Rumor: Google pressured Asus to cancel Android/Windows dual-boot devices

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  • Reply 61 of 130
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    You're assuming Digitimes is spot on then.

     

    Even a stopped clock is right two times a day.

  • Reply 62 of 130
    snovasnova Posts: 1,281member
    genovelle wrote: »
    Actually long before Android existed apple resale shops offered a daughter card that Apple supplied drivers for that ran windows. I remember being shown this expensive feature.

    I bought a Mac 6100 directly from Apple with that (Apple-manufactured) card already installed.
    No wonder Apple almost went bankrupt. Good for them Steve came back and smacked people up side the head and focus on innovating to Apple's exclusive benefit instead of following the breadcrumbs left behind someone else's wake.
  • Reply 63 of 130
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,480member
    I bought a Mac 6100 directly from Apple with that (Apple-manufactured) card already installed.
    So I'm not crazy! Thanks. I Great, now can cancel that appointment with the psychiatrist.lol
  • Reply 64 of 130
    gumbigumbi Posts: 148member
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    You can change the default search provider on Android phones to Bing if you'd like. There have even been Samsung phones with Bing set as the factory default. In fact I'm pretty sure you can replace nearly all Google services with your own preferred provider if you choose to. Google doesn't prevent it anymore than Apple does AFAIK.



    EDIT: Thanks for that BeOS mention. Hadn't been aware of it. image Not exactly the same thing as far as I can tell since Microsoft was being accused of not allowing competing OS's to be installed on any device if that manufacturer had a discount agreement with MS. ASUS obviously ships Windows-based devices too so if Google is trying to prevent it they're not very effective.

    Huh?  The story is that Google is pressuring Asus - one of their OEM's - from creating dual boot devices.  I believe it was Fujitsu that was planning on selling dual boot BeOS and Windows PC's - and MS pressured them into not doing so, using there dominate market position, which ultimately led to the demise of BeOS (or so was the claim).  It was evidence in their anti-trust case.

     

    Google has a dominate market position.  They are now using that to pressure at least one OEM (if the story is even true) into not allowing a competitors OS on the same device.  Same situation, same rules should apply. 

  • Reply 65 of 130
    gumbigumbi Posts: 148member
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    Originally Posted by Crowley View Post

     

    I imagine he's referring to when Be sued Microsoft.  That action got settled out of court.

     

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/20/be_inc_sues_microsoft/

     

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Microsoft+Pays+$23m+to+Settle+BeOS+Antitrust+Suit.-a0107384535




    Yes, the Be, Inc. suit was settled out of court.  But, if memory serves the incident was used in Microsoft's anti-trust trial as evidence.

  • Reply 66 of 130
    lurepelurepe Posts: 6member
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    Originally Posted by AppleTechSpot View Post



    Sure Google is working to its own self interest. Just shows that Steve Jobs was right though when he said that Google was being a bit disingenuous for attacking iOS as being "closed" and championing Android as "open". Google is full of a bunch of meaningless rhetoric or it wouldn't be afraid of letting Chrome compete with Windows on these dual boot devices (that is clearly the alternative that Google would prefer). I guess when it is protecting its turf against competition it's not stifling innovation.



    Google is trying to leverage Android into making Chrome a player on the desktop much to its frustration as much as it is trying to block Windows on mobile.



    Good point about "stifling innovation."  Google isn't interested in crediting or allowing innovation unless it benefits Google.

  • Reply 67 of 130
    snovasnova Posts: 1,281member
    gumbi wrote: »

    Google has a dominate market position.  They are now using that to pressure at least one OEM (if the story is even true) into not allowing a competitors OS on the same device.  Same situation, same rules should apply. 
    While one could agree that Google has a dominate market position, that position is not in the Intel based laptop market. This story makes no sense, unless ASUS is willing to bleed money on this line of laptop from unsold inventory. They would be better off pulling it completely, because it simply is uncompetitive with other laptops which are almost as expensive but are pre-integrated to run Windows.

    If I was in product marketing in this market, which I am not, it would seem to me the first question that needs answering is.

    #1 Who is going to be our customer for this product?

    Choices are:

    A. People who don't need or want Windows but still want a slim laptop.
    B. People who need to run Windows apps and want a slim laptop
    C. We have no idea, throw a net and hope for both.

    You then pick components which meet your requirements. For example, for Windows app you are gonna need Intel HW. This is more expensive than ARM HW, but you must pick it if you want to run Windows apps well. So you can see right away, you are not gonna compete purely on price against ARM based laptops. Right? People who would buy your more expensive product, NEED to run Windows Apps and are willing to pay for it. Other than Linux fans, who will just scrub both Windows and ChromeOS from an Intel based laptop, just who does ASUS think they are going to sell a more expensive slim Intel based ChromeOS laptop to when their competitors are offering cheaper ARM based ChromeOS laptops or similarly priced slip laptop which already can pre-integrated with Windows?

    Someone please explain this to me, because it makes zero sense to me and as a result this story smells like horse shit. If it is a laptop, has intel HW inside and is not pre-integrated with Windows, I think you are best to pull the plug on it as it will be DOA. (unless you are Apple, of course). It most likely that anyone who is looking to buy a ChromeOS slim laptop and isn't interested be scrubing ChromeOS as soon as they buy it, does NOT need the added expensive of Intel HW. As far as I can tell, ChromeOS runs just fine on cheaper ARM HW and has better battery life as a bonus.
  • Reply 68 of 130
    gumbigumbi Posts: 148member
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    Originally Posted by snova View Post





    While one could agree that Google has a dominate market position, that position not in the Intel based laptop market. This story makes no sense, unless ASUS is willing to bleed money on this line of laptop from unsold inventory. They would be better off pulling it completely, because it simply is uncompetitive with other laptops which are almost as expensive but are pre-integrated to run Windows.



    If I was in product marketing in this market, which I am not, it would seem to me the first question that needs answering is.



    #1 Who is going to be our customer for this product?



    Choices are:



    A. People who don't need or want Windows but still want a slim laptop.

    B. People who need to run Windows apps and want a slim laptop

    C. We have no idea, throw a net and hope for both.



    You then pick components which meet your requirements. For example, for Windows app you are gonna need Intel HW. This is more expensive than ARM HW, but you must pick it if you want to run Windows apps well. So you can see right away, you are not gonna compete purely on price against ARM based laptops. Right? People who would buy your more expensive product, NEED to run Windows Apps and are willing to pay for it. Other than Linux fans, who will just scrub both Windows and ChromeOS from an Intel based laptop, just who does ASUS think they are going to sell a more expensive slim Intel based ChromeOS laptop to when their competitors are offering cheaper ARM based ChromeOS laptops or similarly priced slip laptop which already can pre-integrated with Windows?



    Someone please explain this to me, because it makes zero sense to me and as a result this story smells like horse shit. If it is a laptop, has intel HW inside and is not pre-integrated with Windows, I think you are best to pull the plug on it as it will be DOA. (unless you are Apple, of course). Anyone is looking to buy a ChromeOS slim laptop and won't be scrubing ChromeOS as soon as they buy it, does NOT the added expensive of Intel HW.



    This is not a laptop - it's a tablet.  Or more correctly, a Transformer Tablet - it has a keyboard dock.  This is actually a fairly successful line of tablets for ASUS, that normally run Android - though they have a couple of Windows 8 versions already.  This is a new Intel based entry to the line that will dual boot Android and Windows.  Google has a dominate position in mobile devices - they are using this position to stifle a competitor. 

  • Reply 69 of 130
    snovasnova Posts: 1,281member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gumbi View Post

     
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by snova View Post





    While one could agree that Google has a dominate market position, that position not in the Intel based laptop market. This story makes no sense, unless ASUS is willing to bleed money on this line of laptop from unsold inventory. They would be better off pulling it completely, because it simply is uncompetitive with other laptops which are almost as expensive but are pre-integrated to run Windows.



    If I was in product marketing in this market, which I am not, it would seem to me the first question that needs answering is.



    #1 Who is going to be our customer for this product?



    Choices are:



    A. People who don't need or want Windows but still want a slim laptop.

    B. People who need to run Windows apps and want a slim laptop

    C. We have no idea, throw a net and hope for both.



    You then pick components which meet your requirements. For example, for Windows app you are gonna need Intel HW. This is more expensive than ARM HW, but you must pick it if you want to run Windows apps well. So you can see right away, you are not gonna compete purely on price against ARM based laptops. Right? People who would buy your more expensive product, NEED to run Windows Apps and are willing to pay for it. Other than Linux fans, who will just scrub both Windows and ChromeOS from an Intel based laptop, just who does ASUS think they are going to sell a more expensive slim Intel based ChromeOS laptop to when their competitors are offering cheaper ARM based ChromeOS laptops or similarly priced slip laptop which already can pre-integrated with Windows?



    Someone please explain this to me, because it makes zero sense to me and as a result this story smells like horse shit. If it is a laptop, has intel HW inside and is not pre-integrated with Windows, I think you are best to pull the plug on it as it will be DOA. (unless you are Apple, of course). Anyone is looking to buy a ChromeOS slim laptop and won't be scrubing ChromeOS as soon as they buy it, does NOT the added expensive of Intel HW.



    This is not a laptop - it's a tablet.  Or more correctly, a Transformer Tablet - it has a keyboard dock.  This is actually a fairly successful line of tablets for ASUS, that normally run Android - though they have a couple of Windows 8 versions already.  This is a new Intel based entry to the line that will dual boot Android and Windows.  Google has a dominate position in mobile devices - they are using this position to stifle a competitor. 


    ah... tablet with keyboard running Android , not ChromeOS.  got it.   my bad.  Why not, it worked so well for Windows 8.  So I stand corrected. does it make a difference from choosing more expensive Intel HW vs ARM to run ChromeOS or Android?  

  • Reply 70 of 130
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,095member
    gumbi wrote: »

      Google has a dominate position in mobile devices - they are using this position to stifle a competitor. 

    Based on what? A rumor? From Digitimes??

    The same folks who claimed yesterday that there's millions of iPhone 5C's sitting in Pegatron warehouses that nobody wants with another million collecting dust in resellers' stockrooms. That Digitimes?

    There might really be some bit of truth in there somewhere, or maybe none at all, but claiming guilt based on only a Digitimes rumor seems a bit hasty to most folks here going by past comments. Maybe Asus will have something to say soon.
  • Reply 71 of 130
    droidftwdroidftw Posts: 1,009member
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    Based on what? A rumor? From Digitimes??



    The same folks who claimed yesterday that there's millions of iPhone 5C's sitting in Pegatron warehouses that nobody wants with another million collecting dust in resellers' stockroom

     

    Obviously the iPhone story is all lies (and was probably a story that Samsung Shamescum paid them to run), but this one is certainly true.  ;) 

  • Reply 72 of 130
    snovasnova Posts: 1,281member
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    Based on what? A rumor? From Digitimes??



    The same folks who claimed yesterday that there's millions of iPhone 5C's sitting in Pegatron warehouses that nobody wants with another million collecting dust in resellers' stockroom

     

    Obviously the iPhone story is all lies (and was probably a story that Samsung Shamescum paid them to run), but this one is certainly true.  ;) 


    DroidFTW and Gatorguy,

     

    I gonna go out on a limb here and assume you have no issues buying Android tablets.  Would you buy this Intel based Android product w/ keyboard vs the other ARM based Android tablets offering which don't come with keyboard?  If you did, would your motivation be based on the fact it has Intel HW inside and/or includes a keyboard?  My assumption is it will be priced higher than ARM based tablets which don't come with keyboards.

  • Reply 73 of 130
    droidftwdroidftw Posts: 1,009member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snova View Post

     

    DroidFTW and Gatorguy,

     

    I gonna go out on a limb here and assume you have no issues buying Android tablets.  Would you buy this Intel based Android product w/ keyboard vs the other ARM based Android tablets offering which don't come with keyboard?  If you did, would your motivation be based on the fact it has Intel HW inside and/or includes a keyboard?  My assumption is it will be priced higher than ARM based tablets which don't come with keyboards.


     

    I like to consider all options (Android, iOS, and even Windows) before making a decision.  As it stands, there isn't enough information about this rumored product to make any sort of informed choice.

  • Reply 74 of 130
    snovasnova Posts: 1,281member

    I guess the story COULD be true. After all, it was ASUS product marketing who came up with this brilliant product. I guess I should not be too surprised with what is possible coming out of ASUS product marketing heads:

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqjoRMHyYQc

  • Reply 75 of 130
    snovasnova Posts: 1,281member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DroidFTW View Post

     
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by snova View Post

     

    DroidFTW and Gatorguy,

     

    I gonna go out on a limb here and assume you have no issues buying Android tablets.  Would you buy this Intel based Android product w/ keyboard vs the other ARM based Android tablets offering which don't come with keyboard?  If you did, would your motivation be based on the fact it has Intel HW inside and/or includes a keyboard?  My assumption is it will be priced higher than ARM based tablets which don't come with keyboards.


     

    I like to consider all options (Android, iOS, and even Windows) before making a decision.  As it stands, there isn't enough information about this rumored product to make any sort of informed choice.


    I'll take that as "I have not considered the need for a Android tablet with x86 CPU and keyboard yet" thus "I have no opinion". fair?

    btw, It was a bit odd and necessary to go off on a tangent and comment on how you make your Windows or iOS decisions as this question was specifically about this Android product.  I was not looking for a politically correct answer, just an honest one which allows for your opinion.  I'm frankly surprised that you did not wish to give your opinion based on your willingness to do so in the past.

  • Reply 76 of 130
    droidftwdroidftw Posts: 1,009member
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    Originally Posted by snova View Post

     

    I'll take that as "I have not considered the need for a Android tablet with x86 CPU and keyboard yet" thus "I have no opinion". fair?

    btw, It was a bit odd and necessary to go off on a tangent and comment on how you make your Windows or iOS decisions as this question was specifically about this Android product.  I was not looking for a political answer. Just a straight one. 


     

    There are more factors in purchasing a tablet then cpu architecture and whether or not it has an attachable keyboard.  I have no opinion on the scenario you're creating as it doesn't contain all the facts.  Fair?



    BTW, you thought that was a tangent?  <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 77 of 130
    snovasnova Posts: 1,281member
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    BTW, you thought that was a tangent?  <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />


    no offense, but yes I did.  It was odd.

  • Reply 78 of 130
    gumbigumbi Posts: 148member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    Based on what? A rumor? From Digitimes??



    The same folks who claimed yesterday that there's millions of iPhone 5C's sitting in Pegatron warehouses that nobody wants with another million collecting dust in resellers' stockrooms. That Digitimes?



    There might really be some bit of truth in there somewhere, or maybe none at all, but claiming guilt based on only a Digitimes rumor seems a bit hasty to most folks here going by past comments. Maybe Asus will have something to say soon.



    I should have added - if the story is true.  Believe me - I am not saying it is true considering the source.  But, if it is true - Google is the new MS of the 1990's.

  • Reply 79 of 130
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    snova wrote: »
    no offense, but yes I did.  It was odd.

    Now this is a tan-gent. :lol:
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  • Reply 80 of 130
    droidftwdroidftw Posts: 1,009member

    Now this is a tangent.  :)

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