Rumored 'iPhone 6' dummy compared to iPhone 5s as more alleged 3D renders leak online

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  • Reply 21 of 168
    I am a frontrunning fanboi of whatever phone I think is the best. I sold my Iphone 5S for a LG G2. Comparing specs:

    Iphone 6 render: 138.0 x 67.0 x 7.0 mm 4.7inch Resolution?
    LG G2 138.5 x 70.9 x 8.9 mm 5.2inch HD

    The LG G3, with full Quad HD is supposed to be just a little bigger. Come on Apple, ditch the bezels, do some creative thinking and stop being a slave to thinness. It's limiting your technology.
  • Reply 22 of 168
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jimbo1mcm View Post



    I am a frontrunning fanboi of whatever phone I think is the best. I sold my Iphone 5S for a LG G2. Comparing specs:



    Iphone 6 render: 138.0 x 67.0 x 7.0 mm 4.7inch Resolution?

    LG G2 138.5 x 70.9 x 8.9 mm 5.2inch HD



    The LG G3, with full Quad HD is supposed to be just a little bigger. Come on Apple, ditch the bezels, do some creative thinking and stop being a slave to thinness. It's limiting your technology.

    Supposed to be? You mean you're not sure?

     

    Frontrunning fanboi? You mean slave? <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> 

  • Reply 23 of 168

    From the looks of it, this is about the overall length and width of an iPhone 5S with a Mophie Juicepack on it. I've definitely managed to use it one-handed, and I have average sized male hands. The big difference is the thickness of the Mophie. Delete that thickness, and it would be much easier to use than what I currently experience. 

  • Reply 24 of 168
    You are confused.

    The iPhone 5s's dual LED feature give the phone control over the color temperature of the flash. Any "white" light has a temperature between cool ("bluish" cast, like HID headlights, ~6500K) and warm ("yellowish" cast, like filament bulbs, ~3000K). Photographers know this, which is why they use gels (color filters) on electronic flashes to match the ambient color temperature of the environment. The iPhone 5s has a cool and warm flash lamp with the ability to mix the two in different ratios automatically. This is an alternative to using gels.

    "Full spectrum" has nothing to do with this. It's a marketing term that doesn't say anything about color temperature. It means all wavelengths of light are emitted, not just red, green, and blue, which are the only 3 wavelengths that contribute to our perception of color. Lights marketed as "full spectrum" still have a (single) color temperature rating, which may or may not match the temperature of the ambient light when photographing a scene. So, it is not a solution to the color temperature problem.

    My assumption is that two LEDs could share the same aperture, assuming Apple wants to keep this feature. Or these fake models made from fake leaked specs are wrong about that. A copy of an copy of a copy of an error is also an error. And there's a whole industry cropping up to supply websites like nowhereelse.fr their manufactured news.

    "Color temperature" is a meaningless term for any light source that can't be fitted to a blackbody curve, like a lot of fluorescent lights, including these bogus "LED"s. All a light has to be to be full-spectrum is provide three points (red, green, and blue) that define a blackbody curve. Remember blackbody curves are like circles—they're all the same shape, they differ only in size. So three points can define one, just like a circle, and the wavelength of its peak provides a unique "color temperature": The temperature of a blackbody with the same peak. The difference is, there are some combinations of three points that can't define a blackbody curve. Especially if there's more red and blue than green, like most "LED" bulbs. This is a completely unnatural, non-blackbody light that has no "color temperature".
  • Reply 25 of 168
    jimbo1mcm wrote: »
    I am a frontrunning fanboi of whatever phone I think is the best. I sold my Iphone 5S for a LG G2. Comparing specs:

    Iphone 6 render: 138.0 x 67.0 x 7.0 mm 4.7inch Resolution?
    LG G2 138.5 x 70.9 x 8.9 mm 5.2inch HD

    The LG G3, with full Quad HD is supposed to be just a little bigger. Come on Apple, ditch the bezels, do some creative thinking and stop being a slave to thinness. It's limiting your technology.

    You mean it's limiting their specs. You are a fanboy of specs.
  • Reply 26 of 168
    freediverxfreediverx Posts: 1,408member
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    Originally Posted by 1983 View Post





    That's what I think the side mounted power button is for. You press it once with your thumb then the screen display (the display on the screen, not the screen itself of course!) shrinks around it to the 4 inches of the current 5S allowing for one handed/one thumb operation as usual. Once you've finished what you need to do, you press the power button again and the screen display jumps back to cover the entire 4.7/5.5 inches of the next-gen iPhones.

     

    Samsung has a feature similar to what you described. http://www.androidcentral.com/how-shrink-galaxy-note-3-s-display

     

    Their implementation, at least, doesn't seem very elegant or Apple-like.

  • Reply 27 of 168
    freediverxfreediverx Posts: 1,408member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post



    I keep seeing people say this, but it makes no sense. Obviously the two-"LED" flash was an interim solution based on off-the shelf parts. Remember that these "LED"s aren't really LEDs—they're fluorescent lights that just happen to be pumped by a blue LED instead of a mercury-vapor tube. You can get any spectrum you want by using different mixtures of phosphors. A standard "LED" light like my little reading light in the bedroom has that big spike in the blue from the LED, and then a hump in the red and orange from the phosphor, with a gigantic slump in the middle—the overall effect is supposed to vaguely remind you of a blackbody curve for natural sunlight. Obviously for photography this is no good—Apple briefly supplemented that missing yellow and green with a second "LED", but obviously now they can acquire full-spectrum single units.



    Maybe someday we'll have real LEDs that are bright enough so that combinations of red, green and blue can give us the LED lights we thought we were waiting for all these years, without the limitations of at most 4% efficiency and phosphor aging like these bogus "LED"s.


     


    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post



    You are confused.



    The iPhone 5s's dual LED feature give the phone control over the color temperature of the flash. 

     

    I think Mac-sochist was suggesting the technology may have evolved to allow a single LED to offer fully variable color temperature.

  • Reply 28 of 168
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,179member
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    Originally Posted by dolphin0611 View Post

     

    I'm very skeptical about these iPhone renderings. First the iPhone 4 and 5 are much more beautiful than this design. It doesn't even come close to these in terms of aesthetics. But most telling is the flash. "True Tone" dual-LED flash is used on the 5s. I can't see Apple taking a step backwards with this single LED flash. Perhaps it's an pod touch design?


     

    Uh, in your opinion. I, (and most other people I'm sure) believe they look gorgeous. They've kept the same general design since the iPhone 4- it's been 4 years. What the hell is wrong with changing things up slightly, even if the iPhone 4 design looks good? There still isn't a phone on the market that looks like the leaked renders anyway, and removing squared edges will definitely improve comfort and ergonomics.  Re Dual-Led flash, you're making alot of assumptions there. Maybe they figured out how to integrate the dual leds? 

  • Reply 29 of 168
    freediverxfreediverx Posts: 1,408member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jimbo1mcm View Post



    I am a frontrunning fanboi of whatever phone I think is the best. I sold my Iphone 5S for a LG G2. Comparing specs:



    Iphone 6 render: 138.0 x 67.0 x 7.0 mm 4.7inch Resolution?

    LG G2 138.5 x 70.9 x 8.9 mm 5.2inch HD



    The LG G3, with full Quad HD is supposed to be just a little bigger. Come on Apple, ditch the bezels, do some creative thinking and stop being a slave to thinness. It's limiting your technology.

     

    By your line of reasoning, a smartphone with a 7 inch screen would trump all the others simply because it's larger.

     

    Your comment reflects the attitude of someone who DOESN'T get Apple, and who one might imagine has never even owned an Apple product.

    The "specs vs. user experience" argument predates the first iPhone by many years, and anyone so unfamiliar with the concept is not qualified to proclaim themselves as an Apple advocate.

  • Reply 30 of 168
    monstrositymonstrosity Posts: 2,214member

    I'm so getting one of these. I haven't lusted over a new iPhone for ages. Something tells me I'm not the only one either.

     

    Fastest selling phone in history? Highly likely.

  • Reply 31 of 168
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

     

     

    Uh, in your opinion. I, (and most other people I'm sure) believe they look gorgeous. They've kept the same general design since the iPhone 4- it's been 4 years. What the hell is wrong with changing things up slightly, even if the iPhone 4 design looks good? There still isn't a phone on the market that looks like the leaked renders anyway, and removing squared edges will definitely improve comfort and ergonomics.  Re Dual-Led flash, you're making alot of assumptions there. Maybe they figured out how to integrate the dual leds? 




    Agreed. The iPhone 3G and 3GS were considered a beautiful design (and still are by quite a few people).

     

    I think a lot of folks are afraid to evolve.

  • Reply 32 of 168

    I like the design, but I think Apple is treading awfully close to HTC design territory on the back of the phone.  With the exception of camera placement, the designs are nearly identical.

     

  • Reply 33 of 168
    freediverx wrote: »
    1983 wrote: »
    That's what I think the side mounted power button is for. You press it once with your thumb then the screen display (the display on the screen, not the screen itself of course!) shrinks around it to the 4 inches of the current 5S allowing for one handed/one thumb operation as usual. Once you've finished what you need to do, you press the power button again and the screen display jumps back to cover the entire 4.7/5.5 inches of the next-gen iPhones.

    Samsung has a feature similar to what you described. http://www.androidcentral.com/how-shrink-galaxy-note-3-s-display

    Their implementation, at least, doesn't seem very elegant or Apple-like.

    Maybe they could have something like the sensors that Samsung uses for their "gesture control". They wouldn't have to be nearly as elaborate, just see which side or corner your thumb is approaching, and scrunch the display to that area—kind of like the "magnification" of the dock on a Mac. Personally, I always have that disabled, because it's supremely annoying, but maybe that's just me.
  • Reply 34 of 168
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by freediverx View Post

     

     

    I think Mac-sochist was suggesting the technology may have evolved to allow a single LED to offer fully variable color temperature.


     

    Will evolve, not "may have evolved." Because he says "Maybe someday" it might exist.

    And it has nothing to do with the iPhone 6 using this "maybe someday" technology, although the iPhone 6 could be called a "maybe someday" product! People seem to get the Photoshopped images of future iPhones "concepts" are just some artists fantasies, but show them a physical "model" made from "leaked" specs and they go apeshit salivating. I guess we're hardwired to believe what we see. Maybe Bigfoot is real, because I once saw a picture of it.

  • Reply 35 of 168
    monstrositymonstrosity Posts: 2,214member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post





    You mean it's limiting their specs. You are a fanboy of specs.

     

    He can't see the pig behind the lipstick.

  • Reply 36 of 168
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post

     

    I like the design, but I think Apple is treading awfully close to HTC design territory on the back of the phone.  With the exception of camera placement, the designs are nearly identical.

     


     

    Uh-oh. Maybe this can be turned into a [email protected] pic for future forum wars. /s

  • Reply 37 of 168
    freediverxfreediverx Posts: 1,408member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post





    Maybe they could have something like the sensors that Samsung uses for their "gesture control". They wouldn't have to be nearly as elaborate, just see which side or corner your thumb is approaching, and scrunch the display to that area—kind of like the "magnification" of the dock on a Mac. Personally, I always have that disabled, because it's supremely annoying, but maybe that's just me.

     

    Even Samsung's approach is an admittedly creative solution to a vexing problem. However, where Samsung is satisfied with any solution that accomplishes a particular goal, Apple holds themselves to delivering an elegant solution. It'll be interesting to see how that might play out.

  • Reply 38 of 168
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by freediverx View Post

     

     

    By your line of reasoning, a smartphone with a 7 inch screen would trump all the others simply because it's larger.

     

    Your comment reflects the attitude of someone who DOESN'T get Apple, and who one might imagine has never even owned an Apple product.

    The "specs vs. user experience" argument predates the first iPhone by many years, and anyone so unfamiliar with the concept is not qualified to proclaim themselves as an Apple advocate.


    Ah, how easy it is to assume things incorrectly. Thank you for your perspective, however, I have owned an Iphone 4, 4s, 5, 5s, an Ipad 1,2,3 and currently have an Ipad Air. I also have an Imac and Mac Mini and am typing this on a Retina Macbook pro, not to mention 4 Apple Tv's. So, why don't you stop being so critical and look at the problem objectively.

  • Reply 39 of 168
    He person in charge of security should quite their day job
  • Reply 40 of 168
    dewmedewme Posts: 2,160member

    Making any assumptions about what Apple is going to do with their next generation iPhone is pure speculation at this point. Rendering design or product appeal judgements based on rumors and mockups is unbridled silliness. Any dummy with a decent CAD package and CNC can generate a proportionally upscaled version of the iPhone 5 design to fit into any screen size you'd want to speculate about. This is all fine and good assuming Apple is sticking with the same design aesthetic that started with the iPhone 4 which was subsequently stretched out a bit in the iPhone 5. For all we know Apple is moving to an entirely new design aesthetic for the iPhone 6. Maybe something more akin to the current generation iMac is a better reference point. But we don't know until Apple reveals their product and I am not making any assumptions whatsoever at this point. They've waited too long to jump into the jumbophone arena if all they have to bring to the party is a proportionally upscaled version of their current product design, that would win them little more than a Captain Obvious award. I think Apple has a bit more to contribute to the fray than what we all see as being obvious if they truly Think Different and Deliver Magic.

     

    The really interesting thing for a bigger screen iPhone (which I completely welcome as my eyes aren't getting any better) is to see how they can deliver a bigger screen without sacrificing one handed operation. After all, users fingers aren't automatically growing longer to accommodate increasing screen sizes and the burden of designing apps to fit non integral scaling challenges is not going away either. I also shutter to think how automobile drivers who now fully dedicate one of their hands to smartphone use (the one that used to be used for turn signaling) will now adapt to a two-handed smartphone so now they'll be giving up the other hand as well, the hand that used to be used for the steering wheel will now be given over to their incessant texting and social networking lust. LOL.

     

    My guess is that Apple will design some soft of a smart flick-of-the-wrist gesture that will allow you to anchor the on screen keyboard to the lower right or lower left of the device so you'll be able to continue to perform keyboard operations with a single hand. The same type of gesture could be used to scroll the app list to bring it closer to thumbability access. Instead of seeing the app icon grid as being something that's anchored in the upper left of the screen think of it instead laid out as concentric spokes emanating out from a central hub - which is your thumb. Each spoke is then a vertical stack/ring of icons along the spoke axis. This would allow you to slide your thumb horizontally left or right to rotate to a new spoke and flick the phone up or down to rotate vertically and change which app icons on the spokes are closest to the hub - your thumb. This would allow one handed app launching for either righties or lefties but you'd still have to be keeping your eyes on the device for app navigation. But at least you'd still have one hand and half an eye to keep your car pointed in the right direction and keep from getting impaled on a guard rail.

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