stores or in their own warehouses. Apple can't sell it to themselves and report that they sold it. Though they might count third party sellers inventory as sold. But since most third party sellers often run out of inventory, it safe to assume that all their inventory will be eventually be sold sooner than later. 

     

    Unlike Samsung, whose inventory channel is nearly all third party. So Samsung counts channel inventory as sold, even though it may be sitting in a Best Buy warehouse and may never be sold. Or at a least sold at any where near their originall retail price. This means that Samsung can increase channel inventory and make it look like they sold a lot more than they actually did. Dell was a master at this. Dell would stuff the inventory before the end of the quarter to make sure they meet their numbers and then offer a rebate the next quarter to get rid of the inventory. And then they don't mail out the rebate until the quarter after that, so all the revenue from the sale shows up in the quarter it's sold. And then they would stuff the channel again. It usually takes a quarter or two, but we eventually we find out how much "channel stuffing" was done when we see a rebates, big reduction in price or buy one get one free deals to get rid of unsold inventory. Or a write down in earnings because they had to buy back any unsold inventory. But sometime all of these events may just mean that the company misjudged demand. Like MS did with their Surface.  

     

    It means nothing to the masses. But share holders knows that there are analysis that likes to use or misuse the data to influence AAPL stock.

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