Apple retail store sales decline as consumers wait for new products

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  • Reply 21 of 90
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
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    Originally Posted by RegurgitatedCoprolite View Post



    There's been a cumulative effect caused by the Browettization of Retail, lack of dedicated leadership once Browett departed, and all the (false) negative news spread about Apple, e.g., NYT disinfo, Mike Daisey, etc.

     

    Bullshit.

  • Reply 22 of 90
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Tim Cook has been saying, "We have a bunch of exciting new products in the pipeline," for the last two years. An iPhone with Touch ID is not a "bunch"; that's one last time I checked. Unless he's counting processor speed bumps as "exciting new products."

    This is just from 2013 and it's a lot more than a processor speed bump, which I think only happened with the most recent MBA refresh. I think all the other Mac refreshes also received other new HW.
    • 13" MBP refreshed twice that year.
    • 15" MBP refreshed twice that year.
    • 21.5" iMac refreshed twice that year.
    • 27" iMac refreshed.
    • 11" MBA refreshed.
    • 13" MBA refreshed.
    • The New Mac Pro was introduced after 9 years of the same cue design.
    • iPad Air was introduced.
    • Retina iPad mini was introduced.
    • High-end iPhone was refreshed.
    • Mid-range iPhone was introduced to tackle more markets and quickly took position number 2 and settled as number 3 for the world's most popular smartphone.
    • 16GB iPod Touch was introduced to tackle more markets.
    • New AirPort Extreme and Time Capsule with 802.11ac were refreshed and given a new design.
    • Mac OS X got a new name and a major overhaul, not to mention it was made free.
    • iOS was redesigned from the ground up to be a modern OS that eschews the gimmicky look of the 2007 design.
    • iWork and iLife suite apps got a major overhaul, and most apps free with purchase of an Apple product.
    • iCloud had a major overhaul and more interconnects for smoother accessibility between devices.
    • Touch ID become the first consumer biometric that was actually useful.
    • 64-bit ARM processor with AArch64 was introduced with an OS, included apps, and IDE that full supported it, not to mention excellent documentation to help get 3rd-party developers to quickly support the better architecture.
  • Reply 23 of 90
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
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    Originally Posted by daveinpublic View Post



    Article says it may be ok because there slice of revenue hasn't gone down - dies that mean all apple revenue has gone down? Not good either way.



    I'm sure tim cook notices the dry spell in products/announcements. After saying 2013 would be chalk full of new products, I hope we get the products he was promising soon.

     

    Yes, Apple is DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!! Everything is bad for Apple isn’t it in your eyes. Gloom and doom is the rule of the day.

  • Reply 24 of 90
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by Arlor View Post

    Maybe he's disappointed that it doesn't do his dishes yet? I know I am.


     

    Bad luck; they just got rid of the dish drive.

     


    Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

    The iMac still looks the same as it did before the thinness.

     

    No one cares.

     

    All they did was make it thinner.


     

    No, that’s not the only thing.

     

    It could use a facelift with something new. 


     

    For no reason whatsoever. You’re like the people who whined about a Mac Pro redesign for the sake of a redesign.

     

    I don't care if the majority of sales are notebooks, that doesn't mean you ignore the rest of the lineup. 


     

    They explicitly have not ignored the rest of the lineup. Absolutely no one paying any level of attention would say this.

     

    The Mac mini currently is shameful for what you get for the price.  


     

    I’d guess not, given that people still buy them.

  • Reply 25 of 90
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    macxpress wrote: »
    Ohhhhh...someone's getting testy!!!! Put the koolaid down for a second son. 

    The iMac still looks the same as it did before the thinness. All they did was make it thinner. I'm not dismissing that this wasn't easy, I'm just saying the overall design is the same from the front. It could use a facelift with something new. 

    I don't care if the majority of sales are notebooks, that doesn't mean you ignore the rest of the lineup. People still buy iMacs, Mac minis, etc. The Mac mini currently is shameful for what you get for the price. 

    1) Cool it without personal attacks.

    2) It's a big fucking display! What the hell do you want them to do with the display, fold it into a box form that you have to turn to see?

    3) Again, and as proven, they haven't ignored it and under 2 years since a major and difficult redesign is not "forever." Just because they made radical changes you don't care for doesn't mean they didn't make changes. That's as silly as me saying they've never changed the iPod Nano simply because I don't care for the changes they made to the iPod Nano.
  • Reply 26 of 90
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
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    Originally Posted by gwmac View Post

     

    Apple needs to do more staggered releases throughout the year with a new introduction of a product every quarter if possible. Far too many times recently many new products are released at once and then most of the rest of the year nothing. If Apple releases multiple iPhone sizes for example the 5.5" might have more impact around April which is the time Samsung tends to release their new Galaxy. Fall for the smaller and Spring for the larger one would keep the excitement level up. 


    Do car manufacturers release different models every quarter? TVs? Refrigerators? Anything of any consequence? Companies like Samsung do it because they are going after market share, rather than profit share, and they live to the creed of: "If you have nothing of "value" to show them ..... baffle them with bullshit...and often.  Apple has it right, imo, and that is demonstrated by it's tremendous growth that is the envy of most all other companies. Have patience, "Grasshopper".

  • Reply 27 of 90
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member

    To a certain segment of this forum everything is sad, disappointing, faltering, old, boring, stale. How do you people keep from hanging yourselves from a rope in your closet? Is there no joy in your miserable lives? Does nothing excite you, turn you on, make you happy? When you go to a movie, or play, or musical, do you sit there and look for reasons to dislike it? 

  • Reply 28 of 90
    mabhattermabhatter Posts: 39member
    There is nothing at the Apple store to drive repeat traffic. The last NEW device was the Mac Pro... Which is impossible to get at a store and has zero accessories you might return for. That was in January.

    Apple Store has sworn off all but the most expensive software packages. They have neat accessories for iPhones and iPads.. But software and accessories all start at $50+ now.. Well outside "Saturday afternoon browsing" range. They really don't seem to want to bother with you for less than $100+ sales. There's just no reason to go there. My closest Apple store is 40 miles away. I used to try going to that mall once a month, but cannot even justify the has because there's not even good cookies and pretzels anymore.
  • Reply 29 of 90
    arlorarlor Posts: 532member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Bad luck; they just got rid of the dish drive.


     

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  • Reply 30 of 90
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member

     



     

     

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    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post





    Well yeah if you are a laptop users that may be the case. If you want a desktop the only truly new machine there is the Mac Pro which isn't a mainstream machine by any measure.



    Don't get me wrong I think the Mac is a great platform in a limited way, but it is a bit of a stretch to say the line up has never been better. I see it as rather stale myself.

    So which "non Apple" desktop is better than the current iMac?

  • Reply 31 of 90
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    newbee wrote: »
    Do car manufacturers release different models every quarter? TVs? Refrigerators? Anything of any consequence? Companies like Samsung do it because they are going after market share, rather than profit share, and they live to the creed of: "If you have nothing of "value" to show them ..... baffle them with bullshit...and often.  Apple has it right, imo, and that is demonstrated by it's tremendous growth that is the envy of most all other companies. Have patience, "Grasshopper".

    I think the companies that do have multiple product ranges do seem to stagger their releases more. He's not saying that everything should be updated several times a year, but rather the annual cycles being spread out more. I'd love to see that.

    I bought a new MBP, iPad, and iPhone last year…. all at the end of the year, but I don't think too many people do that. I understand if Apple has logistical reasons why it may not be able to do this but from a financial perspective I would bet it would be better for Apple's bottom line if people could get people to want one new product 3x a year rather than 3 new products 1x a year. Besides pilling all that cost together there is also the overwhelming nature of having too new products at once. Most probably just choose one and then ignore the rest because their desire for new CE has been satisfied. By the time that wears off (and/or they have extra spending money) those other new products many no long satisfy that desire for new CE. (A longwinded way to say all that. I hope there is an economic term that can be used. Does anyone know what it could be?)
  • Reply 32 of 90
    richlorichlo Posts: 46member
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    Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

     

     

    I would like to see Apple Stores get a facelift. They've looked the same for too long and in my opinion, are getting long in the tooth as far as the design goes. Its a nice design don't get me wrong, but I think it could be better. The same basic design has been around since the first Apple Store. 

     

     


     

    I'd have to disagree on looking the same.  Ask yourself how often retail updates the look in their stores as often as Apple does. Think Sears, Nordstrom, Abercrombie, Williams Sonoma. 

    Layout maybe the same with wood tables in a grid formation but design has changed many times since the original store. Back then the first store was the black and white design. Then aluminum, now I believe is glass. 

    Apple tends to change the look of the store based on what the current focus is of their product design is.  

  • Reply 33 of 90
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
    lkrupp wrote: »
    To a certain segment of this forum everything is sad, disappointing, faltering, old, boring, stale. How do you people keep from hanging yourselves from a rope in your closet? Is there no joy in your miserable lives? Does nothing excite you, turn you on, make you happy? When you go to a movie, or play, or musical, do you sit there and look for reasons to dislike it? 

    Yeah ... less than a month 'til the Swimsuit Issue :D
  • Reply 34 of 90
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
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    Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

     

    The iMac still looks the same as it did before the thinness. All they did was make it thinner. I'm not dismissing that this wasn't easy, I'm just saying the overall design is the same from the front. It could use a facelift with something new. 

     


    If it ain't broke .... don't fix it!  ;)

  • Reply 35 of 90
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member
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    Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

     

     

    Ohhhhh...someone's getting testy!!!! Put the koolaid down for a second son. 

     

    The iMac still looks the same as it did before the thinness. All they did was make it thinner. I'm not dismissing that this wasn't easy, I'm just saying the overall design is the same from the front. It could use a facelift with something new. 

     

    I don't care if the majority of sales are notebooks, that doesn't mean you ignore the rest of the lineup. People still buy iMacs, Mac minis, etc. The Mac mini currently is shameful for what you get for the price. 


     

    The differences between the Late-2011 iMac and the Late-2012 iMac are pretty substantial.  And the differences between the Late-2012 and the Late-2013 may not be quite as big, but they are still there.

     

    I'm not sure what you want them to do to the look of it.  Make it oval?  Make it yellow?  Make it a neon yellow oval?

     

    Personally, I think a faster bus, faster memory, better options when it comes to the Fusion Drive, the inclusion of Thunderbolt, etc. are a heck of a lot more important than some meaningless change to how it looks from the front.

     

    ETA: OH yeah, better processor, improved Bluetooth ...

  • Reply 36 of 90
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    lkrupp wrote: »
    To a certain segment of this forum everything is sad, disappointing, faltering, old, boring, stale. How do you people keep from hanging yourselves from a rope in your closet? Is there no joy in your miserable lives? Does nothing excite you, turn you on, make you happy? When you go to a movie, or play, or musical, do you sit there and look for reasons to dislike it? 

    Two of the worst and stupidest clichés used in this forum are "stale" and "long in the tooth." I can't imagine anyone using these stalest of terms without realizing how it reflects on their own toothless mental habits.

    Anyway, the next iMac and Apple Display breakthroughs are OBVIOUSLY waiting for new technology like that being used in Sharp's 4K display.

    But the ADD element here thinks the design is "stale." Maybe little fins or some chrome around the screen . . .
  • Reply 37 of 90
    ceek74ceek74 Posts: 324member

    Imagine that, people waiting for new products instead of dropping bucks on end-of-life items.  Strange.  I guess people are supposed to buy both the old AND the new around the same time.  Seems reasonable.

  • Reply 38 of 90
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,872member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    1) Cool it without personal attacks.



    2) It's a big fucking display! What the hell do you want them to do with the display, fold it into a box form that you have to turn to see?



    3) Again, and as proven, they haven't ignored it and under 2 years since a major and difficult redesign is not "forever." Just because they made radical changes you don't care for doesn't mean they didn't make changes. That's as silly as me saying they've never changed the iPod Nano simply because I don't care for the changes they made to the iPod Nano.

     

    There was no personal attack son...Its not my fault you took it that way. 

     

    Well this is Apple...maybe if they didn't focus 100% on the iPhone and actually paid attention to the Mac every once in a while they'd some up with something different rather than something that looks like it did back in 2007. Its still a gray chin with a glass black border design. 

     

    Maybe an all glass front, and nix the chin, leaving an all glass front? 

  • Reply 39 of 90
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,872member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Bad luck; they just got rid of the dish drive.

     

     

    No one cares.

     

    No, that’s not the only thing.

     

    For no reason whatsoever. You’re like the people who whined about a Mac Pro redesign for the sake of a redesign.

     

    They explicitly have not ignored the rest of the lineup. Absolutely no one paying any level of attention would say this.

     

    I’d guess not, given that people still buy them.


     

    No ones cares? How do you know? Did you take a poll?

     

    How do you know people are still buying the Mac mini? Who exactly is buying them? Lets see some numbers and not just FUD that you typically spew out. 

  • Reply 40 of 90
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member
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    Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

     

     

    Ohhhhh...someone's getting testy!!!! Put the koolaid down for a second son. 

     

    The iMac still looks the same as it did before the thinness. All they did was make it thinner. I'm not dismissing that this wasn't easy, I'm just saying the overall design is the same from the front. It could use a facelift with something new. 

     

    I don't care if the majority of sales are notebooks, that doesn't mean you ignore the rest of the lineup. People still buy iMacs, Mac minis, etc. The Mac mini currently is shameful for what you get for the price. 


    What kind of thing were you thinking about? In what areas do you feel the iMac needs to be changed / improved? The reason the iMac remains much the same is that by now it has been pared down to a screen, essentially. Would a colour change constitute a 'facelift'? In my opinion the present iMac has come a very long way since 'before the thinness', whenever that was. It can still get thinner but a 27" screen will always be a 27" screen. I remember some poster said prior to the iPhone 5s that Apple needed to up its game to beat Samsung. He thought Apple shouldn't incrementally improve the iPhone but instead "innovate and completely blow our minds". Not that I don't like having my mind blown by new design but it is hard to see how the iMac, or the iPhone can possibly do that through exterior design at this point. One day perhaps, the iMac will be a thin piece of clear class that will only function as a powerful computer (screen) once it is has been woken from sleep. That technology is a little way's off, though, I think :)

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