Russian government asks Apple to hand over source code amid spying concerns

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  • Reply 101 of 236
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,301member
    wizard69 wrote: »
    Please let's not bring Israel into this.

    For one Israel is fully capable of building their own weapons.

    Second there isn't a people on the entire earth more deserving of what the people supporting HAMAS are getting right now. It would do the world a whole lot of good if Israel totally wiped out HAMAS and it's supporters.
    How does MURDERING INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN, and CHILDREN in their SCHOOLS and BEACHES do the world any good? STFU you ass, you've seriously got NO CLUE what you're talking about; you're condoning WAR CRIMES and MURDERS by ISRAEL!
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  • Reply 102 of 236
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
    While listenin' to great old records that I haven't heard in years ...


    I finally broke down and bought a USB turntable for the Mac!
    Tell us more.....? I assume you're able to Airplay it? Which brand/odel would you recommend?

    Here ya' go ...


    http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT-LP120-USB-Direct-Drive-Professional-USB/dp/B002S1CJ2Q


    Prior to this, I had a B&O Beogram 8000 (two of then actually) ....

    This appears every bit as good, if not better -- it weighs about 40 lbs :)

    Yes you can AirPlay (unfortunately not to my old AirPort Express attached to the B&O and its McIntosh speakers.

    You can record directly into QuickTime ... It comes with Audacity software -- with which, I am experimenting. They have a workflow where you record a single stream of both sides, then go back and separate it into songs and provide the required metadata. In addition there are a lot of filters/features to clean up the audio quality.

    I may not spend too much on cleaning up the audio, as my goal is to get a better quality copy from iTunes (when available) *

    Aside: My late wife Lucy, loved to dance -- and she knew the steps to everything from a flea-hop (tarantella) to a schottische ... but she especially liked Latin American rhythms.

    I just captured an album that my Dad played the first time I brought Lucy home to meet the parents -- Rhythms Of The South by Edmundo Ros. Lucy went crazy dancing' to all these songs ...

    You've never lived if you haven't seen/heard Colonel Bogey (March From The Bridge On The River Kwai) played (and danced to) a Merengue beat --- Or Isle Of Capri as a cha cha :}

    Ahh ... Sweet memories!


    * I found that Apple usually will fesh out iTunes with songs that aren't in iTunes, but a user uploads to iCloud via iTunes Match -- for, example there is an old WWI song named: "Good Morning Mr. Zip Zip Zip" -- My Dad would sing this to me when he was home on leave from the Navy in WWII. Anyway I had a copy of the song that I uploaded to iCloud -- now the song is in the iTunes store.
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  • Reply 103 of 236
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,301member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    Agreed! I am having a jolly good time, just watching the news, while snacking on some peanuts and eating some ice cream, just watching the epic ass kicking that is currently taking place. It is hilarious, and it is the best comedy series that I have watched so far this year without a doubt. Hopefully there will be no further unnecessary ceasefires as Israel needs to finish the job completely, without any further annoying distractions. I laugh at the fools who are protesting this defensive action across the world. 
    While I've always found your comments on the edge of good taste, this one is the last draw. To summarize, you're getting a kick out of watching the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians, many of whom are children, in their homes, schools, hospitals, beaches?!?!?!

    PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THE MURDERS FROM ISRAEL PULLING THE TRIGGERS IN GAZA!
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  • Reply 104 of 236
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:



    Originally Posted by MagMan1979 View Post



    While I've always found your comments on the edge of good taste, this one is the last draw. 

     

    Everybody needs a hobby. Some people like sports, I'm not into sports that much, especially all that silly soccer world cup stuff that was taking place recently. War is like the ultimate sport, and yes, I am definitely rooting for one side, and I want the other side to lose badly. I want it to be more lopsided than Brazil VS Germany. 

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  • Reply 105 of 236
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,301member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    Everybody needs a hobby. Some people like sports, I'm not into sports that much, especially all that silly soccer world cup stuff that was taking place recently. War is like the ultimate sport, and yes, I am definitely rooting for one side, and I want the other side to lose badly. I want it to be more lopsided than Brazil VS Germany. 
    Jesus christ, you are one fucked up, sick son of a bitch.

    I'm not condoning Hamas, but to even SLIGHTLY agree with the massacre of innocent and unarmed civilians makes you no better than a murderer.

    I SERIOUSLY hope an OP here is reading this and BANS YOUR ASS!
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  • Reply 106 of 236
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post



    * I found that Apple usually will fesh out iTunes with songs that aren't in iTunes, but a user uploads to iCloud via iTunes Match -- for, example there is an old WWI song named: "Good Morning Mr. Zip Zip Zip" -- My Dad would sing this to me when he was home on leave from the Navy in WWII. Anyway I had a copy of the song that I uploaded to iCloud -- now the song is in the iTunes store.

     

    iTunes Match is great, I've been subscribing for a couple of years now.

     

    I don't even need to store my files on my drives anymore after I upload it to iTunes Match, as that is where my entire master library now resides. The entire library can easily be downloaded again anytime that I please.

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  • Reply 107 of 236
    rptrpt Posts: 175member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Can you elucidate?

    Nice word Solips, had to consult may son who is studying for the SAT. Think what I wrote was pretty clear though! Still I believe the Russian position is mostly for propaganda reasons.

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  • Reply 107 of 236
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,284member

    Russia is afraid of a sales ban.

    Tough beans, Putin.

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  • Reply 109 of 236
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MagMan1979 View Post

    I'm not condoning Hamas, but to even SLIGHTLY agree with the massacre of innocent and unarmed civilians makes you no better than a murderer.

     

    It's not a massacre, it's a legitimate defensive action against an aggressive, warmongering party. Also, 100% of the responsibility for civilian casualties lies with Hamas, it's not my problem really. Screw them.

     

    And yes, I do believe that I am better than a murderer, considering that I haven't murdered anybody yet, that I can recall.

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  • Reply 110 of 236
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
    allenbf wrote: »
    "Apple wrote:
    [" url="/t/181629/russian-government-asks-apple-to-hand-over-source-code-amid-spying-concerns/40#post_2571462"]
     

    I guess that we disagree on that particular issue.

    All life is precious.
    paul94544 wrote: »
     
    lets say you lived in San Diego near the border with Mexico and the Mexicans are firing rockets at you and building tunnels under the border and abducting teenagers and killing them to provoke you. Would you sit idly by and let them do this? OH yeah they also have in their manifesto that they wish to destroy you!

    I'm not taking the side of Hamas here.  But your example would be better if the USA were building settlements across the border in Mexico, preventing medical aid, food, etc from entering the area, and pretty much treating the Mexican citizens as second class.  

    There have been some successes (and some failures) with Maquiladoras -- essentially, assembly factories in a free trade zone, near the border, inside Mexico. Parts are shipped in, duty free, assembled then shipped back duty free.

    The concept is good: to provide Mexicans with well-paying jobs and treat them with dignity -- to provide the US companies assembled goods at lower costs ...


    In that case, could you see why some of the Mexicans would launch rockets at San Diego?


    Again - is Hamas right? Of course not.  But Israel isn't squeaky clean here, either.  A 2 state solution is the only answer, IF both sides will get serious about peace.
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  • Reply 111 of 236
    b9botb9bot Posts: 238member
    Krapserky are no geniuses and if they did why would Russia be asking? With Russia's recent behavior that sounds like a big NO from Apple. And Apple already told China the same so I don't think this is going to happen, AT ALL! They will get the same response most likely as they gave to China. And will probably do so for any other country that asks.
    Russia and China should look at Fragmoid software which is open to let all hackers, thieves, spy's do whatever they like with that software. You want to find security problems that whole OS is a giant cesspool!
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  • Reply 112 of 236
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

    You make a valid point. But you seem to assume there is some kind of political transparency equivalency between the Chinese and Russian systems and ours. For all our faults, I have far more trust in our system's potential to do right thing, and to correct itself when it doesn't, than theirs.

    So do I, no question. But for anything in 'our system' to correct itself it needs to be constantly scrutinized, called out, and challenged. Not to challenge the powers that be to prove they are at all times serving the greater good is the worst kind of servility. One that mocks the idea of true democracy. 

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  • Reply 113 of 236
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    rpt wrote: »
    Think what I wrote was pretty clear though!

    Not to me. I'm not familiar with this Huawei deal so the use of countries, some, similar, and other make for an unclear statement. I literally have no idea to what you're referring or how it would be compared but I'm interested.
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  • Reply 114 of 236
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Not to me. I'm not familiar with this Huawei deal so the use of countries, some, similar, and other make for an unclear statement. I literally have no idea to what you're referring or how it would be compared but I'm interested.

     

    Some western countries had banned Huawei equipment to be used by numerous western governments, due to the firm's alleged ties to the Chinese govt.

     

    We all know how the Chinese spies and hacks, so this is completely understandable.

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  • Reply 115 of 236
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,301member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    It's not a massacre, it's a legitimate defensive action against an aggressive, warmongering party. Also, 100% of the responsibility for civilian casualties lies with Hamas, it's not my problem really. Screw them.

    And yes, I do believe that I am better than a murderer, considering that I haven't murdered anybody yet, that I can recall.
    A legitimate military action would be to bomb military targets and installations of Hamas, and to go in with ground troops for precision strikes and actions where they suspect Hamas is stockpiling weapons in civilian buildings and areas. Israel is taking the easy path by just blindly bombing anything they even "suspect" might house Hamas weapons or activists, without stopping to consider for one second the collateral damage they cause to civilians.

    There's a reason why the UN is now calling these actions WAR CRIMES!!!
    I have a little bit of Jewish blood in me

    This might explain the disgusting pleasure you seem to take in the criminal acts being taken there. And sorry you're not any better than a murderer, because though you haven't actually committed the crime directly, you are condoning such violent acts upon the innocent.

    YOU ARE SICK, and I'm utterly DISGUSTED you are associated with anything Apple, or even anything related to Humanity for that matter, because the disregard you show for human life makes you not human.
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  • Reply 116 of 236
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MagMan1979 View Post





    A legitimate military action would be to bomb military targets and installations of Hamas, and to go in with ground troops for precision strikes and actions where they suspect Hamas is stockpiling weapons in civilian buildings and areas. Israel is taking the easy path by just blindly bombing anything they even "suspect" might house Hamas weapons or activists, without stopping to consider for one second the collateral damage they cause to civilians.



    There's a reason why the UN is now calling these actions WAR CRIMES!!!

    This might explain the disgusting pleasure you seem to take in the criminal acts being taken there. And sorry you're not any better than a murderer, because though you haven't actually committed the crime directly, you are condoning such violent acts upon the innocent.



    YOU ARE SICK, and I'm utterly DISGUSTED you are associated with anything Apple, or even anything related to Humanity for that matter, because the disregard you show for human life makes you not human.

     

    No military in the history of the world is as precise or as gentle as the Israeli army currently is. Who else phones and sends sms messages to warn 

    people to get out?<img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> Who else first sends a dummy missile as a warning, and then the real one afterwards?;) Let me know which other country does the same?:D

     

    I think that the entire world should applaud and congratulate them for their great restraint. Had it been any other army, the casualties would have been many times greater. If anything, the IDF is too kind, that's my main criticism of them. They should pick up the tempo, and get the job done.

     

    Also, you should know that schools, hospitals and mosques are all legitimate targets, when they are being used to conduct attacks from and used as weapons depots.

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  • Reply 117 of 236
    kkerstkkerst Posts: 330member
    Actually, the Russians have excellent coders – maybe not software developers, but hackers.

    …and btw, we don't run the world anymore either  :\

    Well I never said the US ran the world.

    "...maybe not software developers, but hackers..."

    Which is even more of a reason why Apple should not let this happen.
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  • Reply 118 of 236
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,421member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RPT View Post

    Think what I wrote was pretty clear though!


    Not to me. I'm not familiar with this Huawei deal so the use of countries, some, similar, and other make for an unclear statement. I literally have no idea to what you're referring or how it would be compared but I'm interested.

     

    This was widely reported. There were Congressional hearing in the US, and if I recall right, all government agencies (and contractors) are now banned from doing business with Huawei. Will see if I can dig up a link.

    Add: Not sure if a ban is in place, but here's the report of the Intelligence Committee (the exec summary is an easy, quick read): https://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/Huawei-ZTE Investigative Report (FINAL).pdf
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  • Reply 119 of 236
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    Some western countries had banned Huawei equipment to be used by numerous western governments, due to the firm's alleged ties to the Chinese govt.

    We all know how the Chinese spies and hacks, so this is completely understandable.

    Thanks. I agree the US should be concerned about that and Russia, China et al. should be concerned about that possibility.
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  • Reply 120 of 236
    danv2 wrote: »
    Yeah, so, if Apple pulls all their devices from Russia nobody will care, b/c most won't be able to afford an iOS device after all the sanctions go through. Hell, Apple won't be able to export iOS devices to Russia if even more sanctions are put out.

    Seeing as the devices are manufactured and shipped from China, I don't believe the sanctions would change the retail price of the iPhone in Russia. China gets along with Russia very well.
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