<strong>And 4Mb DDR Level3 Cache?!? Well reports of the performance of the latest dual gig quicksilver were better than expected due in part to a 2Mb L3 cache, so that sounds tasty too!
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, the text on MacCentral just says "4MB", not "4MB each", so it might just sport the same 2MB per processor found on current G4s.
<strong>I'm stuck on Cumulus Demo. Anyone else?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am on one machine the other is OK...
From MacCentral
What do customers want? They wanted 7 things:
? They want products to work. Apple spends a lot of time testing products for reliability, and dual-platform customers say the Mac is better than their PCs in this regard.
? They want really expert technical support. When they have a problem, they don't want to get on the phone with someone who's just been trained for three weeks. Consumer Reports tech support survey results: IBM 61, Compaq 62, HP 62, Gateway 71, Dell 72, Apple 73. And the very best when it came to support staff, and in limiting wait times.
? They want problems solved, not a lot of finger-pointing. Hardware company refers you to software company, software company refers you to hardware company. Apple is fundamentally different, because we're designing the entire solution, hardware and software.
? They want access to us, not 8-5, not banker's hours, but every minute, every day, all year long. As it turns out, we do this today at Apple for some of our customers, so we have experience here.
? A group of them wanted to be self-sufficient, particularly in the hardware area. Xserve is simple and fast for servicing -- pull it out, replace parts.
? A group of them said they wanted on-site support and don't want to touch anything. And we also do this today, for a group of customers, so we feel pretty good in this space.
? They wanted speed. Really, really fast. In fact, the group that didn't want to touch anything wanted four-hour on-site support. We don't do this today. We've majored in learning how to do this in the past several months. And today, we're ready to do this. And for users who want to do this, we're providing them with a spare parts kit, so they can change stuff out themselves.
Server support is really hard... Applications running on servers are mission-critical. There is a lack of hardware-software integration on most servers, said Cook.
Now, Steve introduces Tim Cook, executive vice president of Apple support and sales.
I'm starting to like that rack bitch, I really do.
Now how could I justify buying one of these, given it wouldn't replace my desktops, and I don't need a server really....
Hm
On the server age thing: about one and a half years ago I disassembled a 19" rackmount server with plenty of stuff in it, that dated back to 1994 and the newest machine was a P200MMX in there, single CPU...
Still that rack, with 4 CPUs, about 8 SCSI harddisks and a few hubs and a 10/100 switch cost around 80K $ back then...
What matters is what you get for the price and how long it's going to last, not 200MHz more or less, that's important in the desktop sector maybe.
Also that saves us all those nice 1.2 and 1.4GHz chips for July.
[quote] Apple today also previewed its new high-performance RAID storage product featuring industry standard 2Gb Fiber Channel, which will be introduced later this year.
[quote] Apple today also previewed its new high-performance RAID storage product featuring industry standard 2Gb Fiber Channel, which will be introduced later this year.<hr></blockquote>
they want cheaper powermacs... but this is a good start at least on the dream of speed competitive powermacs.
When can I get my dual 4MB L3 Ghz+ DDR powermac with 64bit/66mhz (512MB/s throughput!) When?
On a lighter note, I would like to take this time out to congradulate myself for nailing the design config -- slide out drawer baby!!!
Also, why no ATA133? Still this is pretty good. All the ATA sucks people should realize that those are 4 independent ATA channels in there. Some softRAIDing should be able to stripe them into one massive 400MB/s volume or even two 200MB/s volumes.
This could be a nice thing to have on the desk of a video editing pro!
<strong>From press release - Oracle to run on Xservers... :-)
"Apple's powerful new Xserve rack-mount workgroup server solution combined with Apple's UNIX-based Mac OS X Server software is a superior platform for Oracle9i Database," said Michael Rocha, senior vice president, Product Services and Platform Technologies, Oracle Corp. "Oracle's leading database clustering technology, Oracle9i Real Application Clusters, running on Xserve will deliver enterprise-class solutions to our joint customers and create new opportunities for both companies."</strong><hr></blockquote>
Okay, you're joking around, right? I mean, this would rock, but there's no way in hell, right?
<strong>Another note: Is it 4MB total or for each processor? because the 7455 only supports 2MB of L3 cache. If the XServer has 4MB per processor then this is a whole new breed of G4.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It must be a new processor since DDR DRAM doesn't make sense on the old CPU's (with the 133Mhz MPX bus). I think that The Register was right for once with <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/24018.html"; target="_blank">the story</a> about the 7470 that uses a 266mhz MPX+ bus. They were right about the 4MB cache too. I think we'll see a DDR PowerMac very soon...
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<strong>And 4Mb DDR Level3 Cache?!? Well reports of the performance of the latest dual gig quicksilver were better than expected due in part to a 2Mb L3 cache, so that sounds tasty too!
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, the text on MacCentral just says "4MB", not "4MB each", so it might just sport the same 2MB per processor found on current G4s.
Bye,
RazzFazz
<strong>Kickaha:
<a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001669"; target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001669</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;
Thanks. (Blast.)
<strong>I'm stuck on Cumulus Demo. Anyone else?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am on one machine the other is OK...
From MacCentral
What do customers want? They wanted 7 things:
? They want products to work. Apple spends a lot of time testing products for reliability, and dual-platform customers say the Mac is better than their PCs in this regard.
? They want really expert technical support. When they have a problem, they don't want to get on the phone with someone who's just been trained for three weeks. Consumer Reports tech support survey results: IBM 61, Compaq 62, HP 62, Gateway 71, Dell 72, Apple 73. And the very best when it came to support staff, and in limiting wait times.
? They want problems solved, not a lot of finger-pointing. Hardware company refers you to software company, software company refers you to hardware company. Apple is fundamentally different, because we're designing the entire solution, hardware and software.
? They want access to us, not 8-5, not banker's hours, but every minute, every day, all year long. As it turns out, we do this today at Apple for some of our customers, so we have experience here.
? A group of them wanted to be self-sufficient, particularly in the hardware area. Xserve is simple and fast for servicing -- pull it out, replace parts.
? A group of them said they wanted on-site support and don't want to touch anything. And we also do this today, for a group of customers, so we feel pretty good in this space.
? They wanted speed. Really, really fast. In fact, the group that didn't want to touch anything wanted four-hour on-site support. We don't do this today. We've majored in learning how to do this in the past several months. And today, we're ready to do this. And for users who want to do this, we're providing them with a spare parts kit, so they can change stuff out themselves.
Server support is really hard... Applications running on servers are mission-critical. There is a lack of hardware-software integration on most servers, said Cook.
Now, Steve introduces Tim Cook, executive vice president of Apple support and sales.
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Now how could I justify buying one of these, given it wouldn't replace my desktops, and I don't need a server really....
Hm
On the server age thing: about one and a half years ago I disassembled a 19" rackmount server with plenty of stuff in it, that dated back to 1994 and the newest machine was a P200MMX in there, single CPU...
Still that rack, with 4 CPUs, about 8 SCSI harddisks and a few hubs and a 10/100 switch cost around 80K $ back then...
What matters is what you get for the price and how long it's going to last, not 200MHz more or less, that's important in the desktop sector maybe.
Also that saves us all those nice 1.2 and 1.4GHz chips for July.
G_News
* 256 kb L2 cache
* 2 MB L3 cache per processor
while the Xserver's processors were reported to have
* 256 kb L2 cache
* 4 MB L3 cache
So unless they've taken away L2 cache, I'd say that's 4 MB L3 cache per processor
If history tells us anything, Apple stock should take a 5 to 6% hit. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
MSKR
[quote] Apple today also previewed its new high-performance RAID storage product featuring industry standard 2Gb Fiber Channel, which will be introduced later this year.
<hr></blockquote>
<strong>The current Quicksilver G4s have:
* 256 kb L2 cache
* 2 MB L3 cache per processor
while the Xserver's processors were reported to have
* 256 kb L2 cache
* 4 MB L3 cache
So unless they've taken away L2 cache, I'd say that's 4 MB L3 cache per processor</strong><hr></blockquote>
Additional Xserve features include:
* single or dual 1 GHz PowerPC G4 processors;
* 2MB DDR L3 cache per processor;
From the Press release..
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Gigawire?
[ 05-14-2002: Message edited by: Anders ]</p>
When can I get my dual 4MB L3 Ghz+ DDR powermac with 64bit/66mhz (512MB/s throughput!) When?
On a lighter note, I would like to take this time out to congradulate myself for nailing the design config -- slide out drawer baby!!!
Also, why no ATA133? Still this is pretty good. All the ATA sucks people should realize that those are 4 independent ATA channels in there. Some softRAIDing should be able to stripe them into one massive 400MB/s volume or even two 200MB/s volumes.
This could be a nice thing to have on the desk of a video editing pro!
<strong>From press release - Oracle to run on Xservers... :-)
"Apple's powerful new Xserve rack-mount workgroup server solution combined with Apple's UNIX-based Mac OS X Server software is a superior platform for Oracle9i Database," said Michael Rocha, senior vice president, Product Services and Platform Technologies, Oracle Corp. "Oracle's leading database clustering technology, Oracle9i Real Application Clusters, running on Xserve will deliver enterprise-class solutions to our joint customers and create new opportunities for both companies."</strong><hr></blockquote>
Okay, you're joking around, right? I mean, this would rock, but there's no way in hell, right?
Linkage?
-mithral (feeling like a sucker, at the moment)
from the <a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/05-14-2002/0001727651&EDATE="; target="_blank">release</a>
<strong>
* one DB-9 serial console port and an optional Ultra3 SCSI card for connecting to external storage and backup devices;
</strong><hr></blockquote>
so that answers some of those questions.
<strong>
Okay, you're joking around, right? I mean, this would rock, but there's no way in hell, right?
Linkage?
-mithral (feeling like a sucker, at the moment)</strong><hr></blockquote>
it is in the press release that has been previously linked to.
<a href="http://www.stockhouse.com/news/news.asp?newsid=1170849&tick=AAPL"; target="_blank">http://www.stockhouse.com/news/news.asp?newsid=1170849&tick=AAPL</a>;
This is another link to the same thing.
<strong>
Okay, you're joking around, right? I mean, this would rock, but there's no way in hell, right?
Linkage?
-mithral (feeling like a sucker, at the moment)</strong><hr></blockquote>
He ain't joking!!
J :cool:
<a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020514/sftu086_1.html"; target="_blank">http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020514/sftu086_1.html</A>;
<strong>Another note: Is it 4MB total or for each processor? because the 7455 only supports 2MB of L3 cache. If the XServer has 4MB per processor then this is a whole new breed of G4.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It must be a new processor since DDR DRAM doesn't make sense on the old CPU's (with the 133Mhz MPX bus). I think that The Register was right for once with <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/24018.html"; target="_blank">the story</a> about the 7470 that uses a 266mhz MPX+ bus. They were right about the 4MB cache too. I think we'll see a DDR PowerMac very soon...