Which apps do you use that would benefit from a pro iPad, and how often do you use them? I'm not trying to be nosy, I'm just trying to wrap my head around a Pro iPad.
I can name a few apps, but I'm really just talking about everything.
From browsing, to watching a movie, to playing a game, or using productivity apps, some people would welcome a larger screen.
As for specific apps, I can mention certain audio and music apps that I use that require a lot of power. Auria is a DAW app that uses plugins, and some of those plugins can be very CPU intensive, such as convolution reverbs. In those sort of apps, the more plug ins you add, the greater the CPU power is required.
Also, certain apps can look a bit cluttered on the screen, and having a larger screen would be helpful.
How has it been failing? Bay Trail tablets and 2-in-1s have been well received and will only get more attention at CES.
Late 2014, Broadwell Y-series (Core i3, i5, i7) will be inside tablets and 2-in-1s in the 12 inch form factor.
Microsoft's hardware woes are over.
I an very impressed with Intel's ability to make CPUs with fantastically improved power usage numbers. However, I think there is an inherent power advantage to the ARM design. Plus, the very reason Intel is not interested in the ARM business is that they can not make their normally fat margins in that arena. If Intel holds to that, and I think they may, then the intel-based devices will always struggle to compete with ARM on price and margin.
In the past the huge base of PCs and the desire to be Win compatible has carried the day for Win/Intel but the horses have been out of the barn for too long, BYOD is alive and well in enterprise and education has never been tamed to the idea of Windows. It will be interesting to see how the near future may play out. Will Microsoft be able to heard the horses back under their control, or have they scattered to the greener fields? With consumers nearly totally rejecting Microsoft's grip, combined with BYOD, and the much more mobile workforce, things are still very dicey for Microsoft... then throw the CEO change-over on top of the mess, and Microsoft may be delayed from being more adroit and responsive to the challenges the near term will present... especially if Apple introduces another disruption, as it appears to be poised to do.
There's a reason the current iPad was renamed iPad Air, and the current MacBook Airs don't have retina displays. Apple has something cooking. But if Apple comes out with a hybrid device after Tim Cook has been shitting on them for the past two years then I think we'll know its time for Tim to go.
Steve crapped on video for the iPod touch then did video and it took off. No one said Steve had to go.
Steve crapped on eBooks then did iBooks for iPad and it took off so well, Amazon paid the US government to sue Apple. No one said Steve had to go.
I think I know what they are up to - or at least what they should do.
Just adding bluetooth mouse support to ios will make the ipad a perfect thin client to connect to a Mac or PC via RDP. Then you have both an ipad and a traditional computer in one device.
Imagine Apple selling a subscription to a Mac virtual machine via their cloud services with the new ipad pro (ios with mouse support).
It's a nice idea but doesn't solve the discrepancy between the interfaces.
It also introduces extra lag that makes life difficult, even on a local network (as I know from experience), iCloud would make things worse.
The point is that a 64bit A7 processor is powerfull enough to run almost all desktop applications even video editing and render software.
Using it as 'thin client' is a waste of resources and a very bad idea (as it always has been) and can be compared to using a notebook as a thin client.
Which apps do you use that would benefit from a pro iPad, and how often do you use them? I'm not trying to be nosy, I'm just trying to wrap my head around a Pro iPad.
Spreadsheets are the kind of app that benefits from a larger screen for creation and studying. Just moving a lot of pixels around on the screen needs a more powerful CPU. Using the iPad as a presentation tool is improved with a larger screen.
Such a device as the proposed iPad Pro would have been a failure before the weight, CPU capacity, and battery development had been brought up to today's levels. It is now possible, where it was once not thinkable. How far portable devices have came in 20 years is astounding to me. So much power for so little cost! I could never have imagined!
“It doesn’t matter how good or bad the product is, the fact is that people don’t read anymore. Forty percent of the people in the U.S. read one book or less last year. The whole concept is flawed at the top because people don’t read anymore.”
Steve Jobs on video iPods:
"You can't watch a video and drive a car. We're focused on music."
Steve Jobs on an Apple mobile phone:
"I get a lot of pressure to do a PDA. What people really seem to want to do with these is get the data out. We believe cell phones are going to carry this information. We didn't think we'd do well in the cell phone business."
Steve Jobs on an Apple tablet:
"Tablets appeal to rich guys with plenty of other PCs and devices already."
And yet everything he said was true. At least it's clear that he and Apple believed it. I know your point is to stop taking one marketer's word as gospel so start taking your own advice. Does it really matter what Tim Cook said a year or two ago. Apple has and will continue to change their stance on an evolving marketplace. The only ones that continue to listen to predictions and proclamations are financial analysts in order to make a buck. it's their job to parrot predictions, not to be creative.
I an very impressed with Intel's ability to make CPUs with fantastically improved power usage numbers. However, I think there is an inherent power advantage to the ARM design. Plus, the very reason Intel is not interested in the ARM business is that they can not make their normally fat margins in that arena. If Intel holds to that, and I think they may, then the intel-based devices will always struggle to compete with ARM on price and margin.
In 2010 an Atom Z560 was $144
Intel's Bay Trail Z3740 costs $32, and their Z3770 costs $37.
I think Intel has come to terms that their fat margins can no longer hold.
It used 'flat' design before Apple or Google used it. And the implementation of multitasking is just incredible and super intuitive. It's just amazing how natural and easy to use it looks. I hope Apple will go into that direction, but now that I've seen that, I'm not sure how could something else be better.
If I want a desktop experience, I'll turn on my desktop.
You might not have the option a year from now at the rate that desktops sales fall. Apple would just be stepping in to fill the obvious gap left there after the original introduction of the iPad. Remember, Apple doesn't get involved with low numbers unless they have to (Mac Pro for example). When desktop and laptop sales reach the single digits in millions per year, Apple will not try to save that division. They will instead eat it up before anyone else can like they always have done.
I'm sure glad I read the entire thread before posting, because the first page of posts was down right "blind"!
IMO and I speculated here at AI last year before the unveiling of iOS7, it's iOS that is going to be further developed to slowly but surely incorporate certain features and functions that people have been clamoring for... mainly the "pros" among us... and be the OS for the Apple and computing masses.
Such as opening up a portion of the system to be used as cross-app repositories for data and allowing user-defined apps to access the data AKA Folders, Files and "Open with".... as well as integrating the cloud.
And why not a BT mouse possibility? I wouldn't want or need one... but more gestures or programable keyboard shortcuts, launchers, whatever can't be bad.
I'm absolutely apposed to user accounts, especially on a device with "pro" in it's name. It belongs to one and only one person to make it work, or potentially screw up all on his/her very own.
The very fact is that iOS has a massive user-base with a wide variety of usage scenarios already. Adding to those scenarios is where the money and the future is at. The "trucks" AKA rMBPs, iMacs, MacPro will still be there for those that need them, but I would speculate that roughly 30% of current MBA/MBP owners and users could easily be content with a 64-bit, 128gb iOS iPad Pro... actually be very happy with it, if iOS adds a few necessary functions.
The biggest hint that this will come to be, is the announcement of 64-bit ARM. Apple is going to leverage that on iOS 8 and new devices that is going to blow most of our minds... and the competition squarely out of the water, re: Microsoft is toast! The above speculated iPad Pro-iOS8 duo will literally blow the kickstand off of those Intel/WinNT-kernel posers!
WWDC 2014 Quote of The Year Prediction: Hybrid my ass! :smokey:
How has it been failing? Bay Trail tablets and 2-in-1s have been well received and will only get more attention at CES.
Late 2014, Broadwell Y-series (Core i3, i5, i7) will be inside tablets and 2-in-1s in the 12 inch form factor.
Microsoft's hardware woes are over.
LOL. That's been the meme for a while. "With the upcoming Intel (insert codename here), everything is finally fixed, and Microsoft can go back to beating Apple again."
LOL. That's been the meme for a while. "With the upcoming Intel (insert codename here), everything is finally fixed, and Microsoft can go back to beating Apple again."
Always "the next thing, just you wait"
Bay Trail and Haswell Y-series are already on the market. . .
When introducing the A7, they made a big point of calling it "desktop class." So they must have plans of using future A series arm chips on iOS desktop/laptop type devices.
And no, no keyboard, no mouse, none of that crap. Apple shouldn't mess with the iPad's form factor and usage paradigm.
If people did not want a keyboard to use with their iPads their would not be such a huge range of BT keyboards for the iPad. I personally look forward to the day when I can connect my iPad or iPhone to a dock that connects to a monitor, keyboard, trackpad, hard drive and printer when I am at home or work. This can then be detached and taken with you as a tablet. The iPad is close to being able to do this now, Android tablets are even closer t being able to do this. If Apple make an iPad with the innards of the MacBook Air this will be even closer.
If people did not want a keyboard to use with their iPads their would no be such a huge range of BT keyboards for the iPad. I personally look forward to the day when I can connect my iPad or iPhone to a dock that connects to a monitor, keyboard, trackpad, hard drive and printer when I am at home or work. This can then be detached and taken with you as a tablet. The iPad is close to being able to do this now, Android tablets are even closer t being able to do this. If Apple make an iPad with the innards of the MacBook Air this will be even closer.
You just described a modern Windows 8.1 tablet (example ASUS T100).
In terms of phones, Ubuntu Linux is the closest to the complete convergence device.
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Which apps do you use that would benefit from a pro iPad, and how often do you use them? I'm not trying to be nosy, I'm just trying to wrap my head around a Pro iPad.
I can name a few apps, but I'm really just talking about everything.
From browsing, to watching a movie, to playing a game, or using productivity apps, some people would welcome a larger screen.
As for specific apps, I can mention certain audio and music apps that I use that require a lot of power. Auria is a DAW app that uses plugins, and some of those plugins can be very CPU intensive, such as convolution reverbs. In those sort of apps, the more plug ins you add, the greater the CPU power is required.
Also, certain apps can look a bit cluttered on the screen, and having a larger screen would be helpful.
I an very impressed with Intel's ability to make CPUs with fantastically improved power usage numbers. However, I think there is an inherent power advantage to the ARM design. Plus, the very reason Intel is not interested in the ARM business is that they can not make their normally fat margins in that arena. If Intel holds to that, and I think they may, then the intel-based devices will always struggle to compete with ARM on price and margin.
In the past the huge base of PCs and the desire to be Win compatible has carried the day for Win/Intel but the horses have been out of the barn for too long, BYOD is alive and well in enterprise and education has never been tamed to the idea of Windows. It will be interesting to see how the near future may play out. Will Microsoft be able to heard the horses back under their control, or have they scattered to the greener fields? With consumers nearly totally rejecting Microsoft's grip, combined with BYOD, and the much more mobile workforce, things are still very dicey for Microsoft... then throw the CEO change-over on top of the mess, and Microsoft may be delayed from being more adroit and responsive to the challenges the near term will present... especially if Apple introduces another disruption, as it appears to be poised to do.
Microsoft is living in interesting times.
Maybe, but neither chip will be designed from the ground-up to run iOS
Both are designed to run a complete desktop experience with performance being the only limiting factor.
Steve crapped on video for the iPod touch then did video and it took off. No one said Steve had to go.
Steve crapped on eBooks then did iBooks for iPad and it took off so well, Amazon paid the US government to sue Apple. No one said Steve had to go.
Why would have to go?
Both are designed to run a complete desktop experience with performance being the only limiting factor.
I don't want a desktop experience on my tablet.
That sounds highly unattractive and backwards.
I want an iPad experience.
If I want a desktop experience, I'll turn on my desktop.
It's a nice idea but doesn't solve the discrepancy between the interfaces.
It also introduces extra lag that makes life difficult, even on a local network (as I know from experience), iCloud would make things worse.
The point is that a 64bit A7 processor is powerfull enough to run almost all desktop applications even video editing and render software.
Using it as 'thin client' is a waste of resources and a very bad idea (as it always has been) and can be compared to using a notebook as a thin client.
Spreadsheets are the kind of app that benefits from a larger screen for creation and studying. Just moving a lot of pixels around on the screen needs a more powerful CPU. Using the iPad as a presentation tool is improved with a larger screen.
Such a device as the proposed iPad Pro would have been a failure before the weight, CPU capacity, and battery development had been brought up to today's levels. It is now possible, where it was once not thinkable. How far portable devices have came in 20 years is astounding to me. So much power for so little cost! I could never have imagined!
So a slower, less-featured MacBook Air?
Do they? They made an iPad too small to be used. A larger one would just be making up for that at this point.
The Mini is just fine. What's wrong with it?
Steve Jobs on eBooks:
“It doesn’t matter how good or bad the product is, the fact is that people don’t read anymore. Forty percent of the people in the U.S. read one book or less last year. The whole concept is flawed at the top because people don’t read anymore.”
Steve Jobs on video iPods:
"You can't watch a video and drive a car. We're focused on music."
Steve Jobs on an Apple mobile phone:
"I get a lot of pressure to do a PDA. What people really seem to want to do with these is get the data out. We believe cell phones are going to carry this information. We didn't think we'd do well in the cell phone business."
Steve Jobs on an Apple tablet:
"Tablets appeal to rich guys with plenty of other PCs and devices already."
And yet everything he said was true. At least it's clear that he and Apple believed it. I know your point is to stop taking one marketer's word as gospel so start taking your own advice. Does it really matter what Tim Cook said a year or two ago. Apple has and will continue to change their stance on an evolving marketplace. The only ones that continue to listen to predictions and proclamations are financial analysts in order to make a buck. it's their job to parrot predictions, not to be creative.
I an very impressed with Intel's ability to make CPUs with fantastically improved power usage numbers. However, I think there is an inherent power advantage to the ARM design. Plus, the very reason Intel is not interested in the ARM business is that they can not make their normally fat margins in that arena. If Intel holds to that, and I think they may, then the intel-based devices will always struggle to compete with ARM on price and margin.
In 2010 an Atom Z560 was $144
Intel's Bay Trail Z3740 costs $32, and their Z3770 costs $37.
I think Intel has come to terms that their fat margins can no longer hold.
Their hardware is competitively priced with ARM:
Yes, Apple will NEVER do a hybrid. Dual-boot is not something people should be forced to do.
I believe they will largely expand iOS capabilities this year, with possible multi-window support.
The Verge has a video showing how the successor to WebOS, Eel, would have looked and how it would have managed multitasking.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/2/5264580/the-lost-secrets-of-webos
It used 'flat' design before Apple or Google used it. And the implementation of multitasking is just incredible and super intuitive. It's just amazing how natural and easy to use it looks. I hope Apple will go into that direction, but now that I've seen that, I'm not sure how could something else be better.
I hope this comes out with a touch optimized version of OSX but that's a long shot. I'd buy it on day one if that happened!
Why? It would be a worthless clunky piece of garbage like every other Desktop OS shoehorned into a touch device.
OS X is made for Keyboard and Mouse.
iOS is made for touch.
What is it that stupid people don't understand about this ultra-basic and simple concept?
I don't want a desktop experience on my tablet.
That sounds highly unattractive and backwards.
I want an iPad experience.
If I want a desktop experience, I'll turn on my desktop.
You might not have the option a year from now at the rate that desktops sales fall. Apple would just be stepping in to fill the obvious gap left there after the original introduction of the iPad. Remember, Apple doesn't get involved with low numbers unless they have to (Mac Pro for example). When desktop and laptop sales reach the single digits in millions per year, Apple will not try to save that division. They will instead eat it up before anyone else can like they always have done.
IMO and I speculated here at AI last year before the unveiling of iOS7, it's iOS that is going to be further developed to slowly but surely incorporate certain features and functions that people have been clamoring for... mainly the "pros" among us... and be the OS for the Apple and computing masses.
Such as opening up a portion of the system to be used as cross-app repositories for data and allowing user-defined apps to access the data AKA Folders, Files and "Open with".... as well as integrating the cloud.
And why not a BT mouse possibility? I wouldn't want or need one... but more gestures or programable keyboard shortcuts, launchers, whatever can't be bad.
I'm absolutely apposed to user accounts, especially on a device with "pro" in it's name. It belongs to one and only one person to make it work, or potentially screw up all on his/her very own.
The very fact is that iOS has a massive user-base with a wide variety of usage scenarios already. Adding to those scenarios is where the money and the future is at. The "trucks" AKA rMBPs, iMacs, MacPro will still be there for those that need them, but I would speculate that roughly 30% of current MBA/MBP owners and users could easily be content with a 64-bit, 128gb iOS iPad Pro... actually be very happy with it, if iOS adds a few necessary functions.
The biggest hint that this will come to be, is the announcement of 64-bit ARM. Apple is going to leverage that on iOS 8 and new devices that is going to blow most of our minds... and the competition squarely out of the water, re: Microsoft is toast! The above speculated iPad Pro-iOS8 duo will literally blow the kickstand off of those Intel/WinNT-kernel posers!
WWDC 2014 Quote of The Year Prediction: Hybrid my ass! :smokey:
LOL. That's been the meme for a while. "With the upcoming Intel (insert codename here), everything is finally fixed, and Microsoft can go back to beating Apple again."
Always "the next thing, just you wait"
LOL. That's been the meme for a while. "With the upcoming Intel (insert codename here), everything is finally fixed, and Microsoft can go back to beating Apple again."
Always "the next thing, just you wait"
Bay Trail and Haswell Y-series are already on the market. . .
When introducing the A7, they made a big point of calling it "desktop class." So they must have plans of using future A series arm chips on iOS desktop/laptop type devices.
If people did not want a keyboard to use with their iPads their would not be such a huge range of BT keyboards for the iPad. I personally look forward to the day when I can connect my iPad or iPhone to a dock that connects to a monitor, keyboard, trackpad, hard drive and printer when I am at home or work. This can then be detached and taken with you as a tablet. The iPad is close to being able to do this now, Android tablets are even closer t being able to do this. If Apple make an iPad with the innards of the MacBook Air this will be even closer.
If people did not want a keyboard to use with their iPads their would no be such a huge range of BT keyboards for the iPad. I personally look forward to the day when I can connect my iPad or iPhone to a dock that connects to a monitor, keyboard, trackpad, hard drive and printer when I am at home or work. This can then be detached and taken with you as a tablet. The iPad is close to being able to do this now, Android tablets are even closer t being able to do this. If Apple make an iPad with the innards of the MacBook Air this will be even closer.
You just described a modern Windows 8.1 tablet (example ASUS T100).
In terms of phones, Ubuntu Linux is the closest to the complete convergence device.