Again, please, put down the crack. I've done it. It can be fun. It's ultimately quite bad for you.
No one cares how many WP people are buying, unless they are premium phones. Apple doesn't compete in the "I'm-a-feature-phone-cross-dressed-as-a-smartphone" market. They never have. They never will. How much of those supposed gains in WP marketshare were PREMIUM phones?
How much did WP gain in PROFIT compared to iOS? How much are devs making from selling apps for WP as opposed to iOS? What is the clickthrough rate on ads for WP vs. iOS? Etc.
Market Share is MEANINGLESS without some connection to PROFIT. You can sell 100 widgets with a $1 margin, creating $100 profit. If I sell 25 widgets with a $10 margin, I create $250 profit. If you want the $100 vs. the $250, fine. Take it. I will GLADLY take the 1/5th Market Share, but 2.5x your profits.
I just cannot beleive that this is THAT complicated.
ETA: There are 2 companies -- *2* -- in the whole world that actually MAKE money selling phones: Apple and Samsung. Nokia? Please. HTC? You're kidding, right? And don't even get me started on Moto or LG. Now, in Nokia's situation, it's a serious problem. Same with HTC. With LG and Moto, not so much. Mobile devices is such a tiny part of what LG does, it really doesn't matter. With Moto, obviously a few million here or there don't matter to a massive advertising company like Google, which generates profits in the BILLIONS.
So now your argument that the iPhone is failing is because it hasn't moved UP from the number ONE position? WHAT THE **** ARE YOU SMOKING?! Do you not understand what number one means?
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
For the last time, start trying to comprehend what you are actually reading. It's clearly the foundation for all your ignorant statements.
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/160936/samsung-galaxy-note-htc-one-caught-cheating-in-benchmarks-again/120#post_2446397" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>zerobim08</strong> <a href="/t/160936/samsung-galaxy-note-htc-one-caught-cheating-in-benchmarks-again/120#post_2446397"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br /><br />I am talking about relative to others not just apple figures.<br /><br />http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/12/02/report-new-iphones-boost-apples-market-share-except-in-europe-where-windows-phone-gains-ground/#!pOLTe</div></div><p> </p><p>Headdesk.</p><p> </p><p>Again, please, put down the crack. I've done it. It can be fun. It's ultimately quite bad for you.</p><p> </p><p>No one cares how many WP people are buying, unless they are premium phones. Apple doesn't compete in the "I'm-a-feature-phone-cross-dressed-as-a-smartphone" market. They never have. They never will. How much of those supposed gains in WP marketshare were PREMIUM phones?</p><p> </p><p>How much did WP gain in PROFIT compared to iOS? How much are devs making from selling apps for WP as opposed to iOS? What is the clickthrough rate on ads for WP vs. iOS? Etc.</p><p> </p><p>Market Share is MEANINGLESS without some connection to PROFIT. You can sell 100 widgets with a $1 margin, creating $100 profit. If I sell 25 widgets with a $10 margin, I create $250 profit. If you want the $100 vs. the $250, fine. Take it. I will GLADLY take the 1/5th Market Share, but 2.5x your profits.</p><p> </p><p>I just cannot beleive that this is THAT complicated.</p><p> </p><p>ETA: There are 2 companies -- *2* -- in the whole world that actually MAKE money selling phones: Apple and Samsung. Nokia? Please. HTC? You're kidding, right? And don't even get me started on Moto or LG. Now, in Nokia's situation, it's a serious problem. Same with HTC. With LG and Moto, not so much. Mobile devices is such a tiny part of what LG does, it really doesn't matter. With Moto, obviously a few million here or there don't matter to a massive advertising company like Google, which generates profits in the BILLIONS.</p>
You can only make profit if you can sell phones. Keep harping on profit. But wait apple profit seems to have dropped compared to previously.
And i hope you are not a good example of being a true blue apple fan. Always rude and arrogant just like apple.
It's interacting to certain types of posters that make me not miss being back.
Avoid them, there are some here that will absolutely not change their POV even when presented with sound logic and/or concrete and verified numbers that oppose their viewpoints. The truth is sometimes hard to swallow but anyone with a shred of integrity will admit when they're wrong. If it's a matter of opinion then just agree to disagree because continuing to argue is pointless and just plain frustrating.
You can only make profit if you can sell phones. Keep harping on profit. But wait apple profit seems to have dropped compared to previously.
And i hope you are not a good example of being a true blue apple fan. Always rude and arrogant just like apple.
Please explain to me how, with incredible sales of the 5S and 5C -- both high margin products -- in markets like the US, Japan, and others how Apple profits will be down? The iPad Air and rMini? In Japan, for instance, which I think we can agree is a rather large electronics market, over the first month the Air and rMini accounted for 6 of the top 10 spots in the tablet market. Here in the US, the Air and the rMini are the best selling tablets.
Apple is expected to sell somewhere in the 52M-54M range for iPhones alone this quarter. How do you expect that to lead to low profits?
And again, the ONLY company making ANY profits in this market, other than Apple, is Samsung. So, you're not really talking about how well Android or WP is doing. It's really how well Samsung is doing. Because everyone else -- EVERYONE ELSE -- is losing money. LG, Moto, HTC, Nokia, Amazon, Google, etc. -- losing money. Which, btw, means not making a profit. Quite the opposite in fact.
Of course, Amazon and Google don't even TRY to make money through sales of devices. That's not their plan in the first place. Amazon obviously wants/expects people to spend money on content. And I'm sure it probably works, in the long run. Google, of course, is an advertising company, and just wants a platform to deliver ads. I'm pretty sure that works, too.
And as I said before, companies like LG don't really care TOO much, since their mobile business is such a tiny portion of what they do.
But don't act as if there's profits flying all over the mobile device market. There aren't. There are profits flying all over the Apple and Samsung mobile device markets. That's it.
You can only make profit if you can sell phones. Keep harping on profit. But wait apple profit seems to have dropped compared to previously.
And i hope you are not a good example of being a true blue apple fan. Always rude and arrogant just like apple.
If they're earning less profit it's only because their margins have slimmed down a bit not because they're selling less devices. That happens when build quality is improved but the selling price is kept the same.
If they're earning less profit it's only because their margins have slimmed down a bit not because they're selling less devices. That happens when build quality is improved but the selling price is kept the same.
His earlier comments stated you shouldn't buy Apple's products because they have a higher profit margin which he concludes means you get less for your purchase.
His earlier comments stated you shouldn't buy Apple's products because they have a higher profit margin which he concludes means you get less for your purchase.
Seems like he just has an ax to grind, because why would anyone care how people spend their money?
Remember this: trying to correct a fool is foolishness onto itself.
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I am talking about relative to others not just apple figures.
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/12/02/report-new-iphones-boost-apples-market-share-except-in-europe-where-windows-phone-gains-ground/#!pOLTe
Headdesk.
Again, please, put down the crack. I've done it. It can be fun. It's ultimately quite bad for you.
No one cares how many WP people are buying, unless they are premium phones. Apple doesn't compete in the "I'm-a-feature-phone-cross-dressed-as-a-smartphone" market. They never have. They never will. How much of those supposed gains in WP marketshare were PREMIUM phones?
How much did WP gain in PROFIT compared to iOS? How much are devs making from selling apps for WP as opposed to iOS? What is the clickthrough rate on ads for WP vs. iOS? Etc.
Market Share is MEANINGLESS without some connection to PROFIT. You can sell 100 widgets with a $1 margin, creating $100 profit. If I sell 25 widgets with a $10 margin, I create $250 profit. If you want the $100 vs. the $250, fine. Take it. I will GLADLY take the 1/5th Market Share, but 2.5x your profits.
I just cannot beleive that this is THAT complicated.
ETA: There are 2 companies -- *2* -- in the whole world that actually MAKE money selling phones: Apple and Samsung. Nokia? Please. HTC? You're kidding, right? And don't even get me started on Moto or LG. Now, in Nokia's situation, it's a serious problem. Same with HTC. With LG and Moto, not so much. Mobile devices is such a tiny part of what LG does, it really doesn't matter. With Moto, obviously a few million here or there don't matter to a massive advertising company like Google, which generates profits in the BILLIONS.
It’s great to have you back. I missed this.
You can only make profit if you can sell phones. Keep harping on profit. But wait apple profit seems to have dropped compared to previously.
And i hope you are not a good example of being a true blue apple fan. Always rude and arrogant just like apple.
It's interacting to certain types of posters that make me not miss being back.
Avoid them, there are some here that will absolutely not change their POV even when presented with sound logic and/or concrete and verified numbers that oppose their viewpoints. The truth is sometimes hard to swallow but anyone with a shred of integrity will admit when they're wrong. If it's a matter of opinion then just agree to disagree because continuing to argue is pointless and just plain frustrating.
You can only make profit if you can sell phones. Keep harping on profit. But wait apple profit seems to have dropped compared to previously.
And i hope you are not a good example of being a true blue apple fan. Always rude and arrogant just like apple.
Please explain to me how, with incredible sales of the 5S and 5C -- both high margin products -- in markets like the US, Japan, and others how Apple profits will be down? The iPad Air and rMini? In Japan, for instance, which I think we can agree is a rather large electronics market, over the first month the Air and rMini accounted for 6 of the top 10 spots in the tablet market. Here in the US, the Air and the rMini are the best selling tablets.
Apple is expected to sell somewhere in the 52M-54M range for iPhones alone this quarter. How do you expect that to lead to low profits?
And again, the ONLY company making ANY profits in this market, other than Apple, is Samsung. So, you're not really talking about how well Android or WP is doing. It's really how well Samsung is doing. Because everyone else -- EVERYONE ELSE -- is losing money. LG, Moto, HTC, Nokia, Amazon, Google, etc. -- losing money. Which, btw, means not making a profit. Quite the opposite in fact.
Of course, Amazon and Google don't even TRY to make money through sales of devices. That's not their plan in the first place. Amazon obviously wants/expects people to spend money on content. And I'm sure it probably works, in the long run. Google, of course, is an advertising company, and just wants a platform to deliver ads. I'm pretty sure that works, too.
And as I said before, companies like LG don't really care TOO much, since their mobile business is such a tiny portion of what they do.
But don't act as if there's profits flying all over the mobile device market. There aren't. There are profits flying all over the Apple and Samsung mobile device markets. That's it.
If they're earning less profit it's only because their margins have slimmed down a bit not because they're selling less devices. That happens when build quality is improved but the selling price is kept the same.
His earlier comments stated you shouldn't buy Apple's products because they have a higher profit margin which he concludes means you get less for your purchase.
Seems like he just has an ax to grind, because why would anyone care how people spend their money?
Remember this: trying to correct a fool is foolishness onto itself.