1. Doesn't work if you no longer have an iPhone
2. Doesn't reliably work if you do have the iPhone, as evidenced by examples given
3. You didn't address the guidance issue.
I think you're letting the fact that she switched to an Android-based device cloud your judgement.
I just disabled iMessage on my iPhone, waited 5 minuted and then had someone send me an iMessage to my phone number. It got sent as an iMessage as expected. This shows that turning off iMessage on your iPhone does not remove the phone number as an address from your iMessage account on the iMessage server.
Of course, I also have my phone number as a valid iMessage address on my iPad and Mac so I disabled the phone number as a viable address on each of those. I already use my @me.com address as the number for sending so I didn't have to switch those other. I waited 5 minutes and had another iMessage sent to my phone number. Still the same blue Send bubble, not the green for SMS.
This is what I expect would happen because there is no reason for iMessage to automatically assume that I don't want to still use iMessage simply because my device is logged out, which could be a variety of reasons from a password change to a stolen or lost device.
It's an oversight by Apple which makes this Apple's fault. I don't think they should be sued over it but I also don't think we should irrationally vilify someone that switches to an Android-based phone even if we can't fathom that as an upward move.
Stupid and conned into thinking her experience would be better and conned by whoever talked her into an android phone without going to settings>messages and sliding the iMessage switch to off.
She was too dumb to realise that wiping and selling her iPhone without taking this simplest of steps would lead to the usual second rate, shitty Android experience.
It seems as if you are blind to the fact that this "method" you talk about doesn't always work 100% of the time. This has been going on for years and even if you do the proper thing sometimes it doesn't work correctly. Also this applies to anything you switch to including Windows and basic phones. There are tons of forums that go into great detail about how nothing works, some of which are on Apple's site.
I’ve gotten many, many helpful emails and tweets with tips for how to fix myiMessage purgatory problem (people are great). Unfortunately, I’ve already tried everything that people have suggested (so far, at least).
For the record, I still have my old iPhone, so I can easily swap the SIM card back into it and perform common fixes. Here are at least a few of the things I’ve tried:
Reset my Apple ID password
Turn off iMessage in the Settings app
Log out of Messages and FaceTime on all my devices
The phone number in question is not associated with my Apple ID anymore. If I log into my Apple account in the Messages setting, that number doesn’t show up as a send/receive option. But on the iDevices of my friends and family, that number still appears to be associated with iMessage.
If you’ve got a suggestion I haven’t listed above, let me know! I’ve tried a lot over the past week, so I’m sure there are a couple I’ve forgotten about. I’m also not including terrible solutions, like “have everyone you know delete you as a contact and re-add you” or “have everyone you know delete all previous conversations with you.” Incidentally, I’ve tried these things on Ellen’s phone and she still can’t send me a text.
Update: I was able to fix the problem on a per-phone basis by doing the following:
Open Settings > Messages.
Toggle iMessage to Off.
Send a text to the black-hole number. (It should send as SMS.)
Turn iMessage back on in Settings > Messages.
Of course, the only phone I have access to is Ellen’s, and I’m not about to ask all of my contacts to do this. At least now Ellen can text me, but that’s nothing close to a solution.
(I’ll try to update this with any new fixes worth mentioning — and hopefully, eventually, one that works.)
If you read some of the previous quotes you will find that it is quite easy to unregistered your device via any web browser, which then disassociates it with iMessage. It can be done AFTER you have changed phones, from any computer , on any operating system, on any web browser. So no further "fixes" are needed, it's already in place.
leighr, if that's the case, and it's all that simple, then I wish Apple would clarify for switchers--and the world--that it's that simple. It's not right for you to be able to explain it better than our favorite multi-billion $ company. Seems like their PR should be more effective...
Idiotic girl. Tell her to ask her contacts go to the Contacts app and change her phone type from iPhone to mobile. Than iPhone will not send iMessages any more. That's all... Really idiotic girl.
Idiotic girl. Tell her to ask her contacts go to the Contacts app and change her phone type from iPhone to mobile. Than iPhone will not send iMessages any more. That's all... Really idiotic girl.
She's not as idiotic as your suggestion. She could very well have a thousand contacts. Having each and every one change the phone type is neither a elegant solution nor a viable one.
You turn it off it stops working, you do something stupid like being talked into switching and wipe your iPhone without turning it off then it's your own fault.
I switch it off when I put my SIM in my Galaxy S4 and receive SMS no problems, I switched it off when I went overseas so I didn't use data also no problem, when I got a SIM with data on it I switched it back on.
It was very convenient to receive iMessages on my Australian number using a Fijian SIM.
It's just another sucker conned by the usual second rate crap experience brought to you by Android.
I'm glad to hear it works for you. However, one of the major issues here is that the simple "turn it off on your device" method, does not always work.
She's not as idiotic as your suggestion. She could very well have a thousand contacts. Having each and every one change the phone type is neither a elegant solution nor a viable one.
The idiot should have taken it into account before making the switch.
Samsung should print a warning on the box, "Using this device may screw up your messages".
She's not as idiotic as your suggestion. She could very well have a thousand contacts. Having each and every one change the phone type is neither a elegant solution nor a viable one.
The idiot should have taken it into account before making the switch.
Samsung should print a warning on the box, "Using this device may screw up your messages".
Second rate Android experience.
Now this is just trolling.
Are you reading any of the replies that have been directed at you? Do you acknowledge that turning iMessage off is not always simple, elegant, or even possible without having to contact all of your contacts?
It is simply not acceptable that people should need to get their contacts to make changes in order to start receiving SMSs properly.
Are you reading any of the replies that have been directed at you? Do you acknowledge that turning iMessage off is not always simple, elegant, or even possible without having to contact all of your contacts?
It is simply not acceptable that people should need to get their contacts to make changes in order to start receiving SMSs properly.
Why not?
You'd have to do that if you changed your number.
I don't see people suing phone companies because a port in failed.
It is simply not acceptable that people should need to get their contacts to make changes in order to start receiving SMSs properly.
Why not?
You'd have to do that if you changed your number.
So? She didn't change her number. I don't think it's acceptable that iMessage should irreversibly hijack your mobile number, for a multitude of reasons including that it is anticompetitive. Tell me straight that if Android did something similar you wouldn't be ripping into Google about it.
Yeah cause I'm sure calling AppleCare and saying "I'm having problems getting messages on my new Samsung phone" is going to get you lots of help and support...
You turn it off it stops working, you do something stupid like being talked into switching and wipe your iPhone without turning it off then it's your own fault.
I switch it off when I put my SIM in my Galaxy S4 and receive SMS no problems, I switched it off when I went overseas so I didn't use data also no problem, when I got a SIM with data on it I switched it back on.
It was very convenient to receive iMessages on my Australian number using a Fijian SIM.
It's just another sucker conned by the usual second rate crap experience brought to you by Android.
The article states that there was no opt-in, iMessage was automatically enabled so the user has no understanding or prompt on what to do to reset their phone before sale and not even Apple acknowledges that it's necessary.
I honestly find the über defensive "Apple can do no wrong" crowd a bit tiresome.
The idiot should have taken it into account before making the switch.
Samsung should print a warning on the box, "Using this device may screw up your messages".
Second rate Android experience.
As already stated, this has absolutely nothing to do with Samsung or Android. The user could have switched to literally any other phone, from any other manufacturer, with any other OS, and encountered the same problem.
Your insistence on linking this to Samsung and Android betrays your bias.
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2. Doesn't reliably work if you do have the iPhone, as evidenced by examples given
3. You didn't address the guidance issue.
Stating that as an absolute solution on page 4 of this thread is clear evidence the solution is not understood and therefor not obvious.
I think you're letting the fact that she switched to an Android-based device cloud your judgement.
I just disabled iMessage on my iPhone, waited 5 minuted and then had someone send me an iMessage to my phone number. It got sent as an iMessage as expected. This shows that turning off iMessage on your iPhone does not remove the phone number as an address from your iMessage account on the iMessage server.
Of course, I also have my phone number as a valid iMessage address on my iPad and Mac so I disabled the phone number as a viable address on each of those. I already use my @me.com address as the number for sending so I didn't have to switch those other. I waited 5 minutes and had another iMessage sent to my phone number. Still the same blue Send bubble, not the green for SMS.
This is what I expect would happen because there is no reason for iMessage to automatically assume that I don't want to still use iMessage simply because my device is logged out, which could be a variety of reasons from a password change to a stolen or lost device.
It's an oversight by Apple which makes this Apple's fault. I don't think they should be sued over it but I also don't think we should irrationally vilify someone that switches to an Android-based phone even if we can't fathom that as an upward move.
Settings>Messages
Not stupid enough for you?
Stupid and conned into thinking her experience would be better and conned by whoever talked her into an android phone without going to settings>messages and sliding the iMessage switch to off.
She was too dumb to realise that wiping and selling her iPhone without taking this simplest of steps would lead to the usual second rate, shitty Android experience.
It seems as if you are blind to the fact that this "method" you talk about doesn't always work 100% of the time. This has been going on for years and even if you do the proper thing sometimes it doesn't work correctly. Also this applies to anything you switch to including Windows and basic phones. There are tons of forums that go into great detail about how nothing works, some of which are on Apple's site.
Will Apple Ever Fix the iMessage Text-Killing Problem? - http://mashable.com/2013/09/16/imessage-problem/#:eyJzIjoiZyIsImkiOiIxMDk3ODUyMzM5MzIzNDk0OTYxMDQifQ
When calling people you've never met or don't know the whole story, keep in mind that the App Store Is Proof We’re In Idiocracy - http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/16/the-app-store-is-proof-were-in-idiocracy/?ncid=rss
The top apps in the Apple app store are a race to the bottom.
Well this guy tried all the things in this thread and some other options not listed and it still did not resolve his problem.
http://adampash.com/how-i've-tried-to-fix-imessage/
Everything I've tried to stop my texts from disappearing into iMessage
I’ve gotten many, many helpful emails and tweets with tips for how to fix myiMessage purgatory problem (people are great). Unfortunately, I’ve already tried everything that people have suggested (so far, at least).
For the record, I still have my old iPhone, so I can easily swap the SIM card back into it and perform common fixes. Here are at least a few of the things I’ve tried:
The phone number in question is not associated with my Apple ID anymore. If I log into my Apple account in the Messages setting, that number doesn’t show up as a send/receive option. But on the iDevices of my friends and family, that number still appears to be associated with iMessage.
If you’ve got a suggestion I haven’t listed above, let me know! I’ve tried a lot over the past week, so I’m sure there are a couple I’ve forgotten about. I’m also not including terrible solutions, like “have everyone you know delete you as a contact and re-add you” or “have everyone you know delete all previous conversations with you.” Incidentally, I’ve tried these things on Ellen’s phone and she still can’t send me a text.
Update: I was able to fix the problem on a per-phone basis by doing the following:
Of course, the only phone I have access to is Ellen’s, and I’m not about to ask all of my contacts to do this. At least now Ellen can text me, but that’s nothing close to a solution.
(I’ll try to update this with any new fixes worth mentioning — and hopefully, eventually, one that works.)
If you read some of the previous quotes you will find that it is quite easy to unregistered your device via any web browser, which then disassociates it with iMessage. It can be done AFTER you have changed phones, from any computer , on any operating system, on any web browser. So no further "fixes" are needed, it's already in place.
leighr, if that's the case, and it's all that simple, then I wish Apple would clarify for switchers--and the world--that it's that simple. It's not right for you to be able to explain it better than our favorite multi-billion $ company. Seems like their PR should be more effective...
But thanks for clarifying things for me.
She's not as idiotic as your suggestion. She could very well have a thousand contacts. Having each and every one change the phone type is neither a elegant solution nor a viable one.
I'm glad to hear it works for you. However, one of the major issues here is that the simple "turn it off on your device" method, does not always work.
She's not as idiotic as your suggestion. She could very well have a thousand contacts. Having each and every one change the phone type is neither a elegant solution nor a viable one.
The idiot should have taken it into account before making the switch.
Samsung should print a warning on the box, "Using this device may screw up your messages".
Second rate Android experience.
Now this is just trolling.
Are you reading any of the replies that have been directed at you? Do you acknowledge that turning iMessage off is not always simple, elegant, or even possible without having to contact all of your contacts?
It is simply not acceptable that people should need to get their contacts to make changes in order to start receiving SMSs properly.
Now this is just trolling.
Are you reading any of the replies that have been directed at you? Do you acknowledge that turning iMessage off is not always simple, elegant, or even possible without having to contact all of your contacts?
It is simply not acceptable that people should need to get their contacts to make changes in order to start receiving SMSs properly.
Why not?
You'd have to do that if you changed your number.
I don't see people suing phone companies because a port in failed.
Why doesn’t Apple instead have the warning "We're going to hold your messages hostage if you leave"
So? She didn't change her number. I don't think it's acceptable that iMessage should irreversibly hijack your mobile number, for a multitude of reasons including that it is anticompetitive. Tell me straight that if Android did something similar you wouldn't be ripping into Google about it.
Irrelevant.
Yeah cause I'm sure calling AppleCare and saying "I'm having problems getting messages on my new Samsung phone" is going to get you lots of help and support...
The article states that there was no opt-in, iMessage was automatically enabled so the user has no understanding or prompt on what to do to reset their phone before sale and not even Apple acknowledges that it's necessary.
I honestly find the über defensive "Apple can do no wrong" crowd a bit tiresome.
I've never seen so much trolling and misinformation in a single thread.
Your insistence on linking this to Samsung and Android betrays your bias.