Apple retail store sales decline as consumers wait for new products

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  • Reply 61 of 90
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    1) Apple's goal is to maximize profits which I believe could be better achieved by spacing out major category updates, not about trying to please everyone even though getting a customer to buy more of your products is likely to please them.

    2) Apple used to have more events in the Steve era. I miss the January event but I understand it's a bit cramped for time as Apple does shut down at the end of December but I would still like to see something between the Autumn event and WWDC in the Summer. They even used to have another event in the Spring to detail iOS and previously to release the iPad back when the iPhone was released in the Summer. To me, the events seem more cramped and rushed so a 1 to 1.5 hour event a couple more times a year would be a treat, not something I'd get bored with. We're talking 3 to 5 month intervals here, not every month.

    I'd say some of this may have to do with evolutionary constraints with their products. They were building out four new platforms during the Steve years: Pods, Phones, Pads and AIO Macs.

    Now all those platforms have matured and complexified, and the changes are now to be found only near the very bleeding edges of each platform's technologies. The result is no more rapid fireworks for a while, only painful refinements. When there's a new form factor, things will change.
  • Reply 62 of 90
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    macxpress wrote: »
    There was no personal attack son...Its not my fault you took it that way. 

    Well this is Apple...maybe if they didn't focus 100% on the iPhone and actually paid attention to the Mac every once in a while they'd some up with something different rather than something that looks like it did back in 2007. Its still a gray chin with a glass black border design. 

    Maybe an all glass front, and nix the chin, leaving an all glass front? 

    The damn chin is structural, and it also carries heat up into the aluminum back, which is one giant heat sink and exchanger with the outside air.

    Get real.
  • Reply 63 of 90
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    flaneur wrote: »
    The damn chin is structural, and it also carries heat up into the aluminum back, which is one giant heat sink and exchanger with the outside air.

    Get real.

    It also supports the glass and I think the Apple logo on the front houses the IR sensor behind it.
  • Reply 64 of 90
    etsleeetslee Posts: 18member
    Not surprised sales falling. I haven't felt the need to step into a store for months. Nothing new to look at and the stores are usually too crowded and cramped.
  • Reply 65 of 90
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    1) Apple's goal is to maximize profits which I believe could be better achieved by spacing out major category updates, not about trying to please everyone even though getting a customer to buy more of your products is likely to please them.



    2) Apple used to have more events in the Steve era. I miss the January event but I understand it's a bit cramped for time as Apple does shut down at the end of December but I would still like to see something between the Autumn event and WWDC in the Summer. They even used to have another event in the Spring to detail iOS and previously to release the iPad back when the iPhone was released in the Summer. To me, the events seem more cramped and rushed so a 1 to 1.5 hour event a couple more times a year would be a treat, not something I'd get bored with. We're talking 3 to 5 month intervals here, not every month.

    Apple's goal (or focus, if you will) as it's been stated many times from Steve to Tim and a lot of others as well, is to produce the very best products, services and user experience that it's capable of. The fact that this philosophy also produces record profits should not take away from it's goal ....and, thanks to Tim and others strength of character ... it doesn't. That strong, unwavering purpose takes into consideration a lot of pieces of the puzzle.. I understand that the making of profit drives the thinking of most companies these days.....but Apple is not one of them.

     

    I do agree with you that the more recent events have been more"cramped and rushed" and that takes away from any event ... but with all that is going on, i.e. lawsuits, trying to protect it's IP, trying to distance itself from Sammy by becoming even more vertically integrated, buying/developing new tech, etc. etc. .... it's a huge problem to keep control of a fast growing company in a fast growing industry and planning and carrying out a WWDC type of event take a tremendous amount of time. Maybe Tim and others have to read "The Presentation Secrets of Steve Jobs" to get a better idea on how to "do" a presentation. That's a book I wish had been around when I used to do a fair amount of presentations. A good read, if you're into keynote type of presentations.

  • Reply 66 of 90
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    newbee wrote: »
    Apple's goal (or focus, if you will) as it's been stated many times from Steve to Tim and a lot of others as well, is to produce the very best products, services and user experience that it's capable of. The fact that this philosophy also produces record profits should not take away from it's goal ....and, thanks to Tim and others strength of character ... it doesn't. That strong, unwavering purpose takes into consideration a lot of tangibles. I understand that the making of profit drives the thinking of most companies these days.....but Apple is not one of them.

    This might just be semantics or a PoV difference but I do agree that Apple is trying to produce the best possible products but I think their philosophy is that the best possible product within a price range is how they can feel they can best generate long term profits.
  • Reply 67 of 90
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    1) Apple's goal is to maximize profits which I believe could be better achieved by spacing out major category updates, not about trying to please everyone even though getting a customer to buy more of your products is likely to please them.



    2) Apple used to have more events in the Steve era. I miss the January event but I understand it's a bit cramped for time as Apple does shut down at the end of December but I would still like to see something between the Autumn event and WWDC in the Summer. They even used to have another event in the Spring to detail iOS and previously to release the iPad back when the iPhone was released in the Summer. To me, the events seem more cramped and rushed so a 1 to 1.5 hour event a couple more times a year would be a treat, not something I'd get bored with. We're talking 3 to 5 month intervals here, not every month.

    There is also the fact that most 'new' devices are updates rather than 'one more thing' type events. And these days with all the leaks it seems people are disappointed no matter what. Imagine an Apple event such as an iPod event way back, that only announced an updated iPad and IOS. Shock, Horror! Apple would be declared dead in a second. Because this is Apple people expect block buster events. It must be hard for Apple to always have to follow its own act ;). A victim of its own success. But I agree, more events and distributed releases makes sense in terms marketing (staying in the news) as well as keeping the customers coming. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple changes release strategy. I'd like to see the events followed by in store lectures / demos by Apple experts. Broadcast the events as per usual but also make them into store events where we can get a more in-depth look at new announcements.

  • Reply 68 of 90
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by etslee View Post



    Not surprised sales falling. I haven't felt the need to step into a store for months. Nothing new to look at and the stores are usually too crowded and cramped.

    I find that because I know most Apple products quite well I need to spend very little time in the Apple store. Even when new product is announced I need very little time to try it. I need to see and feel it but generally speaking I already know if I am am going to buy it or not. If I do its an in and out proposition.

     

    And that is the point of the Apple store - it is great for Apple aficionados but it is really aimed at the uninitiated. 

  • Reply 69 of 90
    atlappleatlapple Posts: 496member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by newbee View Post

     

    Apple's goal (or focus, if you will) as it's been stated many times from Steve to Tim and a lot of others as well, is to produce the very best products, services and user experience that it's capable of. The fact that this philosophy also produces record profits should not take away from it's goal ....and, thanks to Tim and others strength of character ... it doesn't. That strong, unwavering purpose takes into consideration a lot of tangibles. I understand that the making of profit drives the thinking of most companies these days.....but Apple is not one of them.

     

    I do agree with you that the more recent events have been more"cramped and rushed" and that takes away from any event ... but with all that is going on, i.e. lawsuits, trying to protect it's IP, trying to distance itself from Sammy by becoming even more vertically integrated, buying/developing new tech, etc. etc. .... it's a huge problem to keep control of a fast growing company in a fast growing industry and planning and carrying out a WWDC type of event take a tremendous amount of time. Maybe Tim and others have to read "The Presentation Secrets of Steve Jobs" to get a better idea on how to "do" a presentation. That's a book I wish had been around when I used to do a fair amount of presentations. A good read, if you're into keynote type of presentations.


    Several releases spread throughout the year also helps with impulse buying. If everything is released around the same timeframe many will pick what they need the most and then wait. They wait six or eight month then they won't buy until the next model year because they want the newest hardware. 

     

    Also the iPad and iPhone have become so advanced many don't need to update every year if there isn't a major design change. I have the iPad Air there really isn't anything Apple can do this year that would make me feel like I was missing out on something. Even with a TouchID. I have a 2012 MBA a small speed bump certainly wasn't going to make me update, and IPS Retina would of course. 

     

    Another factor bringing us back to Mac sales is there have been so many that have moved from Windows over to Macs and those adopters are use to keeping their system for 3-5 years, well if they held up that long. Their systems work and they work well that's all they care about and honestly that is great it will keep them as Apple users. 

     

    I also agree we have taken for granted all the great software Apple gave us for free this year and how well it works. Buying a new MBA and iPad Air it was nice to get al that extra software, kind of like a thanks for buying our products. 

     

    My only concern the new iPhone. I have the 5s will I really want a larger phone. Not sure on that one yet. 

     

    Most importantly redheaded stepchild. Red hair being less common if a child with red hair we born to parents without red hair then it was assumed to be a child from an affair, so wasn't the child that was favored. Depending where someone lives in the US that definition can change, however that is the most common in the South. 

  • Reply 70 of 90
    patchythepiratepatchythepirate Posts: 1,254member

    I have a feeling we'll start seeing a more bi-annual release cycle (or at least announcement cycle) by 2017; I don't think those lovely, spring-blooming cherry trees lining the path to the auditorium at the new headquarters are intended to be solely for the employees' benefit.

     

    I think it'd work well for Apple to have a pro-focused event in the spring, while maintaining their consumer-focused event(s) in the fall. This would be helpful not just to maximize profit, but also to maximize mindshare, so that there's less opportunity between announcements to dominate the media with anti-Apple FUD. Also, spring is a good time for spending that tax refund and giving graduation presents.

  • Reply 71 of 90
    benjamin frostbenjamin frost Posts: 7,203member
    newbee wrote: »
    I see your point. The thing is, as you say, most people don't do that, and I think it's for a good reason. Let's say, for instance, that most people's needs/wants are met with an iPhone, an iPad and a laptop/desktop computer. That's 3 items that, in terms of a change in technology, probably should be "updated" every 3 years or so, if you want to stay relatively current with "computer capability", no? So, do you change all 3 in 1 year, at great cost and wait 2 years to catch up with the tech?  I think a better idea is to spread your costs over 3 years, and take turns updating devices at one per year. That way you're staying close the "tech race" without getting too much out of date. YMWV, however.

    That sounds a little neat to me. My current run rate is: iPhone every two years, iPad every three, iMac every seven.
  • Reply 72 of 90
    benjamin frostbenjamin frost Posts: 7,203member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    1) Apple's goal is to maximize profits which I believe could be better achieved by spacing out major category updates, not about trying to please everyone even though getting a customer to buy more of your products is likely to please them.

    2) Apple used to have more events in the Steve era. I miss the January event but I understand it's a bit cramped for time as Apple does shut down at the end of December but I would still like to see something between the Autumn event and WWDC in the Summer. They even used to have another event in the Spring to detail iOS and previously to release the iPad back when the iPhone was released in the Summer. To me, the events seem more cramped and rushed so a 1 to 1.5 hour event a couple more times a year would be a treat, not something I'd get bored with. We're talking 3 to 5 month intervals here, not every month.

    I miss Apple listing every single feature of OS X and iOS.
  • Reply 73 of 90
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TeaEarleGreyHot View Post


     ..... Haha, you beat me to the punch!

    Wow!  My hearts all a flutter. That's the first time I've beat anyone ....  at anything. Thanks for that.  :)

  • Reply 74 of 90
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post





    That sounds a little neat to me. My current run rate is: iPhone every two years, iPad every three, iMac every seven.

    I have to tell you that it's "a little neat" for me too. The fact that I've been retired (in other words, unemployed) for 7 years now will help explain that I just (in the last month) purchased an "experienced" Mac capable of running Mavericks. Now, if I could only pry it from my wife's hands I'd be ecstatic. My computer is a 2006  (32bit)  24" iMac, that still runs fine but SL is as high as I can upgrade. An iPad 2 exists somewhere in our household .... I know, because I see the "little women" on it ....often. 

     

    So, while you and I are different than my example ... I was just trying to refer to Soli's idea that  "it would be better for Apple's bottom line if people could get people to want one new product 3x a year rather than 3 new products 1x a year."

     

    This discussion is interesting 'tho as it adds some colour to how often the average Apple fan might refresh their gear. 

  • Reply 75 of 90
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    newbee wrote: »
    I have to tell you that it's "a little neat" for me too. The fact that I've been retired (in other words, unemployed) for 7 years now will help explain that I just (in the last month) purchased an "experienced" Mac capable of running Mavericks. Now, if I could only pry it from my wife's hands I'd be ecstatic. My computer is a 2006  (32bit)  24" iMac, that still runs fine but SL is as high as I can upgrade. An iPad 2 exists somewhere in our household .... I know, because I see the "little women" on it ....often. 

    So, while you and I are different than my example ... I was just trying to refer to Soli's idea that  "it would be better for Apple's bottom line if people could get people to want one new product 3x a year rather than 3 new products 1x a year."

    This discussion is interesting 'tho as it adds some colour to how often the average Apple fan might refresh their gear. 

    I'm certainly atypical as I tend to replace my iPhone every year and my Mac every 2 (someones 3 and sometimes 1) years, but my iPad will probably not be updated for several years since I don't use it much and I'm still using the 2nd(?) 1GB Pod Shuffle from 2006 (which I use in a waterproof casing with underwater headphones for swimming).
  • Reply 76 of 90
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AtlApple View Post

     

    Most importantly redheaded stepchild. Red hair being less common if a child with red hair we born to parents without red hair then it was assumed to be a child from an affair, so wasn't the child that was favored. Depending where someone lives in the US that definition can change, however that is the most common in the South. 


    In my case, 2 of our 3 children have red hair .... very, very red hair. My wife had red hair as a young girl but over the years it has grown to a light brown. The two redheads "wear their hearts on their sleeves". Their passion knows no bounds .... positive or negative. My eldest and myself are night and day different. We do a slow burn when ticked off ...... and tend to forget and forgive  s l o w l y.  The other two and my wife are like fireworks .... they take off, rising quickly and exploding in a brilliant display of energy spent.....then come crashing down to earth ......leaving nearby spectators (me) wondering what the hell just happened.

     

    So I think the "red headed stepchild" origins comes from many generations of families with redheads, like mine, with the non reds "walking on eggshells' trying not to "wake the sleeping giant", all the while wondering ....did that really come from my loins ???   We never lack for excitement 'tho ..... so there's that.     <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 77 of 90
    benjamin frostbenjamin frost Posts: 7,203member
    newbee wrote: »
    In my case, 2 of our 3 children have red hair .... very, very red hair. My wife had red hair as a young girl but over the years it has grown to a light brown. The two redheads "wear their hearts on their sleeves". Their passion knows no bounds .... positive or negative. My eldest and myself are night and day different. We do a slow burn when ticked off ...... and tend to forget and forgive  s l o w l y.  The other two and my wife are like fireworks .... they take off, rising quickly and exploding in a brilliant display of energy spent.....then come crashing down to earth ......leaving nearby spectators (me) wondering what the hell just happened.

    So I think the "red headed stepchild" origins comes from many generations of families with redheads, like mine, with the non reds "walking on eggshells' trying not to "wake the sleeping giant", all the while wondering ....did that really come from my loins ???   We never lack for excitement 'tho ..... so there's that.     :lol:

    Apart from the redheadedness, you sound like me and my wife.
  • Reply 78 of 90
    analogjackanalogjack Posts: 1,073member
    When the iPhone 6 comes out in a larger size the dam will burst as Apple is flooded with love
  • Reply 79 of 90
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    analogjack wrote: »
    When the iPhone 6 comes out in a larger size the dam will burst as Apple is flooded with love

    I don't see that happening. The same people will continue to find things to complain about. The current* Apple will never good enough.


    * I say current because the same people that bitched about Steve Jobs now complain about Tim Cook and praise Jobs and Apple of the past.
  • Reply 80 of 90
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    I don't see that happening. The same people will continue to find things to complain about. The current* Apple will never good enough.


    * I say current because the same people that bitched about Steve Jobs now complain about Tim Cook and praise Jobs and Apple of the past.

    I never really understand people that complain about things that they can never change. I prefer to complain about things that can be remedied, cold food, warm beer, bad service, etc...anything else is a waste of time.
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