Here, Portugal, most Android users I know use TMN maps, because it allows you to download the entire map of the country and access it offline.
Nokia Maps allows for the same thing, which is fantastic when your out of country and don't want to pay for those outrageous data roaming charges. I would love it if I could use Nokia Maps on my iPad Air as that screen is so perfect for everything.
Here, Portugal, most Android users I know use TMN maps, because it allows you to download the entire map of the country and access it offline.
Nokia Maps allows for the same thing, which is fantastic when your out of country and don't want to pay for those outrageous data roaming charges. I would love it if I could use Nokia Maps on my iPad Air as that screen is so perfect for everything.
Can't do that with the US. However I believe Apple Maps downloads a 200 mile radius or something like that.
I'd guess it's a specific data limit rather than sq miles just like Google Maps does, so the downloadable map area available for off-line use (local storage) might vary. Maybe Nokia handles it differently tho.
EDIT: An article on Nokia Here for iOS says "Offline Maps only work with one-specific map area, as users are only able to download 10MB of mapping data for offline use." Not entirely certain that's (still?) accurate.
I believe Apple does collect personal information, and Apple themselves say they do right there in their privacy policy (that few ever bother to read). They even say they may use it for advertising purposes. Like you tho I don't believe they sell that personal information anymore than Google does. Both say it's a prohibited practice.
Google is a Ad company, they will sell all that is you if they can, why? all revenue and profit (97%) come from Ads.
wow. Google should really learn how to play nice. If they remained happy with offering internet services they would do very well. A Google services + Apple hardware + iOS is a dream machine.
But Google got greedy and stabbed Apple in the back with Android. Then they buy Motorola to build phones. Now Apple will begin taking away Google services from iOS devices one app at a time. Its only a matter of time that Apple switches out Google search. Bottom line is Google dipping into hardware/mobile OS platforms have not netted them any money. In fact they are losing over a billion dollars a year on Motorola and probably tens of millions from all the iOS users leaving Google Maps. Once Apple finds a suitable replacement for Google search or strenthens Siri's usability they will be toast.
Instead of worring about hardware/OS Google should have concentrated on search/ads. Now we have Facebook and Twitter coming into play. iRadio. Ect. All these will be begin pealing away search dollars.
Google is a Ad company, they will sell all that is you if they can, why? all revenue and profit (97%) come from Ads.
Google's revenue doesn't come just from ads and no where near 97% of it. You're remembering old figures from a few years back. I think currently it's something just south of 90% now. They've been concentrating more heavily on the hardware and paid services side for some time now and I suspect it will become ever more important to them in the future. Chromecast, Google Glass, various Nexus devices, hopefully better and more creative hardware from Motorola especially outside of smartphones, Google media sales (movies/music), cloud subscriptions, paid Google services, etc.
Here, Portugal, most Android users I know use TMN maps, because it allows you to download the entire map of the country and access it offline.
Good lord that would suck big time. Most people get the smaller 16GB version of iOS devices and that country wide map would fill it up a bit. As Junkmark already wrote, Apple Maps downloads a part of what you have been browsing. And if you plan a route is downloads that for offline viewing as well. Used it this summer when on holiday in France. Worked flawless.
And if I wanted to have a whole country I'd get a dedicated map app for it. I hear Tom[superscript]2[/superscript] is like $50 or something but I'm sure Nokia has something comparable as well. Don't think they'll have Transit though, that could be a big deal for some.
I think there's a significant number of people who still use Google maps but just don't bother to install the app. These numbers are for app usage only. I for one still use Google's mapping service but usually do it over Safari rather then the app. I installed the app after Google updated it but it still lacked a bunch of features on the web version and I thought it was clunky.
I think you're right on, and this unaccounted for variable means we really don't know what the 80% means in real-world terms... ...of course that doesn't mean we can't comment away anyway....
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...Apple will begin taking away Google services from iOS devices one app at a time. Its only a matter of time that Apple switches out Google search. Bottom line is Google dipping into hardware/mobile OS platforms have not netted them any money. In fact they are losing over a billion dollars a year on Motorola and probably tens of millions from all the iOS users leaving Google Maps. Once Apple finds a suitable replacement for Google search or strenthens Siri's usability they will be toast.
Instead of worring about hardware/OS Google should have concentrated on search/ads. Now we have Facebook and Twitter coming into play. iRadio. Ect. All these will be begin pealing away search dollars.
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SIRI uses Bing now.
Most Google services are in fairly to very insecure positions for the long run. There's nothing inherently unique or superior about Android, Chrome or GMail, e.g. However, displacing Google Search is another matter altogether. G's Search, Analytics and ads are intertwined and insinuated deeply throughout most of the internet.
And by nearly all reports, MS - despite really a lot of work (visit once a month and you can easily see the evolution) is losing a ton in order to achieve Bing's distant second place showing (and IMO generally second-best results for my purposes).
There's also speculation about whether MS or Yahoo will the company ending up with their shared endeavors here, although MS still seems to view search (and Bing Services) as strategic for the company at this point.
So I just don't see Apple trying to go head to head with Google on search anytime soon. That would take a vast long-term capital investment and many thousands (or tens of thousands) of highly skilled new staff with no guarantee of success - especially if was limited to running on Apple devices.
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I am an iOS user and love the products and apps. but I'm still stunned by how powerfully the iOS user base is as a force.
If I were Google, I'd be ruing ever going ahead with Android. The results have got to been a net lose.
Jury's still out - depends on the time frame you examine. I'm not interested in Android, but it's obviously improving and it's gonna be around (and dominating the low end - yet generating market share stats that analysts keep rolling out) for years to come. How that's monetized, directly, semi-directly or indirectly by Google - and issues like Amazon's "forking" are other matters... ...still it's undeniable that Android and Chrome have increased GOOG's total footprint in the whole digital ball of wax....
I'd say Gmail is unique. Sucks even more than the mail service from Microsoft, whom I thought to have a monopoly on crap software.
May I ask what is wrong with Gmail. I have had Gmail for almost 8 years now and I have never had any problems with it including Spam. Same goes with my Hotmail, Yahoo or AOL account, all of them just fine. Though not sure why I still have an AOL account.
Most Google services are in fairly to very insecure positions for the long run. There's nothing inherently unique or superior about Android, Chrome or GMail, e.g.
Where do you get that from, Chrome now has more then 50% of the browser market and is still climbing, Gmail is the most used email service, surpassing Hotmail last year, Docs is still number one, not sure why as I prefer MS's Office online available in Skydrive. There is absolutely no data that suggests Google's web services is dwindling. Google+ maybe but that is a fairly new service and frankly people already have Facebook. I'm not sure about Drive, it's a good service though, they give out 15GB of free storage and it only costs 100 dollars a year for 200GB of storage, compared to Apples 100 dollars for only 50GB that's pretty incredible, MS now offers the same deal and frankly I find Skydrive to be the best Cloud storage out of all of them. At least here in Switzerland as they are extremely fast to upload data to. I can post a 1GB video in 15 minutes.
As far as superior, well I don't think there is anyone mobile OS that I would call master of all, they all have their weakness and strengths and I happen to like them all. Browser, I still prefer Opera, Firefox used to be my favorite but it sucks now, Chrome is pretty decent, I only use Safari on my iPad but am using Chrome more because it's cross platform. Gmail, yeah it's a free email service, there all the same to me.
But Google got greedy and stabbed Apple in the back with Android.
Are you for real? "Stabbed Apple in the back?" This isn't some fluffy universe where there's any room for sentiment; it's business, and the mobile sector is as cut-throat as any.
Some people on this forum urgently need to be disabused of the notion that the world owes Apple a favour.
There were claims Google wanted to but Apple put up roadblocks (too?). Some of the rumors include Apple wouldn't agree to label it as Google Maps or share the data Apple was collecting with it.. There's lots of rumors around so whatever you want to believe is as valid as anyone else's guess unless one of the players decides to comment.
... Chromecast, Google Glass, various Nexus devices, hopefully better and more creative hardware from Motorola especially outside of smartphones, Google media sales (movies/music), cloud subscriptions, paid Google services, etc.
Each to his own I guess, I predominately look at programming sites and out of all the search engines Google has always found the answer to my question in the quickest and most accurate manner. I really dislike Yahoo, I would use Bing, there is this great little program for my Windows 8 tablet that searches all of the web engines including Wikipedia and custom options all at once and then sorts out the duplicates. I use that more then anything, sometimes Bing or Yahoo will come up with a result that wasn't included in Google's results but most of the time Google has what I need. Hatred for Google is a silly thing as I'm in the firm belief that ALL corporations are inherently evil. If Google had a better relationship with Apple it wouldn't be a issue here, blah, blah Google is spying on us, who isn't nowadays. I don't allow one billion dollar company to dictate the way I feel about another, if that was the case I wouldn't use Apple products because they contain Samsung components.
I use all of them to find answers to technical questions in my role as Systems Engineer. Google often comes up with very crap results weighted heavily towards those willing to pay. It's often about 2 or 3 pages in before I can get somewhere but often then it's getting further and further from the results I need.
Yahoo is not different. I hate Google not because I hate Google as a company but because their products have never really fulfilled my needs and often give me crap results. Maps is a classic example of this where maps outside of the States are a complete joke. It took Google 5 years to give me proper driving directions to my old house, 3 of those were using old maps that hadn't even been used since before Google Maps even existed as a product. Apple had a couple of hiccups but in one case I noted a missing road and it was fixed within a week.
I'm not prepared to trust something as important as driving directions to a company that is so slow to react. Yahoo might not be a better product but for my needs it's a damn good offering.
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That's what the majority of Android users are doing, nice and cheap with no pesky data plans.
What evidence do you have to back up that statement? Where I live, it's virtually impossible to get a phone contract without a data plan these days.
Not everyone needs Maps. For example:
Here, Portugal, most Android users I know use TMN maps, because it allows you to download the entire map of the country and access it offline.
Nokia Maps allows for the same thing, which is fantastic when your out of country and don't want to pay for those outrageous data roaming charges. I would love it if I could use Nokia Maps on my iPad Air as that screen is so perfect for everything.
You can through your browser.
You can through your browser.
Download an entire countries map including train and other public transit info?
Can't do that with the US. However I believe Apple Maps downloads a 200 mile radius or something like that.
I'd guess it's a specific data limit rather than sq miles just like Google Maps does, so the downloadable map area available for off-line use (local storage) might vary. Maybe Nokia handles it differently tho.
EDIT: An article on Nokia Here for iOS says "Offline Maps only work with one-specific map area, as users are only able to download 10MB of mapping data for offline use." Not entirely certain that's (still?) accurate.
That darn Starbucks, huh.
I believe Apple does collect personal information, and Apple themselves say they do right there in their privacy policy (that few ever bother to read). They even say they may use it for advertising purposes. Like you tho I don't believe they sell that personal information anymore than Google does. Both say it's a prohibited practice.
Google is a Ad company, they will sell all that is you if they can, why? all revenue and profit (97%) come from Ads.
wow. Google should really learn how to play nice. If they remained happy with offering internet services they would do very well. A Google services + Apple hardware + iOS is a dream machine.
But Google got greedy and stabbed Apple in the back with Android. Then they buy Motorola to build phones. Now Apple will begin taking away Google services from iOS devices one app at a time. Its only a matter of time that Apple switches out Google search. Bottom line is Google dipping into hardware/mobile OS platforms have not netted them any money. In fact they are losing over a billion dollars a year on Motorola and probably tens of millions from all the iOS users leaving Google Maps. Once Apple finds a suitable replacement for Google search or strenthens Siri's usability they will be toast.
Instead of worring about hardware/OS Google should have concentrated on search/ads. Now we have Facebook and Twitter coming into play. iRadio. Ect. All these will be begin pealing away search dollars.
Peel away please.
Google's revenue doesn't come just from ads and no where near 97% of it. You're remembering old figures from a few years back. I think currently it's something just south of 90% now. They've been concentrating more heavily on the hardware and paid services side for some time now and I suspect it will become ever more important to them in the future. Chromecast, Google Glass, various Nexus devices, hopefully better and more creative hardware from Motorola especially outside of smartphones, Google media sales (movies/music), cloud subscriptions, paid Google services, etc.
Good lord that would suck big time. Most people get the smaller 16GB version of iOS devices and that country wide map would fill it up a bit. As Junkmark already wrote, Apple Maps downloads a part of what you have been browsing. And if you plan a route is downloads that for offline viewing as well. Used it this summer when on holiday in France. Worked flawless.
And if I wanted to have a whole country I'd get a dedicated map app for it. I hear Tom[superscript]2[/superscript] is like $50 or something but I'm sure Nokia has something comparable as well. Don't think they'll have Transit though, that could be a big deal for some.
I think there's a significant number of people who still use Google maps but just don't bother to install the app. These numbers are for app usage only. I for one still use Google's mapping service but usually do it over Safari rather then the app. I installed the app after Google updated it but it still lacked a bunch of features on the web version and I thought it was clunky.
I think you're right on, and this unaccounted for variable means we really don't know what the 80% means in real-world terms... ...of course that doesn't mean we can't comment away anyway....
Quote:...Apple will begin taking away Google services from iOS devices one app at a time. Its only a matter of time that Apple switches out Google search. Bottom line is Google dipping into hardware/mobile OS platforms have not netted them any money. In fact they are losing over a billion dollars a year on Motorola and probably tens of millions from all the iOS users leaving Google Maps. Once Apple finds a suitable replacement for Google search or strenthens Siri's usability they will be toast.
Instead of worring about hardware/OS Google should have concentrated on search/ads. Now we have Facebook and Twitter coming into play. iRadio. Ect. All these will be begin pealing away search dollars.
SIRI uses Bing now.
Most Google services are in fairly to very insecure positions for the long run. There's nothing inherently unique or superior about Android, Chrome or GMail, e.g. However, displacing Google Search is another matter altogether. G's Search, Analytics and ads are intertwined and insinuated deeply throughout most of the internet.
And by nearly all reports, MS - despite really a lot of work (visit once a month and you can easily see the evolution) is losing a ton in order to achieve Bing's distant second place showing (and IMO generally second-best results for my purposes).
There's also speculation about whether MS or Yahoo will the company ending up with their shared endeavors here, although MS still seems to view search (and Bing Services) as strategic for the company at this point.
So I just don't see Apple trying to go head to head with Google on search anytime soon. That would take a vast long-term capital investment and many thousands (or tens of thousands) of highly skilled new staff with no guarantee of success - especially if was limited to running on Apple devices.
I am an iOS user and love the products and apps. but I'm still stunned by how powerfully the iOS user base is as a force.
If I were Google, I'd be ruing ever going ahead with Android. The results have got to been a net lose.
Jury's still out - depends on the time frame you examine. I'm not interested in Android, but it's obviously improving and it's gonna be around (and dominating the low end - yet generating market share stats that analysts keep rolling out) for years to come. How that's monetized, directly, semi-directly or indirectly by Google - and issues like Amazon's "forking" are other matters... ...still it's undeniable that Android and Chrome have increased GOOG's total footprint in the whole digital ball of wax....
I'd say Gmail is unique. Sucks even more than the mail service from Microsoft, whom I thought to have a monopoly on crap software.
I'd say Gmail is unique. Sucks even more than the mail service from Microsoft, whom I thought to have a monopoly on crap software.
May I ask what is wrong with Gmail. I have had Gmail for almost 8 years now and I have never had any problems with it including Spam. Same goes with my Hotmail, Yahoo or AOL account, all of them just fine. Though not sure why I still have an AOL account.
Most Google services are in fairly to very insecure positions for the long run. There's nothing inherently unique or superior about Android, Chrome or GMail, e.g.
Where do you get that from, Chrome now has more then 50% of the browser market and is still climbing, Gmail is the most used email service, surpassing Hotmail last year, Docs is still number one, not sure why as I prefer MS's Office online available in Skydrive. There is absolutely no data that suggests Google's web services is dwindling. Google+ maybe but that is a fairly new service and frankly people already have Facebook. I'm not sure about Drive, it's a good service though, they give out 15GB of free storage and it only costs 100 dollars a year for 200GB of storage, compared to Apples 100 dollars for only 50GB that's pretty incredible, MS now offers the same deal and frankly I find Skydrive to be the best Cloud storage out of all of them. At least here in Switzerland as they are extremely fast to upload data to. I can post a 1GB video in 15 minutes.
As far as superior, well I don't think there is anyone mobile OS that I would call master of all, they all have their weakness and strengths and I happen to like them all. Browser, I still prefer Opera, Firefox used to be my favorite but it sucks now, Chrome is pretty decent, I only use Safari on my iPad but am using Chrome more because it's cross platform. Gmail, yeah it's a free email service, there all the same to me.
But Google got greedy and stabbed Apple in the back with Android.
Are you for real? "Stabbed Apple in the back?" This isn't some fluffy universe where there's any room for sentiment; it's business, and the mobile sector is as cut-throat as any.
Some people on this forum urgently need to be disabused of the notion that the world owes Apple a favour.
There were claims Google wanted to but Apple put up roadblocks (too?). Some of the rumors include Apple wouldn't agree to label it as Google Maps or share the data Apple was collecting with it.. There's lots of rumors around so whatever you want to believe is as valid as anyone else's guess unless one of the players decides to comment.
Have you got any references for these claims?
Arent Google and Moto separate companies?
Arent Google and Moto separate companies?
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Each to his own I guess, I predominately look at programming sites and out of all the search engines Google has always found the answer to my question in the quickest and most accurate manner. I really dislike Yahoo, I would use Bing, there is this great little program for my Windows 8 tablet that searches all of the web engines including Wikipedia and custom options all at once and then sorts out the duplicates. I use that more then anything, sometimes Bing or Yahoo will come up with a result that wasn't included in Google's results but most of the time Google has what I need. Hatred for Google is a silly thing as I'm in the firm belief that ALL corporations are inherently evil. If Google had a better relationship with Apple it wouldn't be a issue here, blah, blah Google is spying on us, who isn't nowadays. I don't allow one billion dollar company to dictate the way I feel about another, if that was the case I wouldn't use Apple products because they contain Samsung components.
I use all of them to find answers to technical questions in my role as Systems Engineer. Google often comes up with very crap results weighted heavily towards those willing to pay. It's often about 2 or 3 pages in before I can get somewhere but often then it's getting further and further from the results I need.
Yahoo is not different. I hate Google not because I hate Google as a company but because their products have never really fulfilled my needs and often give me crap results. Maps is a classic example of this where maps outside of the States are a complete joke. It took Google 5 years to give me proper driving directions to my old house, 3 of those were using old maps that hadn't even been used since before Google Maps even existed as a product. Apple had a couple of hiccups but in one case I noted a missing road and it was fixed within a week.
I'm not prepared to trust something as important as driving directions to a company that is so slow to react. Yahoo might not be a better product but for my needs it's a damn good offering.