As for the iPhone 5c, Apple's plastic-backed, mid-range handset has been the subject of many rumors that have claimed the smartphone has sold below the company's internal expectations.
Assuming that's true, one has to wonder what is turning off buyers:
1. Absence of premium features found only on the 5s (unlikely, since the 4 and 4s sold well alongside the 5)
2. The plastic back. Again, seems unlikely since it's better than the plastic on competing units that sell really well.
3. The "not-found-in-nature" colors. This is my bet. I'd be interested to see how well this model sells in more natural, conservative colors.
The arguments for why the 5c is the best thing since IHOP aren't quite as prevalent as they used to be. Why, just the other day I heard someone say that they rarely see a 5c in the wild... or something to that effect. A total reversal from past rants.
I've yet to see an iPhone 5c in the wild. To be fair I don't look that closely though and I haven't seen thousands of 5S either. But I've definitely seen those.
...the company will subsequently discontinue the plastic-backed, mid-range iPhone 5c...
On the contrary I think the 5c will be around for a looooooooong time. It's currently out-shined by the 5s but represents an apex of simple, technical design.
Once Apple begins building more differentiating value into their high end devices, such as larger resolution displays and services centred around touch ID (key-chain and mobile payments) the 5c will be more freely able to cascade into lower price points without cannibalising profit margins where I can easily see interest picking up .
It is also relatively simple for them to freshen up the range by releasing a new assortment of colours.
I watched some guy standing in a grocery store checkout line. Holding grocery basket in one hand, and "name-your-brand" phablet in the other. I literally had to laugh watching the thing flop around in his hand like a live fish as he tried to navigate the screen. Very comical.
Perhaps I should then take some pride in the fact that I manage my life in a way that does not require trying to navigate a pocket computer screen while standing in line at the grocery store. Or dangling the kid. Or unlocking the door. The problem isn't screen size, it's people not knowing when to leave the freakin' phone alone for a few goddam seconds!
No, i think you need to read my statement again. i didn't say it was a strategy. i am sure you are correct in saying it did not live up to Apple's expectation too. all i am saying is, it probably is good thing it didnt live up to their expectation.
I've yet to see an iPhone 5c in the wild. To be fair I don't look that closely though and I haven't seen thousands of 5S either. But I've definitely seen those.
I went to a dance show at one of the local high schools. Middle to upper middle. Almost all the girls that I saw in the audience, and I'm talking 120-150, were hanging onto phones. I saw a few 5, a few 5s, a few flavors of Samsung, a 4 or 4s or two, an HTC... but not one 5c... and I was looking hard (MOM!! What's that creepy old dude looking at??!!). Most of the parents seemed to be holding onto one type of iPhone or another with a few Samsungs in the mix.
I went to a dance show at one of the local high schools. Middle to upper middle. Almost all the girls that I saw in the audience, and I'm talking 120-150, were hanging onto phones. I saw a few 5, a few 5s, a few flavors of Samsung, a 4 or 4s or two, an HTC... but not one 5c... and I was looking hard (MOM!! What's that creepy old dude looking at??!!). Most of the parents seemed to be holding onto one type of iPhone or another with a few Samsungs in the mix.
I expected to see at least one 5c... but...
IMO, Apple set (even) high(er) expectations on themselves when they released the 4. That premium eschewed plastic and use more 'real-world' materials. Jobs likened it to a Leica camera. The argument that 3 and 3gs were plastic and sold well became moot because of the 4, the 4S and the 5.
Not a bad thing, mind, but going back to plastic, even Jony Ives unicorn plastic, was always going to be a retrograde step.
Now, these things might be selling like hotcakes, but anecdotally, this part of the world doesn't seem the least bit interested in hotcakes. I think Apple may decide the 'fun' strategy isn't worth the R&D required to fit the same guts in a new shell year after year. I think we'll see the return of last year's models being knocked down a peg or two to accommodate the new model.
You've already shown you know nothing about design.
Children's toys are not small. They are oversized and exaggerated.
So, pocketability, and use with a single hand is worthless to you. Personally, I've always been waiting for the iPhone-Mini. But, that's just me.
Some shoes to go with your phablet:
No, what I"m saying is that 'pocketability' and one handed use doesn't have to sacrifice for screen size and vice versa. The Moto X essentially is all screen and is quite compact as well as fits fine in just one hand and for one hand use. All this while fitting in normal pockets; slacks/business attire as well as normal sized jeans. You can make all the jokes and use all the funny pictures you want, it doesn't change the fact that larger screens can be had along with 'pocketability' and one handed use.... Apple just hasn't done it yet and again are slow to the party. Now you can argue that the several people I've seen using the Moto X purchased special pants just to use the phone so it could slide so effortlessly in and out of their pocket... You can also argue that they might have gotten a hand transplant to be able to use it with one hand (yup I can say silly things that don't really aide my point too)... however when I test drove one for my job I assure you no special accommodations of the like were made and it was a joy to handle and shaped in such a way that it actually felt better than my 5S in some ways.
Moto X
Yes, very pretty. Great for people who care more about fashion than use.
I mean how do you use that phone with all the Apps that utilize standing the devise on it's edge or on it's end?
How do you use it for all the various uses and apps that utilize laying the device flat on it's back?
I watched some guy standing in a grocery store checkout line. Holding grocery basket in one hand, and "name-your-brand" phablet in the other. I literally had to laugh watching the thing flop around in his hand like a live fish as he tried to navigate the screen. Very comical.
Perhaps I should then take some pride in the fact that I manage my life in a way that does not require trying to navigate a pocket computer screen while standing in line at the grocery store. Or dangling the kid. Or unlocking the door. The problem isn't screen size, it's people not knowing when to leave the freakin' phone alone for a few goddam seconds!
Yeah, you're right. And you should be proud, by golly!
People using their handheld computer while waiting in line…
Sheesh! Some people really need to get a life, right?
Nothing more amusing than watching some clown put a tablet up to his ear, oh wait it is a phone.
WSJ analysts are the clowns!
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Your perspective is laughable at best. 5.5+" phones sure, this comment would be applicable. Note3's are insanely large... However 4.8" is the bare minimum in this juncture of the industry. I'm tired (as many other I know) of looking at a teeny tiny screen, squinting just to make out text on some things or feeling like I'm watching a video on a small childs toy. A larger screen = a better viewing experience for all content and consumption. And no, I'm not carrying around an iPad mini as some have suggested just t have a larger viewing experience. Why carry around 2 devices when 1 will do (if the 1 device is done right)?
I really don't think my statements are laughable.
The 6"+ phones look ridiculous.
WSJ analysts are clowns.
I don't take these predictions seriously. If anything they are just attempts at manipulating the stock or analysts only trying to justify their existence.
A 4.8" phone might be a successful model for Apple. It might not. My concern is that Apple starts to A) Splinter their product line Appear to be chasing Samsung or others. Neither are good for the brand.
You could say the same about an iPhone 4 or 4s screen as well. Open up an app like Modern War, Kingdom Age, Clash of Clans, Netflix, Youtube, and dozens more of the most popular apps and you will see exactly the same thing on a 3.5", 4", or 5" display. But which is easier to read the small texts that often appear or touch the often tiny small icons on the display? A larger display gives a far better experience. Bigger displays are coming and feel free to stick with your tiny 4" screen if you prefer but after 4 years of waiting for something larger I will be a very happy iPhone customer with a larger display.
My Galaxy S4,
sits in a drawer,
It was such a bore,
I use it no more,
Low on storage big on screen
Like Samsung becoming a has been.
Apple will keep the 4" version around for people that give a flying frack about one handed use. But guess what, there is a whole lot of people that don't care about one handed use and want all the goodness that comes with a larger display. Choice is a good thing. Do you use your iPhone with one hand while you use all the apps that are landscape mode only? There are a lot of them. I can type texts with one hand but I can type twice as fast with two hands in landscape mode. Why do people keep talking about one handed use as if this the one feature all iPhone users demand when I see so many already using the current iPhone with 2 hands.
And your price predictions were also way off. Apple will keep the same prices as they have now. There is no way they would sell an unlocked iPhone 6 for $550 when the equivalent 5s now sells for $649. The 6 will start at $649 just like the 5s.
Here I sit, sandwich in hand
Replying to you, life's pretty grand.
I can see Apple making a bigger phone but think they will rename it something different to take the phablet name away from it. iPhab or iPhone B (big) lame.
It really was interesting (some would say strange) what apple did to the iPhone line last year. They didn't just release one *new* iPhone, the 5s, they released two (as in apple considers the 5c a completely new product even thought internally it isn't).
Releasing two new iPhones a year has set a precedent for apple. I don't think they would go back to releasing just one ever year.
I've yet to see an iPhone 5c in the wild. To be fair I don't look that closely though and I haven't seen thousands of 5S either. But I've definitely seen those.
I've seen a handful of 5Cs in the wild. Mostly with teenagers.
Took long enough for the "smart" guys at Apple to figure out a larger screen would appeal to a certain percentage of consumers. Then again this is a company that thought it knew what color its customers wanted.
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As for the iPhone 5c, Apple's plastic-backed, mid-range handset has been the subject of many rumors that have claimed the smartphone has sold below the company's internal expectations.
Assuming that's true, one has to wonder what is turning off buyers:
1. Absence of premium features found only on the 5s (unlikely, since the 4 and 4s sold well alongside the 5)
2. The plastic back. Again, seems unlikely since it's better than the plastic on competing units that sell really well.
3. The "not-found-in-nature" colors. This is my bet. I'd be interested to see how well this model sells in more natural, conservative colors.
The arguments for why the 5c is the best thing since IHOP aren't quite as prevalent as they used to be. Why, just the other day I heard someone say that they rarely see a 5c in the wild... or something to that effect. A total reversal from past rants.
I've yet to see an iPhone 5c in the wild. To be fair I don't look that closely though and I haven't seen thousands of 5S either. But I've definitely seen those.
...the company will subsequently discontinue the plastic-backed, mid-range iPhone 5c...
On the contrary I think the 5c will be around for a looooooooong time. It's currently out-shined by the 5s but represents an apex of simple, technical design.
Once Apple begins building more differentiating value into their high end devices, such as larger resolution displays and services centred around touch ID (key-chain and mobile payments) the 5c will be more freely able to cascade into lower price points without cannibalising profit margins where I can easily see interest picking up .
It is also relatively simple for them to freshen up the range by releasing a new assortment of colours.
I watched some guy standing in a grocery store checkout line. Holding grocery basket in one hand, and "name-your-brand" phablet in the other. I literally had to laugh watching the thing flop around in his hand like a live fish as he tried to navigate the screen. Very comical.
Perhaps I should then take some pride in the fact that I manage my life in a way that does not require trying to navigate a pocket computer screen while standing in line at the grocery store. Or dangling the kid. Or unlocking the door. The problem isn't screen size, it's people not knowing when to leave the freakin' phone alone for a few goddam seconds!
An important forum trolling skill is being able to cherry pick surveys and web links that prove what one already believes.
So you have data that rebuts his?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
No, i think you need to read my statement again. i didn't say it was a strategy. i am sure you are correct in saying it did not live up to Apple's expectation too. all i am saying is, it probably is good thing it didnt live up to their expectation.
Hey AI, can you post just one article about this bullshit and then delete it.
There will be no 5+" iPhone this year or ever.
Appleinsider is all about *rumors*; no *insider* news.
I've yet to see an iPhone 5c in the wild. To be fair I don't look that closely though and I haven't seen thousands of 5S either. But I've definitely seen those.
I went to a dance show at one of the local high schools. Middle to upper middle. Almost all the girls that I saw in the audience, and I'm talking 120-150, were hanging onto phones. I saw a few 5, a few 5s, a few flavors of Samsung, a 4 or 4s or two, an HTC... but not one 5c... and I was looking hard (MOM!! What's that creepy old dude looking at??!!). Most of the parents seemed to be holding onto one type of iPhone or another with a few Samsungs in the mix.
I expected to see at least one 5c... but...
I went to a dance show at one of the local high schools. Middle to upper middle. Almost all the girls that I saw in the audience, and I'm talking 120-150, were hanging onto phones. I saw a few 5, a few 5s, a few flavors of Samsung, a 4 or 4s or two, an HTC... but not one 5c... and I was looking hard (MOM!! What's that creepy old dude looking at??!!). Most of the parents seemed to be holding onto one type of iPhone or another with a few Samsungs in the mix.
I expected to see at least one 5c... but...
IMO, Apple set (even) high(er) expectations on themselves when they released the 4. That premium eschewed plastic and use more 'real-world' materials. Jobs likened it to a Leica camera. The argument that 3 and 3gs were plastic and sold well became moot because of the 4, the 4S and the 5.
Not a bad thing, mind, but going back to plastic, even Jony Ives unicorn plastic, was always going to be a retrograde step.
Now, these things might be selling like hotcakes, but anecdotally, this part of the world doesn't seem the least bit interested in hotcakes. I think Apple may decide the 'fun' strategy isn't worth the R&D required to fit the same guts in a new shell year after year. I think we'll see the return of last year's models being knocked down a peg or two to accommodate the new model.
You've already shown you know nothing about design.
Children's toys are not small. They are oversized and exaggerated.
So, pocketability, and use with a single hand is worthless to you. Personally, I've always been waiting for the iPhone-Mini. But, that's just me.
Some shoes to go with your phablet:
No, what I"m saying is that 'pocketability' and one handed use doesn't have to sacrifice for screen size and vice versa. The Moto X essentially is all screen and is quite compact as well as fits fine in just one hand and for one hand use. All this while fitting in normal pockets; slacks/business attire as well as normal sized jeans. You can make all the jokes and use all the funny pictures you want, it doesn't change the fact that larger screens can be had along with 'pocketability' and one handed use.... Apple just hasn't done it yet and again are slow to the party. Now you can argue that the several people I've seen using the Moto X purchased special pants just to use the phone so it could slide so effortlessly in and out of their pocket... You can also argue that they might have gotten a hand transplant to be able to use it with one hand (yup I can say silly things that don't really aide my point too)... however when I test drove one for my job I assure you no special accommodations of the like were made and it was a joy to handle and shaped in such a way that it actually felt better than my 5S in some ways.
Moto X
Yes, very pretty. Great for people who care more about fashion than use.
I mean how do you use that phone with all the Apps that utilize standing the devise on it's edge or on it's end?
How do you use it for all the various uses and apps that utilize laying the device flat on it's back?
Absolutely.
No one hand use; No sale.
I have an HTC One with a 4.9" (I think) display, and there is absolutely no problem using it with one hand.
Yep. See people do it all the time.
If you don't mind shimmying the thing around in your hand, then it's "absolutely no problem".
I mind.
Guess that's why there's more than one phone on this planet.
I stand by my opinion that people look like funny when they hold 6"+ phones up to their ear. And you add all of the E.T. beeps they make. Clowns.
I watched some guy standing in a grocery store checkout line. Holding grocery basket in one hand, and "name-your-brand" phablet in the other. I literally had to laugh watching the thing flop around in his hand like a live fish as he tried to navigate the screen. Very comical.
Perhaps I should then take some pride in the fact that I manage my life in a way that does not require trying to navigate a pocket computer screen while standing in line at the grocery store. Or dangling the kid. Or unlocking the door. The problem isn't screen size, it's people not knowing when to leave the freakin' phone alone for a few goddam seconds!
Yeah, you're right. And you should be proud, by golly!
People using their handheld computer while waiting in line…
Sheesh! Some people really need to get a life, right?
Nothing more amusing than watching some clown put a tablet up to his ear, oh wait it is a phone.
WSJ analysts are the clowns!
Your perspective is laughable at best. 5.5+" phones sure, this comment would be applicable. Note3's are insanely large... However 4.8" is the bare minimum in this juncture of the industry. I'm tired (as many other I know) of looking at a teeny tiny screen, squinting just to make out text on some things or feeling like I'm watching a video on a small childs toy. A larger screen = a better viewing experience for all content and consumption. And no, I'm not carrying around an iPad mini as some have suggested just t have a larger viewing experience. Why carry around 2 devices when 1 will do (if the 1 device is done right)?
I really don't think my statements are laughable.
The 6"+ phones look ridiculous.
WSJ analysts are clowns.
I don't take these predictions seriously. If anything they are just attempts at manipulating the stock or analysts only trying to justify their existence.
A 4.8" phone might be a successful model for Apple. It might not. My concern is that Apple starts to A) Splinter their product line
Appear to be chasing Samsung or others. Neither are good for the brand.
My Galaxy S4,
sits in a drawer,
It was such a bore,
I use it no more,
Low on storage big on screen
Like Samsung becoming a has been.
Here I sit, sandwich in hand
Replying to you, life's pretty grand.
So how come it works on China Mobile's network?
If it wasn't internally different?
I've seen a handful of 5Cs in the wild. Mostly with teenagers.