I don't but but Phil Schiller kind of hinted there wouldn't be a 4K cinema display at WWDC. When he was showing off the the new Mac Pro plugged in to 3 4K monitors at once, he said something like "you will be able to use it with these beautiful *slight pause* 3rd party monitors"
It's just an idea I was throwing out there. Doesn't Apple sometimes like to let competitors fight between themselves in an emerging market before entering it?
EIZO Releases 31.1" Super High Resolution 8 Megapixel Monitor for Multi-Modality Environments
Hakusan, Japan, November 27, 2013 – EIZO Corporation (TSE: 6737) announced the release of the RadiForce RX850, a 31.1-inch color LCD monitor capable of displaying 8 megapixels for multi-modality applications. The RadiForce RX850 is the successor of the RadiForce RX840-MG released last year, which was the first 8 megapixel monitor for multi-modality use.
EIZO’s 8 megapixel monitors act as effective replacements for multi-monitor setups for a smoother, more user-friendly environment when viewing numerous medical applications at once on a single screen. This allows medical professionals to conveniently view images side-by-side without the obtrusive bezels typically found in a multi-monitor environment.
The RadiForce RX850’s super high-resolution screen is capable of displaying 8 megapixels of information with an improved pixel pitch of 0.1704 mm, allowing users to view medical images in exceptional detail across its 31.1-inch screen. This makes it ideal for a variety of modalities including digital mammography, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), and ultrasound. The monitor also offers an increased high contrast ratio of 1450:1 to accurately render finer details in high resolution images.
The RadiForce RX850 guarantees 20,000 hours of usage time when used at the recommended brightness of 500 cd/m2 – twice as many hours as the previous model.
Designed to take up significantly less space than its predecessor, the monitor allows 8 megapixels of detailed information to be viewed more easily across a smaller screen. To keep work space efficient, the monitor’s width, height, and depth were reduced by 149 mm, 97 mm, and 27 mm respectively – a 37% difference when compared with the previous model. The reduced screen size also contributes to less head and eye movement, making the RadiForce RX850 more suitable for comfortably viewing medical data.
The thinner, black front bezels are ideal for viewing the screen in dark reading rooms, making it easier to focus on images, while the original white stripe design around the sides of the monitor presents a fresh, clean aesthetic to promote a comfortable, user-friendly environment.
EIZO will be demonstrating the RadiForce RX850 at Booth #1735 at the 2013 Radiological Society of North America (RSNA 2013) from December 1-5 at McCormick Place in Chicago, Illinois (USA).
Availability
The RadiForce RX850 will be available from May, 2014. Please contact the EIZO group company or distributor in your country for details.
EIZO is a leading global manufacturer of high-end visual display products. The image quality, long-term reliability, and innovative features of EIZO monitors make them the products of choice in many financial trading rooms, back offices, hospitals, air traffic control centers, and design studios throughout the world. Founded in 1968, EIZO is represented in over sixty countries by a network of group companies and exclusive distributors.
They'll bring out something similar in the foris or CG lines at some point. You should note that it's typical to see higher resolution from medical displays. Some of the highest resolution displays available at 21-23" were made for medical use, as they can take advantage of any available resolution.
It's an exciting time to be in computers, we are seeing things that have been fixed for years finally changing: SSDs replacing HDs, very high resolution displays coming in, and Apple seems to be leading the way.
They'll bring out something similar in the foris or CG lines at some point. You should note that it's typical to see higher resolution from medical displays. Some of the highest resolution displays available at 21-23" were made for medical use, as they can take advantage of any available resolution.
I'm well aware the medical deals in higher pixel depth, density and resolution.
Who cares if it's actually considered "Retina" or not? That's just a marketing term.
4K at 32" is still an amazing resolution... and it would be quite an upgrade from the monitor you have now
It's undoubtedly a beautiful screen, but the monitor I have now is a 15" 2880x1800, and once you have experienced such high pixel densities you never want to go back.
It's undoubtedly a beautiful screen, but the monitor I have now is a 15" 2880x1800, and once you have experienced such high pixel densities you never want to go back.
That is true, but it's not exactly the same. You don't view a 32" display as close as you might a 15". I don't think you would be disappointed. What I find a little difficult is switching between my 24" 1920x1200 display and the 15" rmbp at times. I always wanted the 24" to be higher in resolution, but that makes it a bit obvious. Notebooks in general have outpaced desktop displays on resolution gains for years. Prior to the Dell announcement, your choices in a 24" were either 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 depending on aspect ratio. There wasn't anything higher.
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I'm well aware the medical deals in higher pixel depth, density and resolution.
Yeah I was just thinking how NEC had a 21" a few years ago comparable in resolution to the 27" thunderbolt display. I always wanted that resolution in one of their PA displays.
It's undoubtedly a beautiful screen, but the monitor I have now is a 15" 2880x1800, and once you have experienced such high pixel densities you never want to go back.
I withdraw my previous statement!
That's insane PPI
Good luck finding a large desktop monitor to fit your needs.
This means nothing in regards to if or when Apple might revamp their display or the specs. All it MIGHT indicate is that they are willing to diversify their offerings in displays.
I don't think Apple is willing to sell their display for $4K, so will probably release one when they can get it priced at something a bit more reasonable. It's still a very niche technology that has not hit the price-curve that Apple typically jumps in at.
saw this coming from a mile away. Always wondered why people kept asking "where are the Apple 4k Displays" as if there weren't other options available.
Why is absurd to think Apple will make displays? You are aware they have a long history of not funding display manufacturers to progress the state of the art, but also make their own branded displays that are discreet from the "PC"?
I don't think Apple is willing to sell their display for $4K, so will probably release one when they can get it priced at something a bit more reasonable. It's still a very niche technology that has not hit the price-curve that Apple typically jumps in at.
That' what I'm expecting. Perhaps they will pull of the display market the way they did with Xserve but I think the more likely answer is what you state.
Dell's UltraSharp line is quite nice, panel-wise. From what I've read Dell's typical factory calibration for their UltraSharp line isn't Apple-level, but it's solid, and if you need the best color recreation you really should the equipment to configure your own monitor anyway.
I understand how Dell's 28" UHD display (which isn't UltraSharp) is under $1000, but I don't get why the 24" UltraSharp UHD monitor is only $1400 when the 31.5" UltraSharp UHD monitor is $2100 more. That's a huge jump in price for the same numbers of pixels in a much denser panel and what I assume is the same quality panel.
Unless the look of the casing really irks you they seem like a great fit for someone wanting a quality 4K display at a decent price point.
No IPS and no IGZO, that’s the main thing. Also, Dell, which tells you pretty much all you need to know.
Ah I wasn't going to respond to this one, but I dislike the insulting response above mine. Dells are probably the most popular out of the budget range displays, and they aren't bad. They're nowhere near the limit of what is available, but the U2711s had a strong following. Where some of the higher end displays have maintained differentiation is in the form of features to help compensate for drift, improve warmup time to the point of stable colors, compensate of lcd panel uniformity issues, and correlate multiple displays against each other and secondary reference targets. Apple's market isn't in having the best displays. As I mentioned they market a decent display with matching aesthetics that has some amount synergy with their primary Mac products.
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That' what I'm expecting. Perhaps they will pull of the display market the way they did with Xserve but I think the more likely answer is what you state.
Huh? They already have to a degree. They don't really differentiate it so much as a display now. They need something to use in the imac, and that design can be leveraged into a separate display, which gives them an extra sale with notebooks and prior to the update a matching display for an imac. I mean they don't market it in the same way as displays that are just sold as displays.
Huh? They already have to a degree. They don't really differentiate it so much as a display now. They need something to use in the imac, and that design can be leveraged into a separate display, which gives them an extra sale with notebooks and prior to the update a matching display for an imac. I mean they don't market it in the same way as displays that are just sold as displays.
They don't market it the same way, but they also don't market their Mac Pros the same was as their more consumer-focused products. They also have a long history of letting their displays languish at higher prices than would be expected. It's like they have it at the bottom item of each meeting and only get to it once every couple years.
Note that they used to have a 30" ACD and have never had a 30" iMac. I think they also have used multiple panels that were very different from their iMac line over the years. But that does bring up an interesting point. When will Apple finally make the move to make their iMacs "Retina" which would be a unique retinafying compared to all their other doubling resolution solutions as it would be exactly 1.5x the resolution if they go 4K in the 27" iMac.
Would they go 4K in the 24" iMac, too or use something that is also 1.5x the resolution. They already have the Scaling option in Display Settings to go halfway between 2x so I'm guessing that would be the new native for these machines. But when would Apple offer it? Seems like it will be a long wait if we are waiting for quality panels in that size at the current price points. We still don't have the MBA as Retina but I'm guessing that will happen with the next update.
Good catch! I've kinda been expecting a Mini rev and a small cube like that could produce an impressively compact computer. Out one of those PCI Express SSDs in there and the machine would rock. Well rock for normal usage, I'm not convinced that a Mini would ship with the GPU horse power to drive a 4K display.
The current gen 5k card is capable to output 1 4k screen, so it's "might" happen.
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I don't but but Phil Schiller kind of hinted there wouldn't be a 4K cinema display at WWDC. When he was showing off the the new Mac Pro plugged in to 3 4K monitors at once, he said something like "you will be able to use it with these beautiful *slight pause* 3rd party monitors"
It's just an idea I was throwing out there. Doesn't Apple sometimes like to let competitors fight between themselves in an emerging market before entering it?
Wait till May:
Source: http://www.eizo.com/global/press/releases/htmls/rx850.html
Press Releases
EIZO Releases 31.1" Super High Resolution 8 Megapixel Monitor for Multi-Modality Environments
EIZO’s 8 megapixel monitors act as effective replacements for multi-monitor setups for a smoother, more user-friendly environment when viewing numerous medical applications at once on a single screen. This allows medical professionals to conveniently view images side-by-side without the obtrusive bezels typically found in a multi-monitor environment.
The RadiForce RX850’s super high-resolution screen is capable of displaying 8 megapixels of information with an improved pixel pitch of 0.1704 mm, allowing users to view medical images in exceptional detail across its 31.1-inch screen. This makes it ideal for a variety of modalities including digital mammography, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), and ultrasound. The monitor also offers an increased high contrast ratio of 1450:1 to accurately render finer details in high resolution images.
The RadiForce RX850 guarantees 20,000 hours of usage time when used at the recommended brightness of 500 cd/m2 – twice as many hours as the previous model.
Designed to take up significantly less space than its predecessor, the monitor allows 8 megapixels of detailed information to be viewed more easily across a smaller screen. To keep work space efficient, the monitor’s width, height, and depth were reduced by 149 mm, 97 mm, and 27 mm respectively – a 37% difference when compared with the previous model. The reduced screen size also contributes to less head and eye movement, making the RadiForce RX850 more suitable for comfortably viewing medical data.
The thinner, black front bezels are ideal for viewing the screen in dark reading rooms, making it easier to focus on images, while the original white stripe design around the sides of the monitor presents a fresh, clean aesthetic to promote a comfortable, user-friendly environment.
EIZO will be demonstrating the RadiForce RX850 at Booth #1735 at the 2013 Radiological Society of North America (RSNA 2013) from December 1-5 at McCormick Place in Chicago, Illinois (USA).
Availability
The RadiForce RX850 will be available from May, 2014. Please contact the EIZO group company or distributor in your country for details.
Product Information
About EIZO
EIZO is a leading global manufacturer of high-end visual display products. The image quality, long-term reliability, and innovative features of EIZO monitors make them the products of choice in many financial trading rooms, back offices, hospitals, air traffic control centers, and design studios throughout the world. Founded in 1968, EIZO is represented in over sixty countries by a network of group companies and exclusive distributors.
For more information, please contact:
EIZO Corporation
153 Shimokashiwano
Hakusan, Ishikawa 924-8566
Japan
Phone: +81 76 277-6792
Fax: +81 76 277-6793
www.eizo.com
Wait till May:
They'll bring out something similar in the foris or CG lines at some point. You should note that it's typical to see higher resolution from medical displays. Some of the highest resolution displays available at 21-23" were made for medical use, as they can take advantage of any available resolution.
It's an exciting time to be in computers, we are seeing things that have been fixed for years finally changing: SSDs replacing HDs, very high resolution displays coming in, and Apple seems to be leading the way.
They'll bring out something similar in the foris or CG lines at some point. You should note that it's typical to see higher resolution from medical displays. Some of the highest resolution displays available at 21-23" were made for medical use, as they can take advantage of any available resolution.
I'm well aware the medical deals in higher pixel depth, density and resolution.
Who cares if it's actually considered "Retina" or not? That's just a marketing term.
4K at 32" is still an amazing resolution... and it would be quite an upgrade from the monitor you have now
Who cares if it's actually considered "Retina" or not? That's just a marketing term.
4K at 32" is still an amazing resolution... and it would be quite an upgrade from the monitor you have now
It's undoubtedly a beautiful screen, but the monitor I have now is a 15" 2880x1800, and once you have experienced such high pixel densities you never want to go back.
It's undoubtedly a beautiful screen, but the monitor I have now is a 15" 2880x1800, and once you have experienced such high pixel densities you never want to go back.
That is true, but it's not exactly the same. You don't view a 32" display as close as you might a 15". I don't think you would be disappointed. What I find a little difficult is switching between my 24" 1920x1200 display and the 15" rmbp at times. I always wanted the 24" to be higher in resolution, but that makes it a bit obvious. Notebooks in general have outpaced desktop displays on resolution gains for years. Prior to the Dell announcement, your choices in a 24" were either 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 depending on aspect ratio. There wasn't anything higher.
I'm well aware the medical deals in higher pixel depth, density and resolution.
Yeah I was just thinking how NEC had a 21" a few years ago comparable in resolution to the 27" thunderbolt display. I always wanted that resolution in one of their PA displays.
I withdraw my previous statement!
That's insane PPI
Good luck finding a large desktop monitor to fit your needs.
I withdraw my previous statement!
That's insane PPI
Good luck finding a large desktop monitor to fit your needs.
That's just what the Macbook Pro is these days. But I think the Dell 24" 3840x2160 would be good also.
I don't think Apple is willing to sell their display for $4K, so will probably release one when they can get it priced at something a bit more reasonable. It's still a very niche technology that has not hit the price-curve that Apple typically jumps in at.
Why is absurd to think Apple will make displays? You are aware they have a long history of not funding display manufacturers to progress the state of the art, but also make their own branded displays that are discreet from the "PC"?
That' what I'm expecting. Perhaps they will pull of the display market the way they did with Xserve but I think the more likely answer is what you state.
No IPS and no IGZO, that’s the main thing. Also, Dell, which tells you pretty much all you need to know.
"Shut up! Get out troll!"
The UltraSharp 32 UltraHD uses an IGZO display.
TS, I think you had that one coming.
Dell's UltraSharp line is quite nice, panel-wise. From what I've read Dell's typical factory calibration for their UltraSharp line isn't Apple-level, but it's solid, and if you need the best color recreation you really should the equipment to configure your own monitor anyway.
I understand how Dell's 28" UHD display (which isn't UltraSharp) is under $1000, but I don't get why the 24" UltraSharp UHD monitor is only $1400 when the 31.5" UltraSharp UHD monitor is $2100 more. That's a huge jump in price for the same numbers of pixels in a much denser panel and what I assume is the same quality panel.
Unless the look of the casing really irks you they seem like a great fit for someone wanting a quality 4K display at a decent price point.
No IPS and no IGZO, that’s the main thing. Also, Dell, which tells you pretty much all you need to know.
Ah I wasn't going to respond to this one, but I dislike the insulting response above mine. Dells are probably the most popular out of the budget range displays, and they aren't bad. They're nowhere near the limit of what is available, but the U2711s had a strong following. Where some of the higher end displays have maintained differentiation is in the form of features to help compensate for drift, improve warmup time to the point of stable colors, compensate of lcd panel uniformity issues, and correlate multiple displays against each other and secondary reference targets. Apple's market isn't in having the best displays. As I mentioned they market a decent display with matching aesthetics that has some amount synergy with their primary Mac products.
That' what I'm expecting. Perhaps they will pull of the display market the way they did with Xserve but I think the more likely answer is what you state.
Huh? They already have to a degree. They don't really differentiate it so much as a display now. They need something to use in the imac, and that design can be leveraged into a separate display, which gives them an extra sale with notebooks and prior to the update a matching display for an imac. I mean they don't market it in the same way as displays that are just sold as displays.
They don't market it the same way, but they also don't market their Mac Pros the same was as their more consumer-focused products. They also have a long history of letting their displays languish at higher prices than would be expected. It's like they have it at the bottom item of each meeting and only get to it once every couple years.
Note that they used to have a 30" ACD and have never had a 30" iMac. I think they also have used multiple panels that were very different from their iMac line over the years. But that does bring up an interesting point. When will Apple finally make the move to make their iMacs "Retina" which would be a unique retinafying compared to all their other doubling resolution solutions as it would be exactly 1.5x the resolution if they go 4K in the 27" iMac.
Would they go 4K in the 24" iMac, too or use something that is also 1.5x the resolution. They already have the Scaling option in Display Settings to go halfway between 2x so I'm guessing that would be the new native for these machines. But when would Apple offer it? Seems like it will be a long wait if we are waiting for quality panels in that size at the current price points. We still don't have the MBA as Retina but I'm guessing that will happen with the next update.
The current gen 5k card is capable to output 1 4k screen, so it's "might" happen.
Oh boy, here we go…
The UltraSharp 32 UltraHD uses an IGZO display.
Huh. Couldn’t find it on the page. Thanks.