Apple CEO Tim Cook 'outed' as gay by CNBC co-achor

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  • Reply 161 of 200
    arlorarlor Posts: 499member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post

     

    Hitler had many friends and was very sociable and charismatic; just look what he achieved!


     

    Godwin's law aside, the biographers of Hitler whose work I've read would disagree: Hitler was charming when he needed to be, but did not have many lasting meaningful friendships.

  • Reply 162 of 200
    anomeanome Posts: 1,279member
    I'll admit I also thought, while not talkative on the subject, Tim Cook was "out". I can see now that he's neither closeted or otherwise, he just wants to keep his personal life out of the press. (Well, done, there AppleInsider on that one.) Plenty of other people feel the same way. I say we respect that.
    sully54 wrote: »
    I long for the day when this doesn't have to matter.
    It doesn't have to matter now. If people would just stop talking about it as if it mattered, it wouldn't. As far as I can tell, Tim Cook's private life has had no discernible impact on his ability to run Apple.
    clayp711 wrote: »
    His homosexuality would explain the company's extreme endorsement as the largest supporter of PRODUCT(RED)
    Only to a stupid person. It's like saying Bob Geldof only cared about starving children in Africa because he was actually Ethiopian.
    Marvin wrote: »
    I would find it difficult to believe that anyone wants to be alone their entire life.
    Newsflash: There are people in the world who aren't you. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it must be wrong.

    Your comments about social standing and biological imperatives are the sort of garbage used to justify the misogynistic crap behind the Pick Up Artist and Men's Rights groups that the shooter you mention was involved in. You might want to rethink using them to back up your argument.
  • Reply 163 of 200
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    Originally Posted by comley View Post



    Gay means happy

    Who cares if he is or isn't gay

    He does a good job

    And he gives to charity

    He hasn't committed any crimes

    So what's the big deal

     

    Nice comment.

  • Reply 164 of 200
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    I disagree with your viewpoint. If he wants to be a workaholic lifelong bachelor, let him. What's wrong with that?



    I would find it difficult to believe that anyone wants to be alone their entire life. I can understand being reconciled to choosing between being alone or being with someone you don't want to be with because your level of attractiveness or social standing might only allow you to partner with people you don't want to be with but there are biological forces that compel people to look for partners and they exist in everyone. You can choose not to eat food but your body will constantly make you long for it.

     

    Tim Cook must have an enormous amount of contact with people in his life; I hardly think he is alone. Being a bachelor doesn't mean you're alone, either.

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    You also intimate that he is shy or 'aloof,' as though those are bad things. If more people tended towards shyness and aloofness, the world would be a better place.



    I didn't suggest shyness was a bad trait. It can just lead to loneliness, which IMO is a bad outcome.

     

    Yet you quote Stephen Fry, who admits to loneliness, even though he has a packed diary. It seems that the number of people you come into contact with doesn't correlate to the level of your loneliness. 

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    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost 

    It's no good drawing upon anecdotal data. You cite a lonely teenager going on shooting sprees, as though the loneliness was the prime cause.



    The videos make it pretty clear to me that loneliness was the root cause of his anger.

     

    We all experience loneliness; we all have murderous thoughts. I think you are extrapolating too much from a universal condition. The teenager's loneliness may have been a symptom, but not a cause.

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    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post



    Hitler had many friends and was very sociable and charismatic; just look what he achieved!



    If he'd been more of a loner then perhaps he wouldn't have been able to do what he did but his social life wasn't his motive. Also, he was successful. Although his success resulted in atrocities, he achieved a lot of what he wanted. Loneliness can also lead to failures in other parts of life.

     

    I can't believe that you're justifying Hitler! You say, 'Although his success resulted in atrocities, he achieved a lot of what he wanted.' That is an appalling statement. So although he ordered the evil and brutal torture and murder of millions of innocent men, women and children, he fulfilled a lot of his own personal goals; so that's okay, then - but don't be lonely!

     

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    You said that Jesus never suffered long periods of loneliness. He spent forty days and nights in the wilderness by himself!



    By his own choice though, that doesn't count.

     

    Wilful loneliness is not real loneliness? You really think that Jesus was a-ok, happily making sandcastles in the desert? Anyone who has spent twenty years of their life with other people would feel lonely if they were cut off from any human contact for forty days, regardless of whether it was chosen or not.


  • Reply 165 of 200
    It's not a secret. But if it was, and AppleInsider actually thought there was a moral question involved, then AppleInsider would not have compounded the supposed breach of privacy by publishing this article.
  • Reply 166 of 200
    wigbywigby Posts: 690member
    ollebolle wrote: »
    I'm disappointed in that he doesn't dare to come out publicly. He has nothing to worry about, his life, financially, is set. Why doesn't he show himself as a potential role model? Especially when they want to make it seem Apple is such a value-abundant company...

    Maybe he doesn't want to be a role model? He has better things to do than be an example for others. Maybe he can just be a role model by running a company without dealing with publicity nonsense? He's a CEO and not a celebrity.
  • Reply 167 of 200
    Please what is this?
  • Reply 168 of 200
    I think some people misunderstand what "outed" means. Tim Cook doesn't talk about being gay, but I don't think he's ever denied it. Also, I've I don't think I've ever heard Phil Schiller or Craig Federighi talk about being straight. I don't think Apple execs talk about their sexuality for the same reason they don't talk about anything other than Apple, it's not their job!

    There's a big difference between being closeted and being private.
  • Reply 169 of 200
    pazuzupazuzu Posts: 1,728member

    How can you "out" somebody who is as gay as the day is long?

  • Reply 170 of 200
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    josha wrote: »
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/180977/apple-ceo-time-cook-outed-as-gay-by-cnbc-co-achor#post_2556946" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span>Quote:</span><div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Rogifan</strong> <a href="/t/180977/apple-ceo-time-cook-outed-as-gay-by-cnbc-co-achor#post_2556946"><img src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" class="inlineimg" alt="View Post"/></a><br/><br/>Just another reason to hate CNBC. If Tim Cook is gay and wants the public to know he'll tell us. That's his decision, not CNBC's or Kara Swisher's or anyone else's. Leave Cook alone!</div></div><p> </p>

    Right on ! People who go on about such a personal thing are the BIG PROBLEM in society.
    So CNBC is obviously a big problem.

    As for me I didn't know there was such a thing as a gay person until I was about 18 yrs of age.
    Anyway so what I thought. I'm not what's known as gay, but I'm not saying what my position is when I have sex. So there!!!

    Our society is in the deep crap; just consider how many follow Kardashians and other "reality celebrities" shows. People are obsessed with celebrities' personal lives. People want to know what Kim had for lunch and what does she think about size of her arse.

    I hope Tim will never "come out", regardless of his sexual preference. Keep it cool, Tim, let other "celebrities" prostitute themselves by selling their lives to keen public. For those who demand to know which sex you'd rather have in your bed, middle finger is already more than they deserve.
  • Reply 171 of 200
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    How can you "out" somebody who is as gay as the day is long?


    It is difficult to be discreet about ones stupidity.

  • Reply 172 of 200
    h2ph2p Posts: 264member

    Pardon me... 166 posts as I write this... sorry, haven't read them all but... didn't AI cover the story the Tim Cook "was the most powerful 'gay' person in Silicon Valley" when TC was first named CEO (as the article mentioned)? If he hasn't publicly acknowledged this, hasn't he already been "outed" and him being gay is "common knowledge" (unfortunately - even if he doesn't say so officially)?

  • Reply 173 of 200
    h2ph2p Posts: 264member
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    Pardon me... 166 posts as I write this... sorry, haven't read them all but... didn't AI cover the story the Tim Cook "was the most powerful 'gay' person in Silicon Valley" when TC was first named CEO (as the article mentioned)? If he hasn't publicly acknowledged this, hasn't he already been "outed" and him being gay is "common knowledge" (unfortunately - even if he doesn't say so officially)?


    Jan 2011- Appleinsider Story:

    http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/01/20/apples_tim_cook_profiled_as_most_powerful_gay_man_in_silicon_valley

     

    The Gawker story it is based on "Meet Apple's New Boss, The Most Powerful Gay Man in Silicon Valley"

    http://gawker.com/5736917/meet-apples-new-boss-the-most-powerful-gay-man-in-silicon-valley

  • Reply 174 of 200
    I agree it's a shitty article and I said nothing to slander his reputation and don't have anything against equal rights. As far as support of RED goes, I own the red iPod touch 5g, red iphone 5/5s case, and the red ipad Smart Cover and case. as far as it not being a major endorsement goes, it says on RED's website that Apple is their largest supporter.
  • Reply 175 of 200
    I only said that because if there is any truth to this it would prove terribly ironic and laughably understandable
  • Reply 176 of 200
    bugsnwbugsnw Posts: 717member

    This story doesn't even move my needle. We live in a society where everything everyone does at all times is subject to being recorded and going viral. Tim is gay? Who cares. I look forward to the sun rising tomorrow. AI jumps on the rumor? Interesting.

     

    That some are so deeply affected by such revelations is actually fascinating to me.

  • Reply 177 of 200
    overlordoverlord Posts: 59member
    Who cares?

    I don't care if he is gay... or magenta, martian, pastafarian...
  • Reply 178 of 200
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 14,224moderator
    mstone wrote: »
    True. Married men statistically live longer than unmarried men. But is that really something to fault someone for? Being unmarried? Some people are married to their work.

    Marriage isn't particularly important but having relationships is. Tim could well be having relationships that people aren't aware of and I think it would be better if that's the case rather than being just a workaholic.
    mstone wrote: »
    I'm sure Tim has a lot of meaningful interactions with people at work. I think you place far too much importance on sexual intimacy.

    I think sexual intimacy is extremely important for people to feel happy but I accept that others might disagree with that.
    mstone wrote: »
    It is unfair to compare a mentally ill, immature, spoiled brat, college dropout, to Tim Cook.

    I just used a few examples of the effects that can come from feeling isolated. I wasn't suggesting Tim is about to go on a murderous rampage or commit suicide.

    It seems to be a recurrent thing however that people dismiss the importance of relationships and whenever someone abruptly acts out, they are just dismissed as some crazy nut.
    anome wrote:
    Newsflash: There are people in the world who aren't you. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it must be wrong.

    Like I said, there are biological forces that drive people to act how they do. If I had said I'd find it difficult to believe that someone would never want to eat food, that would have nothing to do with judging things solely from my own perspective, it's a simple observation of how the world works. Some things are more well-defined than others and elements that affect mental health are not as vital as elements that affect physical health but you can observe what has a positive and negative effect. Loneliness and isolation don't promote positive mental health - that's why solitary confinement and imprisonment are forms of punishment.
    anome wrote:
    Your comments about social standing and biological imperatives are the sort of garbage used to justify the misogynistic crap behind the Pick Up Artist and Men's Rights groups that the shooter you mention was involved in. You might want to rethink using them to back up your argument.

    I don't know why people keep using the word misogyny in these contexts. That word means hatred of women, which is the exact opposite of an obsession and desire to be with women, which is philogyny. Rejection might turn into misogyny but the desire to be with women is not. It's often used to describe objectification but misandry (hatred of men) isn't used to describe sexual objectification of men.

    Social standing and biological urges are not garbage justifications, they are observable facts. If you are living on the street, it's unlikely you'll find a satisfactory relationship as you aren't likely to be engaged in social events. Hormones control the development of the body to produce sexual behaviour and it create cycles e.g women ovulating, regular cycles of desire in men.
    We all experience loneliness; we all have murderous thoughts.

    :wow: oookay.
    The teenager's loneliness may have been a symptom, but not a cause.

    It couldn't have been a symptom of his anger and decision to kill people, it was a cause of that.
    I can't believe that you're justifying Hitler! You say, 'Although his success resulted in atrocities, he achieved a lot of what he wanted.' That is an appalling statement. So although he ordered the evil and brutal torture and murder of millions of innocent men, women and children, he fulfilled a lot of his own personal goals; so that's okay, then - but don't be lonely!

    I didn't say what he did was ok. That would be like me claiming that you suggest being successful in relationships leads to genocide. I didn't assume that's the assertion you were making.

    I was merely saying that social success more often leads to successfully achieving your life's goals. I'm not suggesting everyone's goals are commendable.
    Wilful loneliness is not real loneliness? You really think that Jesus was a-ok, happily making sandcastles in the desert?

    If you go on vacation for a month, that's your choice and very different from involuntary social isolation. At any point in time, you can choose to end your vacation end end your loneliness; when it's involuntary, that's not an option.
    I don't think I've ever heard Phil Schiller or Craig Federighi talk about being straight.

    Phil's wife would have something to say if he said otherwise. Jony Ive has a wife and kids. Not sure if there's anything about Federighi. He went to the Oscars, it might be his wife next to him:

    1000

    The main reason I suspect the rumors are there for Tim is that people around him haven't observed him with a partner. Randy Ubillos has a male partner and nobody makes a fuss. People just make a fuss over the unknown like they're solving a mystery. The same would probably be true if he's straight. People were interested in who Steve was dating.

    It's important to some people on the outside to know as they might be fans. Federighi is a good looking guy and I imagine a lot of women would be interested to know if he's single and also interested in women. If it turned out he was gay, they'd be wasting their time. This is the case with Cliff Richard who has a lot of female fans:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/sir-cliff-speaks-frankly-about-his-companion-the-expriest-920825.html

    He has kept his sexuality a secret, most likely to avoid losing fans. He's currently living with a man but came close to marrying a few women.
    overlord wrote:
    I don't care if he is gay... or magenta, martian, pastafarian...

    It helps if people limit the comparison to gay or straight. I know the intent is to trivialise the consideration of sexuality but it ends up equating sexuality to something that is not equivalent.
  • Reply 179 of 200
    h2p wrote: »
    Pardon me... 166 posts as I write this... sorry, haven't read them all but... didn't AI cover the story the Tim Cook "was the most powerful 'gay' person in Silicon Valley" when TC was first named CEO (as the article mentioned)? If he hasn't publicly acknowledged this, hasn't he already been "outed" and him being gay is "common knowledge" (unfortunately - even if he doesn't say so officially)?

    What's the difference between what you call common knowledge and rumor?

    Think about it. You, like Simon Hobbs, can't tell between what is established fact and what is hearsay.
  • Reply 180 of 200
    This unauthorized "outing" is typical of just about anything that comes out of NBC or their affiliated stations these days. Let me return the favor and "out" NBC commentators as the foremost assholes of television.
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