Samsung Galaxy Note, HTC One caught cheating in benchmarks again

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  • Reply 21 of 169
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post



    Just imagine the uproar if Apple did this. We'd never hear the end of it.

     

    Sure, Apple is a total stranger to benchmark cheating : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/24/apple_accused_of_cheating_over/ written by the same author.

  • Reply 22 of 169

    I have yet to see this story appear on places like Engadget or TheVerge, no doubt they don't want their forums to explode due to Fandroids claiming it's acceptable

     

    I suspect Scott Wilson will defend it (and blame Apple for doing it) should it ever appear on CNet

  • Reply 23 of 169
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    Originally Posted by tooltalk View Post

     

     

    Sure, Apple is a total stranger to benchmark cheating : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/24/apple_accused_of_cheating_over/ written by the same author.


    I notice the article is over 10 years old (24th June 2003), obviously you had to dredge deep to find that one

  • Reply 24 of 169
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    I don't think it's an issue of [I]again[/I], just that Futuremark has [I]finally[/I] decided to delist the cheaters from their site.

    PS: Check out [B]ddriver[/B]'s comments at AnandTech on how this is all an evil plot by Apple. He must be chummy with [B]tooltalk[/B].

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  • Reply 25 of 169
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    pjwilkin wrote: »
    I notice the article is over 10 years old (24th June 2003), obviously you had to dredge deep to find that one

    And if you read the article it doesn't really show Apple blatantly cheating, suggests that other vendors are cheating too, and even states that at least Apple notes how it's choosing its benchmarks, but most of all it has nothing to do with anything to do with this article.

    IOW, there is no clear demarcation with that decade old article that shows Apple's OS detecting specific benchmarks to run at artificially high speeds that are otherwise not allowed by typical apps under any circumstances. It's just the same as what Apple and every vendor does now when they chose the benchmark results that look best for marketing.
  • Reply 26 of 169
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    pjwilkin wrote: »
    I notice the article is over 10 years old (24th June 2003), obviously you had to dredge deep to find that one

    So it was ok to do it 10 years ago?
  • Reply 27 of 169
    how do you know apple is not cheating, clearly you cant see anything that goes on on the cpu
  • Reply 28 of 169

    keep drinking you apple juice 

  • Reply 29 of 169
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PJWilkin View Post

     

    I have yet to see this story appear on places like Engadget or TheVerge, no doubt they don't want their forums to explode due to Fandroids claiming it's acceptable

     

    I suspect Scott Wilson will defend it (and blame Apple for doing it) should it ever appear on CNet


     

    /ahem

  • Reply 30 of 169
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    Originally Posted by Wilson Dur View Post

     

    keep drinking you apple juice 




    Stop calling me apple juice!

     

    Oh...

  • Reply 31 of 169
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    wilson dur wrote: »
    how do you know apple is not cheating, clearly you cant see anything that goes on on the cpu

    Educate yourself…

  • Reply 32 of 169
    solipsismx wrote: »
    I don't think it's an issue of again, just that Futuremark has finally decided to delist the cheaters from their site.

    PS: Check out ddriver's comments at AnandTech on how this is all an evil plot by Apple. He must be chummy with tooltalk.

    So it's Apple that is paying benchmark companies to delist cheaters, huh? Do these fandroids want desperately to believe in their fantasy benchmarks so they can feel good about whatever phone they bought?
  • Reply 33 of 169
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
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    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post





    So it's Apple that is paying benchmark companies to delist cheaters, huh? Do these fandroids want desperately to believe in their fantasy benchmarks so they can feel good about whatever phone they bought?

     

    It seems so, judging by some of the comments and one star reviews here.

     

    These Android guys can't handle anything detracting from their decision to purchase also ran products.

     

    How to shoot an Android guy down using an iPhone 5s.

     

     Hold your phone next to theirs, open camera apps together, put latest and greatest Samsung Note 3 or S4 in burst mode then hold down camera icon on both phones...

     

    ...BOOM headshot, they will be left in a whimpering mess as this demonstration of 64bit power blows them away.

  • Reply 34 of 169
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    So it's Apple that is paying benchmark companies to delist cheaters, huh? Do these fandroids want desperately to believe in their fantasy benchmarks so they can feel good about whatever phone they bought?

    It's one thing for someone to think systems throttling when they sense different benchmarks is the same as Turbo Mode in a CPU. It's completely ignorant but I can see how the les than astute person can be confused by the very real differences between them. But to blame Apple for other vendors artificially making their benchmarks look better is just crazy.

    The worst part of all these vendors cheating is it only helps by a small percentage point, and not enough to make or break a sale, but probably enough to lose even more trust in that vendor. Moto, Asus and Apple are the prominent ones that don't seem to have cheated.
  • Reply 35 of 169

    Any reasonable person who reads your entire linked article would not conclude that Apple cheated 10 years ago. The last three paragraphs sum it up perfectly. 

     

    Are you suggesting that NTC and Samsung are not cheating in these benchmarks? Or would you prefer to distract everyone with 10 year old stories? 

     

    I'll make you a deal, I'll stay on topic if you will.... deal?

  • Reply 36 of 169
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    Less government not more.

     

    Completely and utterly irrelevant here. This is literally the government’s job: to protect its citizens. Enough of your purposefully confrontational BS.

  • Reply 37 of 169
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Completely and utterly irrelevant here. This is literally the government’s job: to protect its citizens. Enough of your purposefully confrontational BS.

    I thought you were joking because if Apple was doing this there would be some Senator that would expect Tim Cook to personally tell him why Apple does this (and then he'd ask him why he can't see his grandkids shared photos in the Camera app).

    This is not something the government will ever be involved with. The companies that manage the tests will do a fine job of killing results from anyone that dopes their scores but even then the vendor does has a right to alter how their system work on different conditions so this is purely an ethical and not a legal issue.
  • Reply 38 of 169
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    The worst part of all these vendors cheating is it only helps by a small percentage point, and not enough to make or break a sale, but probably enough to lose even more trust in that vendor. Moto, Asus and Apple are the prominent ones that don't seem to have cheated.

    Then why do it? What benefit does cheating a little known test have? The upside is minimal.
  • Reply 39 of 169
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Then why do it? What benefit does cheating a little known test have? The upside is minimal.

    They clearly think there is an upside that outweighs the downsides but I certainly don't see it. It might the just be immature programmers that think that also think that speeding for a few miles down an open highway is worth a ticket costing a few hundred dollars. I say this because it's not universally done across any vendor and there are clearly a lot more phones that don't employ this foolish technique, however it's almost always the higher-end and/or devices with the most mindshare coming out of the gate that have shown to be doped for the benchmark tests.
  • Reply 40 of 169
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Completely and utterly irrelevant here. This is literally the government’s job: to protect its citizens. Enough of your purposefully confrontational BS.

    From cheated on benchmark tests? You expect a bunch of cheaters to catch other cheaters?
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