Nest's Fadell backtracks on data privacy, will be transparent about future changes

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  • Reply 61 of 137
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    Originally Posted by jameskatt2 View Post



    Fadell's backtracking means that he is lying. Nest will eventually become a gateway for Google to monitor our behavior, our conversations at home so that it can gather data to sell to advertisers - some who are the NSA.

     

    Could you be any more hyperbolic? This whole thread is predicated on the idea that Google sells information to advertisers.

     

    They don't do that. Enough said. This entire thread is subsequently nonsense.

  • Reply 62 of 137
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    Originally Posted by sirozha View Post



    Google will know when you come and when you leave your house. Still don't think there's anything wrong with it?

     

    Google already knows this, as I carry around a phone that scans for WiFi. When it sees my home WiFi it knows where I am.

     

    Why is this remotely scary? You know because I am posting here that I am more than likely at home. Where's the creepiness?

  • Reply 63 of 137
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    daven wrote: »
    Wrong. You can photograph it from public property (i.e. the street) but have no right to trespass on their property and photograph their condo.

    Photography on private property that is generally open to the public (e.g., a shopping mall) is usually permitted unless explicitly prohibited by posted signs.
  • Reply 64 of 137
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    Both but I would venture to guess that the most vehemently pro-Google comments here are from Google fanboys. I would also say that there are proportionately a lot more Google fanboys here than there are Apple fanboys on Google sites. Just go to a site like androidpolice.com and make a pro-Apple comment or even a doubting Google comment. You will see rabid Google fanboyism in action.


    Yep, it's very annoying on both sides of that. I use an Android phone, but own many devices from Apple and Google, and will continue to. My recommendation to my wife when she finally got a smart phone was the iPhone, because it fit her planned use better (she just wants something to work consistently, vs. me who wants to tinker and customize more).

     

    It is funny how many people are so scared of Google these days. Yeah, they're big, have a lot of money, and they're collecting our data every place they can. They're not the only ones -- Apple's privacy statement clearly says that they use your personal information to develop and deliver advertising. Nothing new there.

     

    Then you see people dismiss Google or Apple as "morons" and their product users as stupid, which says much more about the intelligence of the person speaking.

  • Reply 65 of 137
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    Google will know when you come and when you leave your house. Still don't think there's anything wrong with it?

    You know, Google if they really wanted to probably already knows when I am home or not. I use their email for my business, I use Google to search for things as well. They can easily see that a majority of my day I am operating between two IP addresses, work and home. Do you know who else can tell if I am home? Anybody who is willing to drive by my house and see if my car is parked there.

     

    Color me crazy, but I'm not worried about if Google knows if I am home or not. As we become more connected with technology throughout our lives, the more this issue will come up. I would easily say I'm a Google and Apple fan. I'm not an Android fan, but I enjoy using Google search, Google Maps, Google Apps for Business, and their other services. Maybe I should be more worried than I am, but for now it's not a huge concern to me.

  • Reply 66 of 137
    bilbo63bilbo63 Posts: 285member

    I have a Nest and I'm not thrilled that Google bought the company. I avoid Google wherever I can. Who knows what info they will harvest in the future. I'm betting that they will use our data to help furnace companies sell us new furnaces. "We noticed that your furnace uses "X amount" of gas. Buy one of our new furnaces and we can save you 4% on your bills." 

     

    Google try to get their greasy fingers into all areas of our lives to harvest data and it creeps me out. I'm leaving my Nest on the wall, but if I could do it over again, I wouldn't have bought it knowing what I know now.

     

    Every time we turn around Google has a new conduit into our lives. They crossed a line for me personally, it's all too much.

     

    I don't think that I can control my Nest from my phone without also sending Google my data. If I can cut the umbilical cord to Google, I'd be much happier.

  • Reply 67 of 137
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    Originally Posted by Bilbo63 View Post

     

    I have a Nest and I'm not thrilled that Google bought the company. I avoid Google wherever I can. Who knows what info they will harvest in the future. I'm betting that they will use our data to help furnace companies sell us new furnaces. "We noticed that your furnace uses "X amount" of gas. Buy one of our new furnaces and we can save you 4% on your bills."


     

    Is this supposed to be creepy? That you are told a product exists to save you 4% without any personally identifiable information being passed along? I think that's frankly very impressive and amazing. If Google do truly get to the level that they can calculate your heating efficiency and improve it? That's a great thing. Why would it be bad?!

  • Reply 68 of 137
    bilbo63bilbo63 Posts: 285member
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    Is this supposed to be creepy? That you are told a product exists to save you 4% without any personally identifiable information being passed along? I think that's frankly very impressive and amazing. If Google do truly get to the level that they can calculate your heating efficiency and improve it? That's a great thing. Why would it be bad?!


     

    Mainly because it's Google. I am sick of how much info that they harvest. Every time I turn around, their greasy fingers are getting more data. It's creepy and I don't like it. I also don't like door to door salesman.

     

    If I feel that I need a new furnace I'll buy one. Google doesn't need to have one of THEIR customers call me thanks.

  • Reply 69 of 137
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    Mainly because it's Google. I am sick of how much info that they harvest. Every time I turn around, their greasy fingers are getting more data. It's creepy and I don't like it. I also don't like door to door salesman.

     

    If I feel that I need a new furnace I'll buy one. Google doesn't need to have one of THEIR customers call me thanks.




    Google doesn't have their customers call you. I don't know where people get these ideas from! If a furnace company uses Google, they buy the most relevant search keywords and essentially tell Google what sort of customer they'd want. That's their business plan, and they do such an impressive job of it they can literally answer random questions from the content of the Internet.

     

    I know this site is Apple Insider but I find them both very impressive for different reasons.

  • Reply 70 of 137
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    Google doesn't have their customers call you. I don't know where people get these ideas from! If a furnace company uses Google, they buy the most relevant search keywords and essentially tell Google what sort of customer they'd want. That's their business plan, and they do such an impressive job of it they can literally answer random questions from the content of the Internet.

     

    I know this site is Apple Insider but I find them both very impressive for different reasons.


    I realize that they don't actually call. At least TODAY they don't actually call. But their real customers do bombard us with ads based on the info that they harvest. I don't trust Google. Not even a little,– and I'm not the only one. They spend all of their time trying worm their way into our live to collect more and more data. Why? because that's how they make their money. It's their business model.

     

    Like I've said repeatedly. It's creepy. Google have gone too far. I don't like it and you are not going to convince me otherwise. If you are comfortable with Google  harvesting your data then fine, whatever blows your hair back. For many of us, we don't like it.

  • Reply 71 of 137
    You know, Google if they really wanted to probably already knows when I am home or not. I use their email for my business, I use Google to search for things as well. They can easily see that a majority of my day I am operating between two IP addresses, work and home. Do you know who else can tell if I am home? Anybody who is willing to drive by my house and see if my car is parked there.

    Color me crazy, but I'm not worried about if Google knows if I am home or not. As we become more connected with technology throughout our lives, the more this issue will come up. I would easily say I'm a Google and Apple fan. I'm not an Android fan, but I enjoy using Google search, Google Maps, Google Apps for Business, and their other services. Maybe I should be more worried than I am, but for now it's not a huge concern to me.

    Well, some people have spouses who are not constantly on the Internet, and some of these people have garages, so it's not immediately obvious to a driver-by if there's anyone at home. So, I would consider my thermostats reporting on my absence at home to any company - especially to Google - the invasion of privacy that crosses the red line for me. YMMW.
  • Reply 72 of 137
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    Well, some people have spouses who are not constantly on the Internet, and some of these people have garages, so it's not immediately obvious to a driver-by if there's anyone at home. So, I would consider my thermostats reporting on my absence at home to any company - especially to Google - the invasion of privacy that crosses the red line for me. YMMW.

    Hey, to each their own. I definitely understand the concern and wouldn't fault anyone who is uncertain about this situation. For me, I see too much value in the Nest products. I've been through a house fire before and have lost everything, so to have a thermostat and smoke detector that work in tandem, shutting off the flow of smoke or carbon monoxide when detected, or even alerting me of smoke while I'm away from my house is invaluable to me.

     

    I just can't think of anything alarming that Google will do with that data that is of concern to me. If I ever do feel the need to be concerned, I have a few options. I could take the Nest down and replace it, or with my Meraki access point I could create a 2nd SSID that is just for the Nest and does't have access to anything else in my house.

  • Reply 73 of 137
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    Originally Posted by Bilbo63 View Post

     

    I realize that they don't actually call. At least TODAY they don't actually call. But their real customers do bombard us with ads based on the info that they harvest. I don't trust Google. Not even a little,– and I'm not the only one. They spend all of their time trying worm their way into our live to collect more and more data. Why? because that's how they make their money. It's their business model.

     

    Like I've said repeatedly. It's creepy. Google have gone too far. I don't like it and you are not going to convince me otherwise. If you are comfortable with Google  harvesting your data then fine, whatever blows your hair back. For many of us, we don't like it.


     

    How is it creepy? Seriously, you haven't actually established any reason whatsoever. You realise that every single company you ever interact with tries to store as much data as possible? Everyone from Apple to the Zoo cares about the data on their customers. I don't get 'bombarded' with ads. I see occasional, relevant ads, and mostly don't click them. That's the extent of my involvement.

     

     

    On the other hand, my Nexus 5 knows when I should leave to get to meetings because it reads my calendar and looks up traffic conditions for me. Then beeps at me and tells me when to leave to make it there on time. That's the flip-side to Google's infrastructure, they sell ads to make money so they can afford to do really impressive stuff like Google Now without charging for it. It's win/win from my perspective. Google knows roughly what sort of person I am and what I like so they can sell things to be better, and in return for buying things I would have anyway, I get awesome free AI services at my disposal.

     

     

    Honestly it seems like a good trade-off to me. There's also the benefit that they generally beat their competitors on price too.

  • Reply 74 of 137
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    How is it creepy? Seriously, you haven't actually established any reason whatsoever. You realise that every single company you ever interact with tries to store as much data as possible? Everyone from Apple to the Zoo cares about the data on their customers. I don't get 'bombarded' with ads. I see occasional, relevant ads, and mostly don't click them. That's the extent of my involvement.

     

     

    On the other hand, my Nexus 5 knows when I should leave to get to meetings because it reads my calendar and looks up traffic conditions for me. Then beeps at me and tells me when to leave to make it there on time. That's the flip-side to Google's infrastructure, they sell ads to make money so they can afford to do really impressive stuff like Google Now without charging for it. It's win/win from my perspective. Google knows roughly what sort of person I am and what I like so they can sell things to be better, and in return for buying things I would have anyway, I get awesome free AI services at my disposal.

     

     

    Honestly it seems like a good trade-off to me. There's also the benefit that they generally beat their competitors on price too.


    Clearly you are not listening.  I am not cool with ANY company that is always creating conduits into my personal life for the sole purpose of harvesting my info. Google just happens to be by far the worst offender and very time we turn around they create yet another way in. That's why they exist. Enough already.

     

    I get it. YOU love Google and I'm they only one who finds their data harvesting creepy. I respect your opinion, feel free to live your life as you wish – it's your right. That said, if I CHOOSE to not have Google looking over my shoulder at every turn, that is my right as well. I don't even need a reason. I don't like it should be enough. Shouldn't it?

  • Reply 75 of 137
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    Originally Posted by ItsTheInternet View Post

     

     

    How is it creepy? Seriously, you haven't actually established any reason whatsoever. You realise that every single company you ever interact with tries to store as much data as possible? Everyone from Apple to the Zoo cares about the data on their customers. I don't get 'bombarded' with ads. I see occasional, relevant ads, and mostly don't click them. That's the extent of my involvement.

     

     

    On the other hand, my Nexus 5 knows when I should leave to get to meetings because it reads my calendar and looks up traffic conditions for me. Then beeps at me and tells me when to leave to make it there on time. That's the flip-side to Google's infrastructure, they sell ads to make money so they can afford to do really impressive stuff like Google Now without charging for it. It's win/win from my perspective. Google knows roughly what sort of person I am and what I like so they can sell things to be better, and in return for buying things I would have anyway, I get awesome free AI services at my disposal.

     

     

    Honestly it seems like a good trade-off to me. There's also the benefit that they generally beat their competitors on price too.


    Oh and by the way, I don't hate everything that Google does and yes some of it is pretty cool. I'm just getting sick of them always creating new ways to get our data. That makes some of us uncomfortable.

  • Reply 76 of 137
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    Originally Posted by Bilbo63 View Post

    I get it. YOU love Google and I'm they only one who finds their data harvesting creepy. I respect your opinion, feel free to live your life as you wish – it's your right. That said, if I CHOOSE to not have Google looking over my shoulder at every turn, that is my right as well. I don't even need a reason. I don't like it should be enough. Shouldn't it?

     

    It's not like I'm saying you shouldn't have a choice. Just saying that I don't understand why it's supposed to be creepy. Google knows where I live (because they bill me). They know my music taste, they know where I tend to hangout. They also have a rough idea of my friends.

     

     

    Google occupies the same place in my life as a random, not particularly close friend would. I don't even use Gmail for my email so to me it's like having a friend who has more computing capacity than God :)

  • Reply 77 of 137
    Originally Posted by StruckPaper View Post

    Are there many Google fanboys here?

     

    Why would there be?

     

    Or are some of those folks simply less biased (and deluded) in their views?


     

    Come off it.

     

    It is possible to like both Apple and Google technology?


     

    Yes. I do. The technology itself is great.

     

    It’s the way that Google runs its entire business that cannot be liked.

     

    Originally Posted by StruckPaper View Post

    FUD

     

    No, that’s probably pretty accurate.

  • Reply 78 of 137
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    It's not like I'm saying you shouldn't have a choice. Just saying that I don't understand why it's supposed to be creepy. Google knows where I live (because they bill me). They know my music taste, they know where I tend to hangout. They also have a rough idea of my friends.

     

     

    Google occupies the same place in my life as a random, not particularly close friend would. I don't even use Gmail for my email so to me it's like having a friend who has more computing capacity than God :)


     

    It's like always having someone peeking in your windows. "I see that Bill is low on milk, I'll just let my friend Steve the milkman know (for a fee of course) that if he puts an ad in Bill's mailbox, he just might make a sale." I know that you are just looking out for my best interest Google but no thanks. I don't mind a bit of targeted ads. But any single company that continually weasels it's way into my life for data collection is uncomfortable to me.

     

    I realize it's not just Google. Just to post a comment on some websites it's required that they get your Facebook profile, your contacts, sometimes even your calendar. Why the heck do they need that info? My contacts and calendar is MY  personal information. I attempted to subscribe to a vendors catalogue so THEY could SELL me stuff, but they wouldn't unless I gave them my profile, contacts, calendar as well. There is absolutely no reason that they should REQUIRE that info. It pisses me off. No thanks, maybe I don't want your catalogue after all.

  • Reply 79 of 137
    I almost bought two of these. Now I will never consider. Google is out of control with data collection. In fact any entity that collects our data is out of control. This just woke me up to ANY wifi controlled device. I never thought a device like this had to collect your data in order to work. If I ran this company or any company I would have a niche market to the people who want ZERO data collected.
  • Reply 80 of 137
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    appleuser1 wrote: »
    I almost bought two of these. Now I will never consider. Google is out of control with data collection. In fact any entity that collects our data is out of control. This just woke me up to ANY wifi controlled device. I never thought a device like this had to collect your data in order to work. If I ran this company or any company I would have a niche market to the people who want ZERO data collected.

    And how would you advertise said company?
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