That's exactly why Iovine thinks his method is world's better than the computer-only generated systems. It's essentially a cyborg system that uses a human element. Whether that is successful I can't say but it's certainly an interesting solution.
I don't use Spotify or any streaming services, I have iTunes Match and that works good for me.
I do think that I prefer Spotify's system though to the others, because there you can choose exactly what you want to listen to.
Maybe it comes down to personal choice, but I'd rather not have anybody choosing my music for me. Computer curated or human curated doesn't really matter to me, because I choose neither of them.
Music certainly goes through many phases doesn't it? How about the roaring 20's ? .... I always liked Ragtime (not that I was there you understand) The 50's music was great to learn as a guitarists, once you has C, Am, F and G down you were all set!
The mere fact that Apple feels the need to buy Beats in order to look "cool" (even though Apple itself has been the epitome of "cool" for the last 40 years) shows how off-the-mark Cook is on that moronic purchase.
You assume that's all Beats has to offer? Apple is the king of lowballing its supply chain. What makes you think they would overpay for Beats just for "cool"? There has to be more to it, if the offer is truly $3.2 billion. Apple doesn't throw money around like that.
[@]digitalclips[/@], since you use iTunes Radio's playlist features I think you would be an excellent candidate to test out Beats Music's playlist generation features.
Once you get it established you could select the same song from each service and then see which gives you new songs which are best choices moving forward.
[@]Dick Applebaum[/@] and others, if you also use iTunes Radio or Spotify's playlist generating services it would be great to have some detailed comparisons where you all list the services, genres artists and songs that are chosen.
I use neither iTunes Radio or Spotify! I tried one service (forget which) was not impressed! I have eclectic tastes so my choices are pretty random/oddball. I posted earlier that I used iTunes to randomly select songs from a newly merged family library -- and create a playlist for the first iPod Shuffle. The first Shuffle is headless -- so, I didn't know what songs were on the playlist or what was up next. Wore it to the grandkids soccer game -- a totally enjoyable experience ... Everything from Bob The Builder to Perry Como
When I'm in a mood and start listening to my music -- I often pick a song, artist or mixed playlist -- very seldom an album. But as I hear 1 song, it reminds me of something and I'll finish (or skip) to a different song -- like continually interrupting myself. It must drive iTunes crazy the way I use the play next / up next feature.
We have about 20,000 songs and music videos and hundreds of playlists serving 14, 15, 18, 50 and 74-year-old tastes.
You assume that's all Beats has to offer? Apple is the king of lowballing its supply chain. What makes you think they would overpay for Beats just for "cool"? There has to be more to it, if the offer is truly $3.2 billion. Apple doesn't throw money around like that.
It is like a Sherlock Homes episode isn't it? 'We know there is something more afoot, but Damn, what is it Watson?'
I wonder if Apple helped finance the HTC buy back hence the real cost is lower by that much.
1) I don't recall him saying it was luck of the draw, as much as saying the constant intermingling of Europeans with each other, as well as W. Asia and N. Africa that allowed Europeans to build natural defenses against disease. I have no time to read it again but the complete video is on YouTube. Perhaps I'll watch that this afternoon and hopefully it's not too abridged.
His theory was that herding of farm animals and being in close proximity to their germs gave humans in Europe immunities to many diseases that were deadly to non-europeans. I don't agree with a lot of his theory which I believe is overly simplistic and sidesteps the inherent human characteristics such as self determination and greed. Much of early technology leading to steel was developed from war and the europeans were generally warlike societies. Another aspect of climate which was not addressed is that as humans migrated to northern latitudes they needed to be more adaptable and clever in order to survive. Furthermore, his theory completely breaks down when considering modern history and how the United States came to be the most inventive and dominate society on the planet. It certainly wasn't the luck of the draw or the geographic latitude.
His theory was that herding of farm animals and being in close proximity to their germs gave humans in Europe immunities to many diseases that were deadly to non-europeans. I don't agree with a lot of his theory which I believe is overly simplistic and sidesteps the inherent human characteristics such as self determination and greed. Much of early technology leading to steel was developed from war and the europeans were generally warlike societies. Another aspect of climate which was not addressed is that as humans migrated to northern latitudes they needed to be more adaptable and clever in order to survive. Furthermore, his theory completely breaks down when considering modern history and how the United States came to be the most inventive and dominate society on the planet. It certainly wasn't the luck of the draw or the geographic latitude.
I think his theory of longitudal v latitudinal trade routes makes a lot of sense. I see no effective differences in isolating a child from other children to "protect" them can lead to hurting them later on. Exposure does build immunities within a person and through generations.
I don't recall him mentioning anything about US history in the book.
PS: Everyone, welcome to the new AI, Anthropology Insider.
Having come of age in the era of The Beatles and Stones I've yet to hear a rap song I even like, no less considered brilliant. Rap is my least favorite genre of music, but reasonable minds can differ! I simply fail to see the synergy in this deal between the players and brands. OTOH I've implored Tim Cook to think outside the box, and this deal certainly qualifies. My suspicion is the deal is "a beard" for a hidden aspect not readily apparently to the media or public.
Having come of age in the era of The Beatles and Stones I've yet to hear a rap song I even like, no less considered brilliant. Rap is my least favorite genre of music, but reasonable minds can differ! I simply fail to see the synergy in this deal between the players and brands. OTOH I've implored Tim Cook to think outside the box, and this deal certainly qualifies. My suspicion is the deal is "a beard" for a hidden aspect not readily apparently to the media or public.
1) At you acknowledge it as music.
2) A large part of society didn't think The Beatles were real or good music.
3) The Rolling Stones have been considered by many to have simply stolen their sound to create a lesser, watered down version of The Blues.
[@]digitalclips[/@], since you use iTunes Radio's playlist features I think you would be an excellent candidate to test out Beats Music's playlist generation features.
Once you get it established you could select the same song from each service and then see which gives you new songs which are best choices moving forward.
[@]Dick Applebaum[/@] and others, if you also use iTunes Radio or Spotify's playlist generating services it would be great to have some detailed comparisons where you all list the services, genres artists and songs that are chosen.
I'll check it out soon. But I have to say, in the end it is very subjective. No AI can ever know why I like say, a Buddy Holly song for example. It's not because I want a string of 1950's music it is because my older sister played them when I was a very young kid and it brings back happy memories, same with the Everly Brothers. I love Kris Kristofferson, not because I like country, which I don't much, but because it reminds me of a great summer with a certain lady who loved Kris and Rita ... I could go on ... point being no curation on earth is going to figure me out! lol. That said they can do a pretty good job if I pick an Eagles song but even then, to be honest, I often prefer 100% Eagles for the next few hours!
... "Every night she kept me from the cold " ...
But, sigh! Have you seen the movie Heaven's Gate?
In my answer to Sol, I describe my version of what you posted above. I don't know that Beats (or any algorithm or curation) could jump around and then settle down anticipating your choice of the moment. But, it just might be good enough.
What Beats, potentially, brings is the ability to select a version/artist of a song based on the moment. I used Streisand vs Player Piano versions of Happy Days Are Here Again to illustrate how a human-curated list might make the choice to follow with a Peggy Lee vs Dukes Of Dixieland Oh, Didn't He Ramble.
I may bounce around from Julio's La Paloma, to Tiny Tim's Tiptoe Through The Tulips ... but all playlists eventually lead to:
[VIDEO]
Bet, you din' 'spect to hear that today, Lucy! Now, That's music!
... You look like you've bin whooped with a ugly stick
His theory was that herding of farm animals and being in close proximity to their germs gave humans in Europe immunities to many diseases that were deadly to non-europeans. I don't agree with a lot of his theory which I believe is overly simplistic and sidesteps the inherent human characteristics such as self determination and greed. Much of early technology leading to steel was developed from war and the europeans were generally warlike societies. Another aspect of climate which was not addressed is that as humans migrated to northern latitudes they needed to be more adaptable and clever in order to survive. Furthermore, his theory completely breaks down when considering modern history and how the United States came to be the most inventive and dominate society on the planet. It certainly wasn't the luck of the draw or the geographic latitude.
I don't know for sure but doesn't the leap in the US's lead, date directly back to WWII and have a great deal to do those that came here. Also in the following years to the GI Bill and also the brain drain, i.e. when many scientists and mathematicians left Europe for the US in the mid 20th century.? I could be wrong and I have not looked this up, it was just one of those things 'I just thought I knew' ...
Whatever, we are in serious danger of losing it unless we get back to teaching science here ... but that's another topic ...:D
I'll check it out soon. But I have to say, in the end it is very subjective. No AI can ever know why I like say a Buddy Holly song for example. It's not because I want a string of 1950's music it is because my older system played them when I was a very young kid and it brings back happy memories, same with the Everly Brothers. I love Kris Kristofferson, not because I like country, which I don't much, but because it reminds me of a great summer with a certain lady who loved Kris and Rita ... I could go on ... point being no curation on earth is going to figure me out! lol. That said they can do a pretty good job if I pick an Eagles song but even then, to be honest, I often prefer 100% Eagles for the next few hours!
That's exactly why Iovine thinks his method is world's better than the computer-only generated systems. It's essentially a cyborg system that uses a human element. Whether that is successful I can't say but it's certainly an interesting solution.
Gee! I wish I had described it as succinctly and as elegantly as you just did! I bet Jimmy does, too ...
In my answer to Sol, I describe my version of what you posted above. I don't know that Beats (or any algorithm or curation) could jump around and then settle down anticipating your choice of the moment. But, it just might be good enough.
What Beats, potentially, brings is the ability to select a version/artist of a song based on the moment. I used Streisand vs Player Piano versions of Happy Days Are Here Again to illustrate how a human-curated list might make the choice to follow with a Peggy Lee vs Dukes Of Dixieland Oh, Didn't He Ramble.
I may bounce around from Julio's La Paloma, to Tiny Tim's Tiptoe Through The Tulips ... but all playlists eventually lead to:
[VIDEO]
Bet, you din' 'spect to hear that today, Lucy! Now, That's music!
... You look like you've bin whooped with a ugly stick
Now there's a fashion to revive ... burlesque ... OMG that's probably sooooo not PC these days!:\
Aside: For those who think Rap and Hip Hop aren't music -- what is Scat -- or worse Boogie-Woogie?
Music certainly goes through many phases doesn't it? How about the roaring 20's ? .... I always liked Ragtime (not that I was there you understand) The 50's music was great to learn as a guitarists, once you has C, Am, F and G down you were all set!
Here ya' go:
[VIDEO]
I have the tab for that around here somewhere -- but my hands aren't big enough:\
Apple has never and will never succeed at headphones and speakers. Beats has succeeded and will continue to dominate. It's a much-needed acquisition.
But why is that something Apple has to get into? The devices are where the profits are at.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Rule 34, section B, paragraph 1: There is porn of it, and there is also some other manner of image manipulation of it.
Lenin's corpse is not porn.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
As a relative newcomer to the the USA, now 25 years, I am, on a daily basis, shocked at the lack of knowledge in the sciences and level of racism in so many of the population (I suppose ignorance would encompass both of those attributes) in this otherwise wonderful country.
The borders are open. What's stopping you?
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
Apple may offer a second model of headphone that has a "respectable," more balanced spectrum, but you have to get over the style vs. substance meme here. It's about the planetary drumbeat vs. those little white earbuds that keep you from joining the tribe.
If that's all they're after, they wouldn't spend $3.2 billion on acquiring Beats.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Instead of getting upset like way too many people AI their writers seemed to "think tank" it by asking "If true, what would be Apple's reasoning for this?" They came up with some interesting ideas. It's unfortunate that it took so long to get any decent discussions going on AI over the emotional outcries.
That's DED's job: to find a positive spin. Right now, it's just a rumor that's powering Google Ad impressions on this site through the weekend.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Historically speaking, you're correct, but I guess that there's a first time for everything, if this deal and the amount are true.
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That's exactly why Iovine thinks his method is world's better than the computer-only generated systems. It's essentially a cyborg system that uses a human element. Whether that is successful I can't say but it's certainly an interesting solution.
I don't use Spotify or any streaming services, I have iTunes Match and that works good for me.
I do think that I prefer Spotify's system though to the others, because there you can choose exactly what you want to listen to.
Maybe it comes down to personal choice, but I'd rather not have anybody choosing my music for me. Computer curated or human curated doesn't really matter to me, because I choose neither of them.
• http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2014/01/google-music-timeline.html?m=1
The mere fact that Apple feels the need to buy Beats in order to look "cool" (even though Apple itself has been the epitome of "cool" for the last 40 years) shows how off-the-mark Cook is on that moronic purchase.
You assume that's all Beats has to offer? Apple is the king of lowballing its supply chain. What makes you think they would overpay for Beats just for "cool"? There has to be more to it, if the offer is truly $3.2 billion. Apple doesn't throw money around like that.
That's great fun, here is the direct link to the interactive graphic
http://research.google.com/bigpicture/music/
EDIT: Note you can double click any area to dig deeper.
I use neither iTunes Radio or Spotify! I tried one service (forget which) was not impressed! I have eclectic tastes so my choices are pretty random/oddball. I posted earlier that I used iTunes to randomly select songs from a newly merged family library -- and create a playlist for the first iPod Shuffle. The first Shuffle is headless -- so, I didn't know what songs were on the playlist or what was up next. Wore it to the grandkids soccer game -- a totally enjoyable experience ... Everything from Bob The Builder to Perry Como
When I'm in a mood and start listening to my music -- I often pick a song, artist or mixed playlist -- very seldom an album. But as I hear 1 song, it reminds me of something and I'll finish (or skip) to a different song -- like continually interrupting myself. It must drive iTunes crazy the way I use the play next / up next feature.
We have about 20,000 songs and music videos and hundreds of playlists serving 14, 15, 18, 50 and 74-year-old tastes.
Apple doesn't throw money around like that.
Historically speaking, you're correct, but I guess that there's a first time for everything, if this deal and the amount are true.
Maybe they saw how Google, Facebook and others are throwing around huge sums of money left and right.
It is like a Sherlock Homes episode isn't it? 'We know there is something more afoot, but Damn, what is it Watson?'
I wonder if Apple helped finance the HTC buy back hence the real cost is lower by that much.
1) I don't recall him saying it was luck of the draw, as much as saying the constant intermingling of Europeans with each other, as well as W. Asia and N. Africa that allowed Europeans to build natural defenses against disease. I have no time to read it again but the complete video is on YouTube. Perhaps I'll watch that this afternoon and hopefully it's not too abridged.
His theory was that herding of farm animals and being in close proximity to their germs gave humans in Europe immunities to many diseases that were deadly to non-europeans. I don't agree with a lot of his theory which I believe is overly simplistic and sidesteps the inherent human characteristics such as self determination and greed. Much of early technology leading to steel was developed from war and the europeans were generally warlike societies. Another aspect of climate which was not addressed is that as humans migrated to northern latitudes they needed to be more adaptable and clever in order to survive. Furthermore, his theory completely breaks down when considering modern history and how the United States came to be the most inventive and dominate society on the planet. It certainly wasn't the luck of the draw or the geographic latitude.
I think his theory of longitudal v latitudinal trade routes makes a lot of sense. I see no effective differences in isolating a child from other children to "protect" them can lead to hurting them later on. Exposure does build immunities within a person and through generations.
I don't recall him mentioning anything about US history in the book.
PS: Everyone, welcome to the new AI, Anthropology Insider.
Having come of age in the era of The Beatles and Stones I've yet to hear a rap song I even like, no less considered brilliant. Rap is my least favorite genre of music, but reasonable minds can differ! I simply fail to see the synergy in this deal between the players and brands. OTOH I've implored Tim Cook to think outside the box, and this deal certainly qualifies. My suspicion is the deal is "a beard" for a hidden aspect not readily apparently to the media or public.
1) At you acknowledge it as music.
2) A large part of society didn't think The Beatles were real or good music.
3) The Rolling Stones have been considered by many to have simply stolen their sound to create a lesser, watered down version of The Blues.
... "Every night she kept me from the cold " ...
But, sigh! Have you seen the movie Heaven's Gate?
In my answer to Sol, I describe my version of what you posted above. I don't know that Beats (or any algorithm or curation) could jump around and then settle down anticipating your choice of the moment. But, it just might be good enough.
What Beats, potentially, brings is the ability to select a version/artist of a song based on the moment. I used Streisand vs Player Piano versions of Happy Days Are Here Again to illustrate how a human-curated list might make the choice to follow with a Peggy Lee vs Dukes Of Dixieland Oh, Didn't He Ramble.
I may bounce around from Julio's La Paloma, to Tiny Tim's Tiptoe Through The Tulips ... but all playlists eventually lead to:
[VIDEO]
Bet, you din' 'spect to hear that today, Lucy! Now, That's music!
... You look like you've bin whooped with a ugly stick
I don't know for sure but doesn't the leap in the US's lead, date directly back to WWII and have a great deal to do those that came here. Also in the following years to the GI Bill and also the brain drain, i.e. when many scientists and mathematicians left Europe for the US in the mid 20th century.? I could be wrong and I have not looked this up, it was just one of those things 'I just thought I knew' ...
Whatever, we are in serious danger of losing it unless we get back to teaching science here ... but that's another topic ...:D
11 pages of comments over a rumor Iovine and Dre MIGHT become Apple execs? This thread is more active than new mac or iPhone announcements
Gee! I wish I had described it as succinctly and as elegantly as you just did! I bet Jimmy does, too ...
Now there's a fashion to revive ... burlesque ... OMG that's probably sooooo not PC these days!:\
Here ya' go:
[VIDEO]
I have the tab for that around here somewhere -- but my hands aren't big enough:\
Maybe You Forgot About Dre?
I think we all forgot about this little event, when Steve Jobs talked to Dr. Dre. I know I did.
Apple has never and will never succeed at headphones and speakers. Beats has succeeded and will continue to dominate. It's a much-needed acquisition.
But why is that something Apple has to get into? The devices are where the profits are at.
Rule 34, section B, paragraph 1: There is porn of it, and there is also some other manner of image manipulation of it.
Lenin's corpse is not porn.
As a relative newcomer to the the USA, now 25 years, I am, on a daily basis, shocked at the lack of knowledge in the sciences and level of racism in so many of the population (I suppose ignorance would encompass both of those attributes) in this otherwise wonderful country.
The borders are open. What's stopping you?
Apple may offer a second model of headphone that has a "respectable," more balanced spectrum, but you have to get over the style vs. substance meme here. It's about the planetary drumbeat vs. those little white earbuds that keep you from joining the tribe.
If that's all they're after, they wouldn't spend $3.2 billion on acquiring Beats.
Instead of getting upset like way too many people AI their writers seemed to "think tank" it by asking "If true, what would be Apple's reasoning for this?" They came up with some interesting ideas. It's unfortunate that it took so long to get any decent discussions going on AI over the emotional outcries.
That's DED's job: to find a positive spin. Right now, it's just a rumor that's powering Google Ad impressions on this site through the weekend.
Historically speaking, you're correct, but I guess that there's a first time for everything, if this deal and the amount are true.
There has to be more to this than meets the eye.
Ah but we have digressed a wee bit now and then ...