Invoking speculation of what Steve Jobs would have wanted or done proves nothing. He wasn't some mythical authority figure from which all good decisions originate. And he explicitly told Tim Cook not to do something because Steve would have. So can we stop invoking him already?
I was going by history. Not sure they need all five colors and perhaps they'll go with 16GB.
yeah, but some of Apple "traditionnal" way of doing things is getting on my nerves. They way they handle memory on both old and new devices needs to change, $100 for 16g and 8g hardware is just plain stupid with current prices. If they start at 32g, at least you are getting 32 extra gigs for the first upgrade and even that is still too expensive.
They could maybe drop the 1 or 2 colors that sells the less, but the 5c is kind of about colors.
Apple wants to move to all 64-bit ASAP so regardless of the size of the displays I expect an all 64-bit line up this year.
Change is inevitable and some will embrace it and others will be dragged along kicking and screaming. You may be against a larger iPhone but you have to be blind if you think Apple will not introduce a larger display this year. The margins will likely be better on this phone as well since they will likely charge $100 more for it but the cost to manufacture will be around the same price as a 4" model if not less since there is more room inside the case.
To anyone that claims anything larger than a 4" is too big I doubt you have ever used anything besides an iPhone or you would not say that. Tim Cook and Apple are not stupid and they realize a rather larger percentage of current iPhone customers bought an iPhones in spite of the current 4" display and not because of it. No one can predict how well a larger iPhone will sell vs. the current 4" version until it comes to pass. There is simply no way to gauge the number of people that want to use an iOS phone on a display larger than 4" until one is available to purchase. I can only guess like the rest of you but my prediction is it will be far more popular if priced the same and around a 50/50 split if they put a $100 or more premium on it.
Everyone and their dog laughed at me when I said that the 5C would be a flop. It WAS a flop.
Perhaps Apple should name it iPhone IIvx now.
Yes, except there is no proof it is a flop. You do not get to claim that until 1) Apple releases numbers, or 2) Apple discontinues the product. This is purely subjective, but I know several people who have them. The Wallstreet Journal is wrong all the time, especially when it comes to Apple. The most recent time was when the Wallstreet Journal claimed Apple and China Mobile had a signed deal that the parties would announce on December 12. China Mobile than denied a deal was yet signed, and no such announcement was made. Further, Apple's stock took a hit after rising because of the false claims.
I never said those breakthroughs were revolutionary in any way. They're evolutionary just like every iteration of the original iPhone is, including every Android phone made since. However analysts did miss these.
Touch ID is better than entering a code every time. It also helps with app purchases. Evolutionary but better than before.
64 bit processor, I'll give you. The benefits are not visible immediately to the end user.
Motion co-processor, depending on apps can be visible to user. Strava, map my run etc. Battery life could also be affected too. So yes user benefits.
But in the end, the point I made was about stuff that analysts totally missed. And as for your little remark about them being better at it than me, well, I don't pretend to be one. They do.
Yes, but you claim to know better than them, so you DO claim to be one of them.
it might not have lived upto Apple's expectations - which infact is very very good thing that has happened for Apple. 5c is pushing people to 5s which is better for Apple. talk about flop being a good thing for a company...
Where have you been? The WSJ is a joke. They are no different than any other "newspaper" making up stuff to sell clicks. From the sound of your comment, you probably are a WSJ employee. When someone says "sources" they are simply hiding the fact they either made up the information of someone inside Apple or a supplier is committing a crime by releasing the information. Apple employees are fired for things like this. You must be a new to all the garbage coming out of places like the WSJ. This is typical of the WSJ and other media sources. Make something up to manipulate the stock market.
As for your derogatory comment about the original posters financial situation, that shows absolutely no class. The amount of money a person makes has nothing to do with their intelligence.
I have no idea what the poster's financial situation is: he might be Mark Zuckerberg. But I am guessing not, since people usually denigrate other people ("Wall street clowns") because they are envious. So, the OP should show some respect to people he does not know, and who are actually pretty good at what they do.
yeah, but some of Apple "traditionnal" way of doing things is getting on my nerves. They way they handle memory on both old and new devices needs to change, $100 for 16g and 8g hardware is just plain stupid with current prices. If they start at 32g, at least you are getting 32 extra gigs for the first upgrade and even that is still too expensive.
They could maybe drop the 1 or 2 colors that sells the less, but the 5c is kind of about colors.
I agree 100%. I was shocked that they didn't go to 32/64/128 last year but I suppose they have their reasons. But I think this will likely be the year that we see that shift and you will only see 16GB on the lowest price iPhone model they sell intended for pre-paid and 3rd world customers. As far as the colors, I might be in the minority but I would actually prefer a plastic iPhone 6 with a larger display and all the newest specs instead of aluminum. I have a case on my 5s but with plastic I would likely be willing to try going without a case since the plastic model is more durable. My problem with the 5c is I don't want last years specs and I also don't like any of the color choices. I would much prefer darker tones in the colors like a British racing green or closer to navy blue for example.
Wrong. Apple's goal was to launch a mid-range model that would maintain its margins on the basis of zero R&D development instead of truly innovating as it has always done.
Worse, it was clearly aimed at emerging markets or even the vast poorer segments of the US; but it has failed spectacularly at this task because, EVEN in developing countries, the price of the 5S was almost the same as that of the 5C (particularly considering that many people buy on instalments in such markets). So why buy CRAP when you can buy better?
Flop, flop, flop. Thankfully, the IIvx of the iPhones is no more.
Come on there was some development cost to the 5C in terms of developing the shell, but I get your point. Apple also wants to preserve margins as well. You, however, have no proof the 5C is not selling well. An unnamed source from the Wallstreet Journal is hardly proof.
I suspect the iPhone 5C is selling fine. More importantly, it is taking up more space on third party shelves and websites. Right now, the iPhone 5C is listed infirst place on T-Mobile's Top Selling phone web page.
I've seen that done more than a few times. Yup, it's a very common tactic for not just forum members but newspaper writers, editorials, blog articles, news reports, scholarly research papers etc.
Even more important for some AI posters tho is attacking the character of the person when you are unable to dispute the facts. That would be called egregious trolling.
I believe "they" is the proper pronoun when referring to "some AI posters". We wouldn't want any misunderstandings
Okay. Here is your evidence. The Pulitzer Prize is the gold standard for determining the journalistic quality of an American news publication. The NY Times has won far more Pulitzers than any other paper. The survey you cite is a mere popularity contest, on the order to the voting one might see on American Idol. The members of the Pulitzer Committee are experts, focused on evaluating the true journalistic excellence of a publication and its reporting.
That is nonsense. The NYT covers a much wider spectrum, so will obviously win more awards, everything else being equal. (The WSJ is not exactly prominent in battlefield photography or food criticism).
Maybe you have big hands? Otherwise, I suspect many people might have a hard time reaching across the whole screen with their thumb.
Nope, I have small hands. Since I haven't conducted any surveys, I don't about "many people", but certainly I have known women who were not in the WNBA and had no problem using their large(isn) screen phones.
If Apple sold a the exact same 5c in a few months for $459 or even $399 would it suddenly become junk because it was priced lower? That makes no sense. You could make the argument that Apple doesn't sell below "X%" margin and that would be far more accurate. Lower price does not equal junk. You can buy a 16GB Nexus 5 for $349 and it is not a junk phone by any means. It is a very nice phone that in many ways is superior to the 5c for a lot less money. Now I realize that Google is selling this phone near cost or even at a loss which is not a game Apple will or should play but you are flat out wrong that cheaper always means junk because it does not. Some of the highest prices items like Beats headphones are the real junk while you can buy far superior headphones at a much lower cost.
These "analysts" are so full of crap it's unbelievable! None of them know jack sh1t but they think for investors to have confidence in them they have to publish something otherwise the investors would realize they totally suck! They have to spew this completely uninformed solid gold crapola only to be proved wrong! However the investors don't look at their history, only that the crapola looks plausible! Fact is nobody knows what Apple is going to do except Apple.
That is why the "analysts" look so freak'n stupid the day after Apples presentations.
That is nonsense. The NYT covers a much wider spectrum, so will obviously win more awards, everything else being equal. (The WSJ is not exactly prominent in battlefield photography or food criticism).
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I was going by history. Not sure they need all five colors and perhaps they'll go with 16GB.
yeah, but some of Apple "traditionnal" way of doing things is getting on my nerves. They way they handle memory on both old and new devices needs to change, $100 for 16g and 8g hardware is just plain stupid with current prices. If they start at 32g, at least you are getting 32 extra gigs for the first upgrade and even that is still too expensive.
They could maybe drop the 1 or 2 colors that sells the less, but the 5c is kind of about colors.
Steve was initially against iPod compatibility with Windows PCs. iPods sales didn't really take off until they worked with Windows computers.
That's not what his statement said... it said that Steve did not want to release the iPod.
F***, man... read.
Apple wants to move to all 64-bit ASAP so regardless of the size of the displays I expect an all 64-bit line up this year.
Change is inevitable and some will embrace it and others will be dragged along kicking and screaming. You may be against a larger iPhone but you have to be blind if you think Apple will not introduce a larger display this year. The margins will likely be better on this phone as well since they will likely charge $100 more for it but the cost to manufacture will be around the same price as a 4" model if not less since there is more room inside the case.
To anyone that claims anything larger than a 4" is too big I doubt you have ever used anything besides an iPhone or you would not say that. Tim Cook and Apple are not stupid and they realize a rather larger percentage of current iPhone customers bought an iPhones in spite of the current 4" display and not because of it. No one can predict how well a larger iPhone will sell vs. the current 4" version until it comes to pass. There is simply no way to gauge the number of people that want to use an iOS phone on a display larger than 4" until one is available to purchase. I can only guess like the rest of you but my prediction is it will be far more popular if priced the same and around a 50/50 split if they put a $100 or more premium on it.
Everyone and their dog laughed at me when I said that the 5C would be a flop. It WAS a flop.
Perhaps Apple should name it iPhone IIvx now.
Yes, except there is no proof it is a flop. You do not get to claim that until 1) Apple releases numbers, or 2) Apple discontinues the product. This is purely subjective, but I know several people who have them. The Wallstreet Journal is wrong all the time, especially when it comes to Apple. The most recent time was when the Wallstreet Journal claimed Apple and China Mobile had a signed deal that the parties would announce on December 12. China Mobile than denied a deal was yet signed, and no such announcement was made. Further, Apple's stock took a hit after rising because of the false claims.
I never said those breakthroughs were revolutionary in any way. They're evolutionary just like every iteration of the original iPhone is, including every Android phone made since. However analysts did miss these.
Touch ID is better than entering a code every time. It also helps with app purchases. Evolutionary but better than before.
64 bit processor, I'll give you. The benefits are not visible immediately to the end user.
Motion co-processor, depending on apps can be visible to user. Strava, map my run etc. Battery life could also be affected too. So yes user benefits.
But in the end, the point I made was about stuff that analysts totally missed. And as for your little remark about them being better at it than me, well, I don't pretend to be one. They do.
Yes, but you claim to know better than them, so you DO claim to be one of them.
it might not have lived upto Apple's expectations - which infact is very very good thing that has happened for Apple. 5c is pushing people to 5s which is better for Apple. talk about flop being a good thing for a company...
Where have you been? The WSJ is a joke. They are no different than any other "newspaper" making up stuff to sell clicks. From the sound of your comment, you probably are a WSJ employee. When someone says "sources" they are simply hiding the fact they either made up the information of someone inside Apple or a supplier is committing a crime by releasing the information. Apple employees are fired for things like this. You must be a new to all the garbage coming out of places like the WSJ. This is typical of the WSJ and other media sources. Make something up to manipulate the stock market.
As for your derogatory comment about the original posters financial situation, that shows absolutely no class. The amount of money a person makes has nothing to do with their intelligence.
I have no idea what the poster's financial situation is: he might be Mark Zuckerberg. But I am guessing not, since people usually denigrate other people ("Wall street clowns") because they are envious. So, the OP should show some respect to people he does not know, and who are actually pretty good at what they do.
"Was" the most respected but we don't talk politics here....
yeah, but some of Apple "traditionnal" way of doing things is getting on my nerves. They way they handle memory on both old and new devices needs to change, $100 for 16g and 8g hardware is just plain stupid with current prices. If they start at 32g, at least you are getting 32 extra gigs for the first upgrade and even that is still too expensive.
They could maybe drop the 1 or 2 colors that sells the less, but the 5c is kind of about colors.
I agree 100%. I was shocked that they didn't go to 32/64/128 last year but I suppose they have their reasons. But I think this will likely be the year that we see that shift and you will only see 16GB on the lowest price iPhone model they sell intended for pre-paid and 3rd world customers. As far as the colors, I might be in the minority but I would actually prefer a plastic iPhone 6 with a larger display and all the newest specs instead of aluminum. I have a case on my 5s but with plastic I would likely be willing to try going without a case since the plastic model is more durable. My problem with the 5c is I don't want last years specs and I also don't like any of the color choices. I would much prefer darker tones in the colors like a British racing green or closer to navy blue for example.
Absolutely.
No one hand use; No sale.
I have an HTC One with a 4.9" (I think) display, and there is absolutely no problem using it with one hand.
Wrong. Apple's goal was to launch a mid-range model that would maintain its margins on the basis of zero R&D development instead of truly innovating as it has always done.
Worse, it was clearly aimed at emerging markets or even the vast poorer segments of the US; but it has failed spectacularly at this task because, EVEN in developing countries, the price of the 5S was almost the same as that of the 5C (particularly considering that many people buy on instalments in such markets). So why buy CRAP when you can buy better?
Flop, flop, flop. Thankfully, the IIvx of the iPhones is no more.
Come on there was some development cost to the 5C in terms of developing the shell, but I get your point. Apple also wants to preserve margins as well. You, however, have no proof the 5C is not selling well. An unnamed source from the Wallstreet Journal is hardly proof.
I suspect the iPhone 5C is selling fine. More importantly, it is taking up more space on third party shelves and websites. Right now, the iPhone 5C is listed in first place on T-Mobile's Top Selling phone web page.
I believe "they" is the proper pronoun when referring to "some AI posters". We wouldn't want any misunderstandings
I have an HTC One with a 4.9" (I think) display, and there is absolutely no problem using it with one hand.
Maybe you have big hands? Otherwise, I suspect many people might have a hard time reaching across the whole screen with their thumb.
Okay. Here is your evidence. The Pulitzer Prize is the gold standard for determining the journalistic quality of an American news publication. The NY Times has won far more Pulitzers than any other paper. The survey you cite is a mere popularity contest, on the order to the voting one might see on American Idol. The members of the Pulitzer Committee are experts, focused on evaluating the true journalistic excellence of a publication and its reporting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pulitzer_Prizes_awarded_to_The_New_York_Times
That is nonsense. The NYT covers a much wider spectrum, so will obviously win more awards, everything else being equal. (The WSJ is not exactly prominent in battlefield photography or food criticism).
Maybe you have big hands? Otherwise, I suspect many people might have a hard time reaching across the whole screen with their thumb.
Nope, I have small hands. Since I haven't conducted any surveys, I don't about "many people", but certainly I have known women who were not in the WNBA and had no problem using their large(isn) screen phones.
This is total and utter horse-sheet.
If Apple comes up with two large screen iPhones including one that is larger than 5 inches AND gets rid of the 5C - I'll leave this site forever.
O, St Steve, please make it happen! I will be good the whole year, I promise!
Apple doesn't sell junk
If Apple sold a the exact same 5c in a few months for $459 or even $399 would it suddenly become junk because it was priced lower? That makes no sense. You could make the argument that Apple doesn't sell below "X%" margin and that would be far more accurate. Lower price does not equal junk. You can buy a 16GB Nexus 5 for $349 and it is not a junk phone by any means. It is a very nice phone that in many ways is superior to the 5c for a lot less money. Now I realize that Google is selling this phone near cost or even at a loss which is not a game Apple will or should play but you are flat out wrong that cheaper always means junk because it does not. Some of the highest prices items like Beats headphones are the real junk while you can buy far superior headphones at a much lower cost.
These "analysts" are so full of crap it's unbelievable! None of them know jack sh1t but they think for investors to have confidence in them they have to publish something otherwise the investors would realize they totally suck! They have to spew this completely uninformed solid gold crapola only to be proved wrong! However the investors don't look at their history, only that the crapola looks plausible! Fact is nobody knows what Apple is going to do except Apple.
That is why the "analysts" look so freak'n stupid the day after Apples presentations.
KRR
Clue deficiency is a terrible thing.
That is nonsense. The NYT covers a much wider spectrum, so will obviously win more awards, everything else being equal. (The WSJ is not exactly prominent in battlefield photography or food criticism).
And to you, I say this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_of_record
There is only one American newspaper of record. It is the New York Times.