Blockchain CEO calls Apple 'gatekeeper to innovation,' says Bitcoin app removal signals payments pus

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  • Reply 61 of 196
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf View Post

     

    All of the major platforms, such as the BSDs, Linux, OS X, and windows, have enabled users to program their own machines. With a basic knowledge of programming, users could write and execute their own code on their computers using freely available tools and official APIs. If you were dissatisfied with a piece of software or wanted some software that was not published for your platform, there was nothing stopping you from rolling up your sleeves, writing, and running your own implementation. Thus, if one regards smartphones as computers, then iOS is practically the only platform where a third party has the final say over what instructions the user can load on his computer.


    You can in fact write any program you want and run on in your iPhone. You need a Mac, then just download Xcode (a free download), write the program, plug your iPhone in to the USB port and install it. It could be a porn or gambling app or anything and Xcode won't stop you. Where the restrictions come in is if you try to distribute the app through the App Store. So basically you can put whatever you want on your own phone, just not everybody else's.

  • Reply 62 of 196
    e1618978e1618978 Posts: 6,075member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    That was then; this is now, yeah?




    Silk Road was shut down in November 2013.



    Total bitcoins mined as of November 2013:  approximately 11,800,000

    Total bit coins mined as of now:  approximately 12,300,000



    https://blockchain.info/charts/total-bitcoins



    Total bitcoins seised from Silk Road in November 2013:   144,336

     

    So, in November 2013, when Silk Road was shut down, Silk Road had 144,336/11,800,000 = 1.2% of all bit coins, not half.



    QED

  • Reply 63 of 196
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    And Apple’s blocking Bitcoin from their… Oh, wait, they’re not, are they?
    They appear to be blocking BitCoin wallet apps, so yes they are.
    Yes. And? Until that says, ‘is’, the point is moot.
    Hardly. The point becomes "is this what Apple is doing"? It doesn't immediately appear so, since Apple doesn't currently have a payments service, but the argument has become more of a theoretical one anyway. If Apple were to develop their own payments solution and also take steps to remove or hobble other payments services then that could viably be called an abuse of position.
  • Reply 64 of 196
    solipsismx wrote: »
    What you're talking about is specifically supporting bitcoin yet you're claim is very, very different. Apps by Intuit, PayPal and Square readily come to mind as a way of making a payment using an iDevice.

    Let me know when Apple starts banning all apps that support payments using legal tender.

    Predictably, he has no come back for that.
    When Apple gives no reason, haters project their deepest conspiracies and beliefs to fill the void.
  • Reply 65 of 196
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post



    I've never heard that Netscape was giving their browser away for free. What was their business model if the browser was free?

    From Netscape’s IPO Documents, 1995:

    "Netscape Communications Corporation provides a comprehensive line of client, server, and integrated applications software for communications and commerce on the Internet and private Internet Protocol (IP) networks. … Designed with enhanced security code, these software products provide the confidentiality required to execute financial transactions and to sell advertisements on the Internet and private IP networks.

     

    ….Incorporating both browser and server functions, the company’s integrated applications software programs are designed to provide enterprises with the capability to manage large-scale commercial sites on the Internet. Such applications enable these enterprises to conduct full-scale electronic commerce through a seamless system."

     

    From an HBS IPO Case written about Netscape:

    "….the majority [of revenues] were generated by one of Netscape’s three server products, Netscape Commerce Server. Revenues from Netscape’s server and integrated applications products were expected to increase as a percentage of overall revenues in the future.

     

    Using the same “give away today and make money tomorrow” strategy that Andreessen’s team had used to popularize Mosaic, by the spring of 1995 Netscape had succeeded in capturing 75% of the Web browser market. Mosaic, under the guise of Spyglass, trailed far behind with 5% of the market. Having set the industry standard, Netscape was poised to make money by selling server software to companies that wanted marketing access to potential consumers."

  • Reply 66 of 196
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    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post



    It was only free for some, noncommercial and educational users, but others had to license it.

    See above.

  • Reply 67 of 196
    I thought Apple was all about groundbreaking innovation.

    Bitcoin is the largest innovation in personal finance since the credit card. It is NOT illegal, and therefore claims that Apple removed it because it's currently not legal are just unjustified.

    As for the claims that it's only used for drugs - less than 5% of bitcoin passed through the Silk Road. Yet nearly all US$100 bills have trace amounts of cocaine on them, HSBC laundered hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars for Mexican drug cartels, and I go buy heroin in any city using untraceable cash.

    The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding - 'nobody is forcing you to have an iPhone, Apple can choose what goes on it.' 10 years ago Microsoft claimed the same defence for packaging IE into their operating system.
  • Reply 68 of 196
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,397moderator
    nanoakron wrote: »
    The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding - 'nobody is forcing you to have an iPhone, Apple can choose what goes on it.' 10 years ago Microsoft claimed the same defence for packaging IE into their operating system.

    The IE thing was about bundling a single app almost everyone with a computer needs to use. This is about rejecting apps very few people use.

    People can say the same with the boob jiggle apps - Apple has no reason to ban them and having a single store means no jiggling.

    What's the expected outcome?
    They either relax the rules and allow more apps into their store, which they are then seen as promoting or they allow users to install apps themselves.

    They already allow users to install apps themselves if they are developers and they allow companies to setup developer servers to distribute their own apps outside of Apple's approval.

    They've decided they don't want to promote boob jiggling and they don't want to promote bitcoin. They haven't said why but it's their choice. They provide alternative options for people who really need these apps.
  • Reply 69 of 196
    Because boob jiggling and potentially competitive personal financial services applications are the same thing right?

    Here's even more hypocrisy - Barclays Pingit, Yoyo, PayPal and others are all allowed apps. But an app which passes ownership of a alternative value token from one holder to another - nope, banned.
  • Reply 70 of 196
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    sog35 wrote: »
    Still have one person owning 1% of any currency is ridiculous.
    Pretty sure I remember reading that John D Rockefeller at his richest was worth 1% of all dollars in print. Might be urban myth.

    No particular point, just a (possibly) interesting (possible) fact.
  • Reply 71 of 196
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    Originally Posted by NanoAkron View Post

    Barclays Pingit, Yoyo, PayPal and others are all allowed apps. 

    Last I looked, they were all dealing with real currencies. Do any of them deal with bitcoins?

  • Reply 72 of 196
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    nanoakron wrote: »
    Because boob jiggling and potentially competitive personal financial services applications are the same thing right?

    Here's even more hypocrisy - Barclays Pingit, Yoyo, PayPal and others are all allowed apps. But an app which passes ownership of a alternative value token from one holder to another - nope, banned.

    It's funny how one of you trolls first claims that "Apple is abusing its market power in an attempt to corner a position in payments." but when it's pointed out that Apple allows multiple payment systems, just not ones that use bitcoin, you come back with an argument that 1) bitcoin is completely legal and accepted currency by the US, and 2) that all these other payment systems using legal tender are somehow engaging in nefarious activities that Apple supports by creating some untraceable, illegal currency.
  • Reply 73 of 196

    Originally Posted by Crowley View Post

    They appear to be blocking BitCoin wallet apps, so yes they are.

     

    Nope. Read it again.

     

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    It's funny how one of you trolls first claims that "Apple is abusing its market power in an attempt to corner a position in payments." but when it's pointed out that Apple allows multiple payment systems, just not ones that use bitcoin, you come back with an argument that 1) bitcoin is completely legal and accepted currency by the US, and 2) that all these other payment systems using legal tender are somehow engaging in nefarious activities that Apple supports by creating some untraceable, illegal currency.

     

    Makes me want to see an XLS pop up. You know, to compliment Major League Soccer and as a throwback to the XFL. Have the game be played on a circular field and have the goalposts constantly moving around the edge of it. Don’t even keep them equidistant; have them right next to each other sometimes. That’d be neat, I think. It’s like that basketball variant, too, where the nets are surrounded by trampolines. That’s the way to go.

  • Reply 74 of 196
    if money laundering is considered legal then Apple should definitely allow these kind of apps.
  • Reply 75 of 196
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    Originally Posted by Crowley View Post





    They appear to be blocking BitCoin wallet apps, so yes they are.

     

    Yes, Apple is blocking BitCoin wallet apps, but they're not stopping anyone from using a web app for any BitCoin activities. 

  • Reply 76 of 196
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Nope. Read it again.
    Oh, ok, left is right and up is down.
    The CEO of Blockchain, which had its Bitcoin wallet app removed from the App Store on Thursday
    Bitcoin wallet alternatives, of which there are none on iOS
  • Reply 77 of 196
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post



    How come no one can get an interview with the creator of bitcoin?

    How come the creator won't reveal is identity?

    Sounds extremely shady to me.



    The only thing that is keeping bit coin alive is rampant greed and the ability to buy illegal goods and services without being tracked



    This article explains that 70% of bitcoins are owned by 100 accounts and that these early adapters can hit a kill switch that will allow these top owners to get their money but everyone else gets nothing. Pathetic. Fraud. Pos. greed. Get this crap out go here

     

     

    Just to address 3 of your points:

     

    Can you interview the inventor of banks or credit cards, cars or even boats? Does that make them less useful?

     

    Heard of overstock.com, scan.co.uk, tigerdirect, Virgin Galactic, Tesla motors? Are they 'selling illegal goods and services without being tracked'?

     

    70 individuals have more money than 50% OF THE REST OF THE WORLD - does that make money less useful?

     

    Bitcoin is open source software (seriously, go to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin) - there are no kill switches, there's no way for 'the owners' to take control of everyone's bitcoins.

     

    Educate yourself about it before you start just making shit up.

  • Reply 78 of 196
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    It's funny how one of you trolls first claims that "Apple is abusing its market power in an attempt to corner a position in payments." but when it's pointed out that Apple allows multiple payment systems, just not ones that use bitcoin, you come back with an argument that 1) bitcoin is completely legal and accepted currency by the US, and 2) that all these other payment systems using legal tender are somehow engaging in nefarious activities that Apple supports by creating some untraceable, illegal currency.

     

    A 'troll' is not someone who just disagrees with you. You are also completely misrepresenting my argument, I believe maliciously.

     

    Bitcoin is not illegal. It is accepted by shops and businesses across the US (see coinmap.org).

     

    These other payment systems are not engaging in 'nefarious activities'. Where did I say this? What I did say is that these are all doing the same as bitcoin apps - enabling electronic transfer of value between individuals and businesses. So why are these allowed when bitcoin apps aren't? 

  • Reply 79 of 196
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    Originally Posted by NanoAkron View Post

     

     

    A 'troll' is not someone who just disagrees with you. You are also completely misrepresenting my argument, I believe maliciously.

     

    Bitcoin is not illegal. It is accepted by shops and businesses across the US (see coinmap.org).

     

    These other payment systems are not engaging in 'nefarious activities'. Where did I say this? What I did say is that these are all doing the same as bitcoin apps - enabling electronic transfer of value between individuals and businesses. So why are these allowed when bitcoin apps aren't? 


    Although soon it will only be accepted at low-bob cigarette shops and other low life sundry's since it will only be on android.

    And we all know how little $$ the droid dorks have.

  • Reply 80 of 196
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    Originally Posted by RogueDogRandy View Post

     

    And we all know how little $$ the droid dorks have. (only as much as their unwed whore mothers give them as allowance)


     

    What a horrible person you must be.

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