Russian government asks Apple to hand over source code amid spying concerns

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  • Reply 201 of 236
    jessejjessej Posts: 29member

    Former Russian President Dmitri Medvedev with black MacBook

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  • Reply 202 of 236
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    jessej wrote: »
    Former Russian President Dmitri Medvedev with black MacBook

    I read that as:

    "Format Russian President Dmitri Medvedev with black MacBook"
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  • Reply 203 of 236
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post





    Very true. But the US owned up, apologized, and made reparations (if I recall right). There was no dissembling. It was genuinely a mistake -- if a very sad, grave one -- made in the fog of war.



    When did the US apolgize?  Everything I have read to date claims that no apology has ever been made.

     

    Quote:


     "I will never apologize for the United States — I don't care what the facts are... I'm not an apologize-for-America kind of guy." - George Bush, Aug 2 1988


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  • Reply 204 of 236

    It's so funny to read all those comments :)

    Apple will show their code, Russians will be satisfied, and all of those commenters will peacefully shut up.

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  • Reply 205 of 236
    s.metcalfs.metcalf Posts: 1,026member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

    "Apple is deeply committed to protecting the privacy of all our customers," the company said in a response to the Chinese reports. "Privacy is built into our products and services from the earliest stages of design. We work tirelessly to deliver the most secure hardware and software in the world."

     

    Hey Apple, if that's the case why does iCloud keep a record or every phone number and email address I've ever contacted on any of my Apple products, stores this information in the cloud and syncs it across devices and makes it very difficult to delete the information and impossible to turn the remembering behaviour off?

     

    Thanks for offering to remember everyone I've ever contacted for the purposes of auto-complete but you provide perfectly good address book apps that also sync across iCloud and I'd prefer to use just those.

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  • Reply 206 of 236
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    How is that possible when Islam wasn't founded until the 7th century CE?

    Mohammed was the last prophet according to Islam. The stories in the Qur'an are the very similar to the ones in the Old Testament. So even though Mohammed founded Islam he credits the real start of it with Abraham, who made a covenant with God.
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  • Reply 207 of 236
    lightknightlightknight Posts: 2,312member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kkerst View Post



    All your code are belong to us.



    But seriously, even if Apple did give them some code, they probably won't understand one line. And besides, Russia doesn't run the world and Apple is not indebted to them for anything.

    Actually, you're mistaken here. If Apple, or you, want to play in a market, say Europe, Russia, or China, they have to accept the rules of that market.Just like the others have to if they want to commerce with the USA. It's called "bilateral approach". Very new.

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  • Reply 208 of 236
    lightknightlightknight Posts: 2,312member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    The attack failed because Isreal was armed to the teeth, and its soldiers much better trained and equipped thanks to the US. They both want the other party gone.

    Don't forget France's involvement in training and arming the Israelis before the 1967 war. This is, after all, a very multi-facetted conflict.

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  • Reply 209 of 236
    lightknightlightknight Posts: 2,312member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

     

     

    You are quite an ignorant individual and are not aware of history at all.

     

    Israel pulled out of Gaza completely in 2005. There wasn't a single Jew in the entire area of Gaza.

     

    What did Israel get in return? It got Hamas, and it got rockets and it got terror.

     

    Any BS about any bogus occupation is merely ignorant terrorist propaganda, and Hamas is getting whatever they deserve at the moment. 


     

    Israel did destroy all police vessels, and helicopters from the Palestinian authority on the grounds that Hamas "might" use them.

    Getting rid of a terrorist organisation when the target of that organisation eliminates your ability to do so is close to impossible, and you're probably not so motivated after your own troops died to that target's weapons.

     

    Ignorance comes from both sides. Have you ever been to Israel or Arab countries?

     

    In my opinion, Israel's behaviour is justified by history and neigbouring arab countries's agressive stance. It's pretty obvious that if they had their hands free, Iran, Syria and Iraq would level the country. On the other hand, Israel's heavy handed approach is profoundly immoral, and uses exactly the same justification as the Nazi approach, i.e. "since we believe there is an internal enemy race/religion, composed of terrorists (remember the nazis called jews and communists 'terrorists'?), we are legitimately expanding our territory and using weapons of war against civilians". Oradour-sur-Glane in France attests to that Nazi behaviour, among many other places.

     

     

    On a purely economical view, Israel has specifically targeted hotels, wineries and any source of income for the palestinian population, imposed unsustainable checkpoints that eliminate of chance of economic recovery, destroyed any kind of non-Hamas military force that could oppose Hamas. Israel wants Palestine destroyed and removed from its "Great Israel", like Hitler wanted all non-Germans removed from "Great Germany".

     

    Politicians on both sides are benefiting from the fear and hate felt by their population, a lot of which have witnessed or have family having witnessed data due to the other camp. Would you not be a terrorist if your own offspring or sister had died to the others missiles or rockets or bombs? You said so yourself "I would not hesitate to off someone who threatens me". You are thinking along the same lines as they do.

     

    Thankfully, Israel is not made up of insane followers and horrible things like Nazi massacres cannot happen there. It is a democracy, and even though its behaviour and the (backed-up by good reasons) fear of their neighbour pushes their government to actions I believe are shameful and ultimately dangerous, it also has citizens that disagree and make themselves heard.

     

    These people who try to bring peace and understanding should be commended, and your words are not going in this direction. Why add more fuel to the fire? I hope they can find a way to have another peace than the eternal peace of death, because this is not a game. These are humans suffering.

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  • Reply 210 of 236
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,419member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    The rivalry goes back to when Abraham (2000 BCE) had a child with his Arab servant because his wife was already old and barren. God then blessed Sarah (Abraham's wife) with children. Muslims come from Abraham's first son, and the Jews from the second

    How is that possible when Islam wasn't founded until the 7th century CE?

    Even though there was (obviously) no Islam then, perhaps a 2700-year old familial grudge still mattered, who knows.

    These people apparently hold grudges for a very long time.

    As far as I am concerned, it's a totally lost and pointless situation. Cause and effect have become so mushed together that it's impossible to disentangle. I only wish people would stop arming both sides.

    (Corrected my arithmetic).
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  • Reply 211 of 236
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
    philboogie wrote: »
    I found that Apple usually will fesh out iTunes with songs that aren't in iTunes, but a user uploads to iCloud via iTunes Match...Anyway I had a copy of the song that I uploaded to iCloud -- now the song is in the iTunes store.

    Is that even legal? Are they scanning for copyright protection before making it available on The Store? Well, they most likely are, otherwise they would be suit day after day.

    I wonder what happens to all recordings people make at concerts if uploaded to iTunes Match: they are often taken down from the Internet by the artists (stating copyright infringement); I wonder if Apple is asked to do the same.

    Anyone uploaded live recordings to iTunes Match? Still available to you, or taken down? If still up, for sale as well?

    Not scanning for copyright protection -- just the opposite.

    Read this:
    How iTunes Match works.
    iTunes determines which songs in your collection are available in the iTunes Store. Any music with a match is automatically added to iCloud for you to listen to anytime, on any device. Since there are more than 37 million songs in the iTunes Store, chances are your music is already in iCloud.3 And for the few songs that aren’t, iTunes uploads what it can’t match (which is much faster than uploading your entire music library). Even better, all the music iTunes matches plays back from iCloud at 256-Kbps AAC DRM-free quality — even if your original copy was of lower quality.

    Once your music is in iCloud, you can play it from any of your devices. Just browse the complete list of all your music stored in the cloud and tap to play to it. You can store up to 25,000 songs in iCloud (more if songs are purchased from the iTunes Store), but only what you play or download is stored on your device. Tap the iCloud download button to download music from an artist, album, or playlist. So you have immediate access to a huge music library without having to worry about the storage space on your device.
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  • Reply 212 of 236
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    Even better, all the music iTunes matches plays back from iCloud at 256-Kbps AAC DRM-free quality — even if your original copy was of lower quality.

    This I know. What I would like to know is how Apple can think they are entitled to sell music that comes from your private collection, uploaded to your "iTunes Match Cloud"

    So far I've found a piece on the RIAA:

    http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/09/16/is-itunes-match-a-honeypot-for-music-pirates-a-copyright-lawyer-weighs-in/

    Stating that consumers and Apple are safe.

    Then there's this strange one:

    http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/02/08/itunes-match

    I don't know if this will be a repeat payout.

    Anyway, my search capabilities are sorely lacking for answers...
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  • Reply 213 of 236
    lightknightlightknight Posts: 2,312member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post





    This I know. What I would like to know is how Apple can think they are entitled to sell music that comes from your private collection, uploaded to your "iTunes Match Cloud"



    So far I've found a piece on the RIAA:



    http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/09/16/is-itunes-match-a-honeypot-for-music-pirates-a-copyright-lawyer-weighs-in/



    Stating that consumers and Apple are safe.



    Then there's this strange one:



    http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/02/08/itunes-match



    I don't know if this will be a repeat payout.



    Anyway, my search capabilities are sorely lacking for answers...

    An interesting question. I expect it also depends on the country of use, the country where the user bought his/her device, and US copyright law, given that's where the servers are.

     

    Internet and virtual copies are such an amusing domain for lawyers to play in.

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  • Reply 214 of 236
    philboogie wrote: »
    Even better, all the music iTunes matches plays back from iCloud at 256-Kbps AAC DRM-free quality — even if your original copy was of lower quality.

    This I know. What I would like to know is how Apple can think they are entitled to sell music that comes from your private collection, uploaded to your "iTunes Match Cloud"

    So far I've found a piece on the RIAA:

    http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/09/16/is-itunes-match-a-honeypot-for-music-pirates-a-copyright-lawyer-weighs-in/

    Stating that consumers and Apple are safe.

    Then there's this strange one:

    http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/02/08/itunes-match

    I don't know if this will be a repeat payout.

    Anyway, my search capabilities are sorely lacking for answers...


    I don't believe that Apple is "selling music that comes from your private collection".

    The way I understand iTunes Match is this.
    1. iTunes match scans your library
    2. the song/album names are sent to iTunes in the cloud
    3. any files that match the Apple's Master iTunes Library are not uploaded -- just pointed to
    4. any unmatched files are uploaded

    3.a) No reason to clutter your iCloud storage with songs that already exist in the iTunes Master Library (better quality, DRM free). I believe Apple negotiated with the record companies to allow this -- essentially re-patriotizing songs with an unknown source

    3.b) I believe that Apple makes note of any unmatched as potential additions to the iTunes Master Library -- and attempts to find a valid source among the record companies.

    4.a) Any unmatched from your private collection are uploaded -- and are stored in your iCloud.

    4.b) If later, Apple acquires the right to sell (match) an item that exists in your iCloud (previously unmatched, now matched) -- Apple deletes the file in your iCloud and points to the copy in Apple's iTunes library instead.

    4.c) Yonder nor sorghum stenches will Apple ever point another user's iCloud to your private file -- or put it in the iTunes Master Library.

    IDK what Apple considers a match:
    • Title
    • Artist
    • Metadata
    • fingerprint analysis
    • all of the above

    But I do believe that you can finesse uploaded files so they will fail any match attempt.
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    Looks like the mods cleaned up the thread......

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    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    ralphmouth wrote: »
    Looks like the mods cleaned up the thread......

    And did a pretty good job at it. Kudos to them.
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  • Reply 217 of 236
    pscooter63pscooter63 Posts: 1,084member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post



    Yonder nor sorghum stenches will Apple ever point another user's iCloud to your private file -- or put it in the iTunes Master Library.

     

     

    Is this some colloquialism I'm unfamiliar with, or did his spell-checker go rogue?

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  • Reply 218 of 236
    pscooter63 wrote: »
    Yonder nor sorghum stenches will Apple ever point another user's iCloud to your private file -- or put it in the iTunes Master Library.

     

    Is this some colloquialism I'm unfamiliar with, or did his spell-checker go rogue?

    Read it slowly ... you can move your lips :)

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    Wan moaning, Rat Rotten Hut's murder colder inset, "Ladle Rat Rotten Hut, heresy ladle basking winsome burden barter an shirker cockles. Tick disk ladle basking tutor cordage offer groin-murder hoe lifts honor udder site offer florist. Shaker lake! Dun stopper laundry wrote! An yonder nor sorghum-stenches, dun stopper torque wet strainers!"

    "Hoe-cake, murder," resplendent Ladle Rat Rotten Hut, an tickle ladle basking an stuttered oft. Honor wrote tutor cordage offer groin-murder, Ladle Rat Rotten Hut mitten anomalous woof. "Wail, wail, wail!" set disk wicket woof, "Evanescent Ladle Rat Rotten Hut! Wares are putty ladle gull goring wizard ladle basking?"

    "Armor goring tumor groin-murder's," reprisal ladle gull. "Grammar's seeking bet. Armor ticking arson burden barter an shirker cockles."

    "O hoe! Heifer blessing woke," setter wicket woof, butter taught tomb shelf, "Oil tickle shirt court tutor cordage offer groin-murder. Oil ketchup wetter letter, an den - O bore!"

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    Inner ladle wile, Ladle Rat Rotten Hut a raft attar cordage, an ranker dough belle. "Comb ink, sweat hard," setter wicket woof, disgracing is verse. Ladle Rat Rotten Hut entity bet rum an stud buyer groin-murder's bet.

    "O Grammar!" crater ladle gull, "Wood bag icer gut! A nervous sausage bag ice!"

    "Battered lucky chew whiff, doling," whiskered disk ratchet woof, wetter wicket small.

    "O Grammar, water bag noise! A nervous sore suture anomolous prognosis!"

    "Battered small your whiff," insert a woof, ants mouse worse waddling.

    "O Grammar, water bag mousy gut! A nervous sore suture bag mouse!"

    Daze worry on-forger-nut gulls lest warts. Oil offer sodden, thoroughing offer carvers an sprinkling otter bet, disk curl and bloat-thursday woof ceased pore Ladle Rat Rotten Hut an garbled erupt.

    Mural: Yonder nor sorghum stenches shut ladle gulls stopper torque wet strainers.


    http://www.exploratorium.edu/exhibits/ladle/
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  • Reply 219 of 236
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    The way I understand iTunes Match is this.
    1. iTunes match scans your library
    2. the song/album names are sent to iTunes in the cloud
    3. any files that match the Apple's Master iTunes Library are not uploaded -- just pointed to
    4. any unmatched files are uploaded

    That is my understanding as well
    3.a) No reason to clutter your iCloud storage with songs that already exist in the iTunes Master Library (better quality, DRM free). I believe Apple negotiated with the record companies to allow this -- essentially re-patriotizing songs with an unknown source

    Songs already in their catalogue aren't being uploaded, and if you already bought the song it won't count against your iCloud storage plan, nor is it subtracted from your 25,000 song limit.
    3.b) I believe that Apple makes note of any unmatched as potential additions to the iTunes Master Library -- and attempts to find a valid source among the record companies.
    4.a) Any unmatched from your private collection are uploaded -- and are stored in your iCloud.

    4.b) If later, Apple acquires the right to sell (match) an item that exists in your iCloud (previously unmatched, now matched) -- Apple deletes the file in your iCloud and points to the copy in Apple's iTunes library instead.

    That would seem like the most logical thing to do.

    4.c) Yonder nor sorghum stenches will Apple ever point another user's iCloud to your private file -- or put it in the iTunes Master Library.

    IDK what Apple considers a match:
    • Title
    • Artist
    • Metadata
    • fingerprint analysis
    • all of the above

    But I do believe that you can finesse uploaded files so they will fail any match attempt.[/quote]

    IDK either. They do however alter your own files when concerning artwork: .png doesn't work and gets stripped out, making you in need of checking up on your library as iTunes Match deletes it from your local files as well. Plus they replace high resolution artwork with lower ones, most likely to save on bandwidth. Read it today while searching on the copyright issue, but too lazy to find the link again. Sorry 'bout that.

    But what about this:
    "Good Morning Mr. Zip Zip Zip" -- I had a copy of the song that I uploaded to iCloud -- now the song is in the iTunes store.

    Can we presume others had that song in their library as well, and Apple thought it was a good idea to make that song available in their Store and therefore made a deal with the record company? Ah, it was sheet music, from 1918, so any copyright has expired (right?)

    Lyric[edit]
    GoodMorningMrZip.jpg
    We come from ev'ry quarter,
    From North, South, East and West,
    To clear the way to freedom
    For the land we love the best.
    We've left our occupations
    and home, so far and dear,
    But when the going's rather rough,
    We raise this song in cheer:

    [chorus: repeat twice]
    Good morning, Mister Zip-Zip-Zip,
    With your hair cut just as short as mine,
    Good morning, Mister Zip-Zip-Zip,
    You're surely looking fine!
    Ashes to ashes, and dust to dust,
    If the Camels don't get you,
    The Fatimas must,
    Good morning, Mister Zip-Zip-Zip,
    With your hair cut just as short as,
    your hair cut just as short as,
    your hair cut just as short as mine.

    You see them on the highway,
    You meet them down the pike,
    In olive drab and khaki
    Are soldiers on the hike;
    And as the column passes,
    The word goes down the line,
    Good morning, Mister Zip-Zip-Zip,
    You're surely looking fine.

    [repeat chorus twice]

    The reference to "Camels" and "Fatimas" (fa-tee'-mas) are references to popular brands cigarettes of the time.

    700


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Morning_Mr._Zip-Zip-Zip!


    [VIDEO]
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  • Reply 220 of 236
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
    philboogie wrote: »

    Songs already in their catalogue aren't being uploaded, and if you already bought the song it won't count against your iCloud storage plan, nor is it subtracted from your 25,000 song limit.
    3.b) I believe that Apple makes note of any unmatched as potential additions to the iTunes Master Library -- and attempts to find a valid source among the record companies.
    4.a) Any unmatched from your private collection are uploaded -- and are stored in your iCloud.

    4.b) If later, Apple acquires the right to sell (match) an item that exists in your iCloud (previously unmatched, now matched) -- Apple deletes the file in your iCloud and points to the copy in Apple's iTunes library instead.

    That would seem like the most logical thing to do.

    4.c) Yonder nor sorghum stenches will Apple ever point another user's iCloud to your private file -- or put it in the iTunes Master Library.

    IDK what Apple considers a match:
    • Title
    • Artist
    • Metadata
    • fingerprint analysis
    • all of the above

    But I do believe that you can finesse uploaded files so they will fail any match attempt.

    IDK either. They do however alter your own files when concerning artwork: .png doesn't work and gets stripped out, making you in need of checking up on your library as iTunes Match deletes it from your local files as well. Plus they replace high resolution artwork with lower ones, most likely to save on bandwidth. Read it today while searching on the copyright issue, but too lazy to find the link again. Sorry 'bout that.

    But what about this:
    "Good Morning Mr. Zip Zip Zip" -- I had a copy of the song that I uploaded to iCloud -- now the song is in the iTunes store.

    Ha!

    I just couldn't repost that video.


    This is getting kind of interesting ...

    I attempted to match several album's songs (Album, Song, Artist) they were determined to be unmatched and were uploaded (I can hear the scratches form the original recording).

    However, Some of these songs are in the iTunes Store with a different album name, e.g. "Best of ... ".

    I wonder if Apple will figure it out -- or if I need to remove some metadata:

    FWIW, YT seems to allow anybody to post anything ... Here's the Edmundo Ros version of Colonel Bogey March as a marengue:


    [VIDEO]
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