How many iPhones did Apple ship outside of the US? Heck, how many in total last year for that matter? How does that number compare to the estimated 430M smartphone displays larger than 4.5" shipped last year?
1) We know the majority of iPhones are sold out the US.
2) Only 430 million phones with displays larger than 4.5" were sold in 2013? That low? How does that compare to Android activations were there in 2013?
How many iPhones did Apple ship outside of the US? Heck, how many in total last year for that matter? How does that number compare to the estimated 430M smartphone displays larger than 4.5" shipped last year?
One thing we learned being Apple developers is that Apple doesn't care what the competition is doing. They don't care.
They didn't care when they had a 4% market share, and they don't care now.
Their goal is to invent & lead, not follow. So, we learned to stop worrying about such stuff & think in different terms.
1) We know the majority of iPhones are sold out the US.
2) Only 430 million phones with displays larger than 4.5" were sold in 2013? That low? How does that compare to Android activations were there in 2013?
At midyear Google was touting 1.5 million per day. So maybe 600-700M? Dunno what they are claiming for 2013 numbers in total as I don't see anywhere they've stated one.
One thing we learned being Apple developers is that Apple doesn't care what the competition is doing. They don't care.
They didn't care when they had a 4% market share, and they don't care now.
Their goal is to invent & lead, not follow. So, we learned to stop worrying about such stuff & think in different terms.
LOL...
Of course Apple cares.
If they didn't care then Apple execs wouldn't try to belittle them IMHO.
If they didn't care they wouldn't be doing internal studies on why people choose an Android phone over the iPhone.
If they didn't care they wouldn't be so aggressive in patenting anything and everything and using those patents against other smartphone manufacturers they consider competitors. Too, if a manufacturer isn't competing with Apple all that much they're probably safe from Apple infringement suits.
How many iPhones did Apple ship outside of the US? Heck, how many in total last year for that matter? How does that number compare to the estimated 430M smartphone displays larger than 4.5" shipped last year?
Apple doesn't really even compete in the sub $200 market. Heck they don't really even compete in the sub $400 market much either. But for phones that sell over $400 there is a clear trend towards larger displays. In fact are there any Android phones selling for more than $400 with a screen smaller than 4.5"? It is also not like all those poor people in the 3rd world want a 3.2" Android either, it is just that is all they can afford. Once larger displays drop in price they will likely disappear completely. The small iPhone was fine when most of what you did was talk and text but once people started spending more time using apps and staring at the display for an extended time that display became an annoyance.
I don't think that there is such a thing as a perfect phone nor will there ever be. Regardless of what you buy you will have to make compromises and sacrifice one feature or another that perhaps another phone offers or does better than the one you chose. Buying a phone is just a matter of adding up all the plusses and minuses and choosing the one with more pluses. For me I thought that Apple quality, iOS, certain iOS only apps, the easy backup and syncing with my Mac all added up to more plusses than minuses when compared to choices which at the time were the Samsung S4 or HTC One. My biggest complaint has been the small screen which makes it far harder to use. I don't regret the decision because I made the right call at that time. But things have changed since then. Kit lat looks very appealing. Apps that I use quite a lot did not offer an Android version at that time or if they did would not allow you to transfer your account to the Android version. This is no longer the case. I could now switch to Android and be able to use all the apps I enjoy now for the very first time. Suddenly the plusses and minuses are pretty much balanced. Don't get me wrong I love Apple and iOS and I couldn't be happier with my iPad. But I will not suffer through another year with a display that makes it far too hard to read fixed type fonts in games and other apps that cannot be zoomed out easily or makes reading websites very tedious since the display shows so little of the page. Luckily for me it seems I will be able to eat my cake and icing since Apple will release a larger display this year. All my other complaints like lack of other keyboard options are minor quibbles I can live with. But the size of the display is non-negotiable for me the next time around. If Apple makes a larger one they will continue to have my business and if not then it is off to an Android phone for me.
You miss my point. I personally will not be buying another iPhone if they do not increase the screen size. Apple will obviously continue to have success. I have a work computer (Macbook Pro) and I have an iPhone. I cannot justify buying an iPad when I feel I should be able to do everything I could do on it on my phone. I want a phone big enough to sit and play games and browse the web and watch videos without having to lug around my work computer or spend even more money on an iPad. Squinting at a 4" screen or constantly having to use two fingers to zoom in and out on every article is annoying as hell.(so much for one handed use) I literally do not use my iPhone unless I absolutely have to, because it's such an annoyance. This is my own personal experience, but I don't think it's unique. I prefer Apple's UI but I want the big screen more than I want a pretty presentation.
I didn't miss a thing. I see people like you here every day. "I love Apple, but ...."
Here's a hint: If you have to qualify something like that, the statement itself is worthless. And honestly, if you're squinting at an iPhone screen, then you need to see an optometrist. I mean, I have 20/10 vision, so maybe I'm not a perfect example. But still, you really need help if you can't see what's on an iPhone screen.
LOL...
Of course Apple cares.
If they didn't care then Apple execs wouldn't try to belittle them IMHO.
If they didn't care they wouldn't be doing internal studies on why people choose an Android phone over the iPhone.
If they didn't care they wouldn't be so aggressive in patenting anything and everything and using those patents against other smartphone manufacturers they consider competitors. Too, if a manufacturer isn't competing with Apple all that much they're probably safe from Apple infringement suits.
You have a copy of these internal studies? The only time Apple is "worried" about others is when they infringe on Apple's IP.
At midyear Google was touting 1.5 million per day. So maybe 600-700M? Dunno what they are claiming for 2013 numbers in total as I don't see anywhere they've stated one.
430 million of 600-700 million Android-based devices being over 4.5" seems extremely high to me. I could see if 70% of higher-end Android-based devices are 4.5" but not all devices using Android.
430 million of 600-700 million Android-based devices being over 4.5" seems extremely high to me. I could see if 70% of higher-end Android-based devices are 4.5" but not all devices using Android.
That est. 430M didn't claim to be only Android phones. There would have been a few million Nokia's as well as no-name chinese phones among others. In any event 430M 4.5" plus smartphone display's is pretty significant.
That est. 430M didn't claim to be only Android phones. There would have been a few million Nokia's as well as no-name chinese phones among others. In any event 430M 4.5" plus smartphone display's is pretty significant.
Yes it is and how many current iPhone owners would choose a larger iPhone if that were an option. Not to mention people that already defected to Android or won't consider an iPhone now because it is too small. I am guessing a very sizable number assuming Apple doesn't price it far more expensive which is a strong possibility. A 4" iPhone would likely sell in far lower numbers than a 4.8" iPhone if they had the same specs and price.
That est. 430M didn't claim to be only Android phones. There would have been a few million Nokia's as well as no-name chinese phones among others. In any event 430M 4.5" plus smartphone display's is pretty significant.
Anecdotally it doesn't seem like the majority of devices classified as cellphones are 4.5" or greater. As I stated earlier I think the culture has changed and I think technology finally allows for larger displays without having a significantly larger device so I think it's highly likely Apple will release a larger 16:9 iPhone, but so far the only 4.5" devices seem to be the higher-end non-Apple smartphones which don't appear to come close to being the majority of units being sold.
If they didn't care then Apple execs wouldn't try to belittle them IMHO.
Of course they don't. We sat around a conference room table stunned when they told us POINT BLANK they didn't care. We wanted to build a product, and they wouldn't allow us to interface, and our engineer said "So-and-so's doing this with blankety-blank phones, and we want to offer it, too." Whereupon the Apple manager told us, "We don't care what the competition is doing. This is how it's going to be."
your premise doesn't allow for any testing that can be verified to support your position.
How about this then:
I skipped the 4S, the 5, and the 5S because I keep waiting for an iPhone with a bigger screen. I won't pay $900 for something that isn't what I want.
So, if I finally buy a new iPhone this fall, you will have verifiable evidence that the larger screen is more desirable than the smaller one, that the existence of the larger screen has increased sales (by one), and that buyer is flocking in drove to the new form factor.
Of course they don't. We sat around a conference room table stunned when they told us POINT BLANK they didn't care. We wanted to build a product, and they wouldn't allow us to interface, and our engineer said "So-and-so's doing this with blankety-blank phones, and we want to offer it, too." Whereupon the Apple manager told us, "We don't care what the competition is doing. This is how it's going to be."
Oh, well since a manager once said it ta few years ago that pretty much seals it then. Must be a rogue group that did (does) the market research.
And honestly, if you're squinting at an iPhone screen, then you need to see an optometrist. I mean, I have 20/10 vision, so maybe I'm not a perfect example. But still, you really need help if you can't see what's on an iPhone screen.
Set that post aside and read it again when you're 50. If you can. By then the type might be too small!
Aside from age really beating the hell out of one's eyesight, the issue isn't so much that the screen is illegible, it's that it's awkward and inconvenient. That was completely acceptable in the early days of the smartphone because we were just amazed that a pocket device could access a web page AT ALL! Now that pocket devices are often functioning as computer substitutes, we want a better experience. Thanks to companies like Samsung and HTC we know that we can trade pocket space for reduced scrolling and zooming. THAT is what many of us are saying we want.
Of course I CAN visit a web site with my iPhone 4, but it sure is a lot less annoying on my daughter's Samsung with the big screen, and to me it doesn't seem any more daunting to handle and carry than the iPhone.
Of course they don't. We sat around a conference room table stunned when they told us POINT BLANK they didn't care. We wanted to build a product, and they wouldn't allow us to interface, and our engineer said "So-and-so's doing this with blankety-blank phones, and we want to offer it, too." Whereupon the Apple manager told us, "We don't care what the competition is doing. This is how it's going to be."
Sure they care, even if it's to learn what not to do.
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1) We know the majority of iPhones are sold out the US.
2) Only 430 million phones with displays larger than 4.5" were sold in 2013? That low? How does that compare to Android activations were there in 2013?
How many iPhones did Apple ship outside of the US? Heck, how many in total last year for that matter? How does that number compare to the estimated 430M smartphone displays larger than 4.5" shipped last year?
One thing we learned being Apple developers is that Apple doesn't care what the competition is doing. They don't care.
They didn't care when they had a 4% market share, and they don't care now.
Their goal is to invent & lead, not follow. So, we learned to stop worrying about such stuff & think in different terms.
At midyear Google was touting 1.5 million per day. So maybe 600-700M? Dunno what they are claiming for 2013 numbers in total as I don't see anywhere they've stated one.
LOL...
Of course Apple cares.
If they didn't care then Apple execs wouldn't try to belittle them IMHO.
If they didn't care they wouldn't be doing internal studies on why people choose an Android phone over the iPhone.
If they didn't care they wouldn't be so aggressive in patenting anything and everything and using those patents against other smartphone manufacturers they consider competitors. Too, if a manufacturer isn't competing with Apple all that much they're probably safe from Apple infringement suits.
How many iPhones did Apple ship outside of the US? Heck, how many in total last year for that matter? How does that number compare to the estimated 430M smartphone displays larger than 4.5" shipped last year?
Apple doesn't really even compete in the sub $200 market. Heck they don't really even compete in the sub $400 market much either. But for phones that sell over $400 there is a clear trend towards larger displays. In fact are there any Android phones selling for more than $400 with a screen smaller than 4.5"? It is also not like all those poor people in the 3rd world want a 3.2" Android either, it is just that is all they can afford. Once larger displays drop in price they will likely disappear completely. The small iPhone was fine when most of what you did was talk and text but once people started spending more time using apps and staring at the display for an extended time that display became an annoyance.
I don't think that there is such a thing as a perfect phone nor will there ever be. Regardless of what you buy you will have to make compromises and sacrifice one feature or another that perhaps another phone offers or does better than the one you chose. Buying a phone is just a matter of adding up all the plusses and minuses and choosing the one with more pluses. For me I thought that Apple quality, iOS, certain iOS only apps, the easy backup and syncing with my Mac all added up to more plusses than minuses when compared to choices which at the time were the Samsung S4 or HTC One. My biggest complaint has been the small screen which makes it far harder to use. I don't regret the decision because I made the right call at that time. But things have changed since then. Kit lat looks very appealing. Apps that I use quite a lot did not offer an Android version at that time or if they did would not allow you to transfer your account to the Android version. This is no longer the case. I could now switch to Android and be able to use all the apps I enjoy now for the very first time. Suddenly the plusses and minuses are pretty much balanced. Don't get me wrong I love Apple and iOS and I couldn't be happier with my iPad. But I will not suffer through another year with a display that makes it far too hard to read fixed type fonts in games and other apps that cannot be zoomed out easily or makes reading websites very tedious since the display shows so little of the page. Luckily for me it seems I will be able to eat my cake and icing since Apple will release a larger display this year. All my other complaints like lack of other keyboard options are minor quibbles I can live with. But the size of the display is non-negotiable for me the next time around. If Apple makes a larger one they will continue to have my business and if not then it is off to an Android phone for me.
You miss my point. I personally will not be buying another iPhone if they do not increase the screen size. Apple will obviously continue to have success. I have a work computer (Macbook Pro) and I have an iPhone. I cannot justify buying an iPad when I feel I should be able to do everything I could do on it on my phone. I want a phone big enough to sit and play games and browse the web and watch videos without having to lug around my work computer or spend even more money on an iPad. Squinting at a 4" screen or constantly having to use two fingers to zoom in and out on every article is annoying as hell.(so much for one handed use) I literally do not use my iPhone unless I absolutely have to, because it's such an annoyance. This is my own personal experience, but I don't think it's unique. I prefer Apple's UI but I want the big screen more than I want a pretty presentation.
I didn't miss a thing. I see people like you here every day. "I love Apple, but ...."
Here's a hint: If you have to qualify something like that, the statement itself is worthless. And honestly, if you're squinting at an iPhone screen, then you need to see an optometrist. I mean, I have 20/10 vision, so maybe I'm not a perfect example. But still, you really need help if you can't see what's on an iPhone screen.
You have a copy of these internal studies? The only time Apple is "worried" about others is when they infringe on Apple's IP.
Well of course I do. Just because they don't advertise it doesn't mean they don't do 'em.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57492264-37/apple-study-android-buyers-wanted-to-stand-by-their-carrier/
430 million of 600-700 million Android-based devices being over 4.5" seems extremely high to me. I could see if 70% of higher-end Android-based devices are 4.5" but not all devices using Android.
That est. 430M didn't claim to be only Android phones. There would have been a few million Nokia's as well as no-name chinese phones among others. In any event 430M 4.5" plus smartphone display's is pretty significant.
That est. 430M didn't claim to be only Android phones. There would have been a few million Nokia's as well as no-name chinese phones among others. In any event 430M 4.5" plus smartphone display's is pretty significant.
Yes it is and how many current iPhone owners would choose a larger iPhone if that were an option. Not to mention people that already defected to Android or won't consider an iPhone now because it is too small. I am guessing a very sizable number assuming Apple doesn't price it far more expensive which is a strong possibility. A 4" iPhone would likely sell in far lower numbers than a 4.8" iPhone if they had the same specs and price.
Anecdotally it doesn't seem like the majority of devices classified as cellphones are 4.5" or greater. As I stated earlier I think the culture has changed and I think technology finally allows for larger displays without having a significantly larger device so I think it's highly likely Apple will release a larger 16:9 iPhone, but so far the only 4.5" devices seem to be the higher-end non-Apple smartphones which don't appear to come close to being the majority of units being sold.
LOL...
Of course Apple cares.
If they didn't care then Apple execs wouldn't try to belittle them IMHO.
Of course they don't. We sat around a conference room table stunned when they told us POINT BLANK they didn't care. We wanted to build a product, and they wouldn't allow us to interface, and our engineer said "So-and-so's doing this with blankety-blank phones, and we want to offer it, too." Whereupon the Apple manager told us, "We don't care what the competition is doing. This is how it's going to be."
your premise doesn't allow for any testing that can be verified to support your position.
How about this then:
I skipped the 4S, the 5, and the 5S because I keep waiting for an iPhone with a bigger screen. I won't pay $900 for something that isn't what I want.
So, if I finally buy a new iPhone this fall, you will have verifiable evidence that the larger screen is more desirable than the smaller one, that the existence of the larger screen has increased sales (by one), and that buyer is flocking in drove to the new form factor.
…if I finally buy a new iPhone this fall, you will have verifiable evidence that the larger screen is more desirable than the smaller one…
Now that’s just funny because of the tense; I love doing that.
Oh, well since a manager once said it ta few years ago that pretty much seals it then. Must be a rogue group that did (does) the market research.
Set that post aside and read it again when you're 50. If you can. By then the type might be too small!
Aside from age really beating the hell out of one's eyesight, the issue isn't so much that the screen is illegible, it's that it's awkward and inconvenient. That was completely acceptable in the early days of the smartphone because we were just amazed that a pocket device could access a web page AT ALL! Now that pocket devices are often functioning as computer substitutes, we want a better experience. Thanks to companies like Samsung and HTC we know that we can trade pocket space for reduced scrolling and zooming. THAT is what many of us are saying we want.
Of course I CAN visit a web site with my iPhone 4, but it sure is a lot less annoying on my daughter's Samsung with the big screen, and to me it doesn't seem any more daunting to handle and carry than the iPhone.
…if I finally buy a new iPhone this fall, you will have verifiable evidence that the larger screen is more desirable than the smaller one…
Now that’s just funny because of the tense; I love doing that.
It's all true! It proves that the bigger phone is more desirable. To me. Because there will be a sale to me where there wasn't one before!
Availability of a larger model will also demonstrably and verifiably increase sales. By one. To me.
See?
Sure they care, even if it's to learn what not to do.
Availability of a larger model will also demonstrably and verifiably increase sales. By one. To me.
But that can’t matter until we factor in the verifiable decrease in sales and see if they don’t even out.