Russian government asks Apple to hand over source code amid spying concerns

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  • Reply 121 of 236
    rptrpt Posts: 175member
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    Not to me. I'm not familiar with this Huawei deal so the use of countries, some, similar, and other make for an unclear statement. I literally have no idea to what you're referring or how it would be compared but I'm interested.

    Huawei was banned from the tender list in US and Australia for a national telecommunication system, and was scrutinized in other counties (an hopefully banned, i don't know), because obviously basing sensitive telecommunication on Chinese equipment may provide for an opening to monitor the communication. For the same reason, given the nature of my job, I am not allowed to use a memory stick at all, and if specifically given one I have to hand it over to our security department. The same goes for phones, we use iPhones because, except for Blackberry, my employer is not allowed to use them. Industrial and national espionage, is for real, and is conducted by both the good and the bad side, whatever side you are on, even if there is a lot of paranoia out there.

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  • Reply 122 of 236
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Seeing as the devices are manufactured and shipped from China, I don't believe the sanctions would change the retail price of the iPhone in Russia. China gets along with Russia very well.


    Neither the Chinese government nor any Chinese manufacturer make decisions regarding where Apple products are sold or shipped. Apple owns the devices and only they decide where they are shipped, within the approved list of US Export Control of course, and where not restricted by any trade embargoes that may be imposed by a foreign government.

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  • Reply 123 of 236
    ralphmouthralphmouth Posts: 192member
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    Agreed! I am having a jolly good time, just watching the news, while snacking on some peanuts and eating some ice cream, just watching the epic ass kicking that is currently taking place. It is hilarious, and it is the best comedy series that I have watched so far this year without a doubt. Hopefully there will be no further unnecessary ceasefires as Israel needs to finish the job completely, without any further annoying distractions. I laugh at the fools who are protesting this defensive action across the world. 


     

    Agreed completely too! If the fools really want peace in Palestine, they will support Israel destroying Hamas and Islamic Jihad and wiping them both off the face of the planet once and for all. If wanting to eliminate radical Islamist terrorist groups whose beliefs and values are incompatible with my liberal Western values means I support genocide, then I guess I support genocide of radical Islamists. Hopefully the US will do the same to ISIS next.

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  • Reply 124 of 236
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member

    Originally Posted by RalphMouth View Post

     

    This raises an interesting question for me: If the iOS source code was stolen by hackers and released to the public, how much damage (if any) would that do to iOS security?


     

    Depends on whether it includes iOS 7 or iOS 8.  And whether or not the thumbprint data hash code is part of iOS source or part of the Touch ID firmware.  (Especially the algorithm that identifies a Secure Enclave's ID as belonging to its specific matching iPhone hardware ID.)

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  • Reply 125 of 236
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Hopefully the US will do the same to ISIS next.


    Hopefully not. The US does not need to get in the middle of any holy war in any other country. if ISIS comes to the US then by all means arrest them. Of course we wouldn't know who is ISIS and who is not without the NSA, especially if they are carrying a US passport.

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  • Reply 126 of 236
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,927member
    magman1979 wrote: »
    A legitimate military action would be to bomb military targets and installations of Hamas, and to go in with ground troops for precision strikes and actions where they suspect Hamas is stockpiling weapons in civilian buildings and areas. Israel is taking the easy path by just blindly bombing anything they even "suspect" might house Hamas weapons or activists, without stopping to consider for one second the collateral damage they cause to civilians.

    There's a reason why the UN is now calling these actions WAR CRIMES!!!
    This might explain the disgusting pleasure you seem to take in the criminal acts being taken there. And sorry you're not any better than a murderer, because though you haven't actually committed the crime directly, you are condoning such violent acts upon the innocent.

    Hamas doesn't have military bases. It uses schools and mosques as weapon storage.

    Now it is horrible that innocent lives are lost. Hamas should man up and drop their weapons and surrender.
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  • Reply 127 of 236
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    There's a reason why the UN is now calling these actions WAR CRIMES!!!


    Citation?

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  • Reply 128 of 236
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,301member
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  • Reply 129 of 236
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    magman1979 wrote: »

    Ms. Pillay saying, "There seems to be a strong possibility that international law has been violated, in a manner that could amount to war crimes," is not the same as "the UN is now calling these actions WAR CRIMES!!!"
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  • Reply 130 of 236
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post



    Citation?


    http://m.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28437626

    Thanks. I remember reading that now that you posted it, however there are three very important words in that article. "may", "possibly" and "could"

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  • Reply 131 of 236
    kellya74ukellya74u Posts: 171member

    The Russian government seems to want to know ALL information. What's interesting is that Snowden said he hadn't given up all of the information he had, that he was keeping some back as leverage to those who might try to harm him. I assume KGB President Putin & associates have really been nice to him in order that he reveal lots of info regarding NSA & the rest of the world. Snowden may claim he doesn't have info on Russia, but I can't believe that President Putin would let that go. Based on polygraph & then escalating levels of interviews & interrogations, the Russians may extract the info from Snowden, even that which he wanted to 'hold back.' If not sooner, he will be leveraged just prior to his Russian 'welcome' visa expiring.

     

    I believe this demand from Apple is push back from political pressure & embargoes over the Ukraine issues, even though it may have been ongoing requests from others.

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  • Reply 132 of 236
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 4,063member
    paxman wrote: »
    So do I, no question. But for anything in 'our system' to correct itself it needs to be constantly scrutinized, called out, and challenged. Not to challenge the powers that be to prove they are at all times serving the greater good is the worst kind of servility. One that mocks the idea of true democracy. 
    Agree. But we may disagree on the best way to go about that.
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  • Reply 133 of 236
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,396member
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    Agreed! I am having a jolly good time, just watching the news, while snacking on some peanuts and eating some ice cream, just watching the epic ass kicking that is currently taking place. It is hilarious, and it is the best comedy series that I have watched so far this year without a doubt. Hopefully there will be no further unnecessary ceasefires as Israel needs to finish the job completely, without any further annoying distractions. I laugh at the fools who are protesting this defensive action across the world. 


     

    Look, you despicable piece of pond scum, I don't come to this website to read your abhorrent political rants and misguided, vile, bloodlust for genocide- There are thousands of other websites and forums that welcome that, where you can post your trash there. This website is called "AppleInsider", so please do us a favor, have some self-restraint, and refrain from posting your unbridled glee at the massacre of what is so far 1,300 people, 80%+ civilian, and half women and children. Seriously, I don't know how these shameless posts from you don't get you banned, not only are they utterly off-topic, but they shed light on your frankly vile and reprehensible nature.  

     

    As for your lying, propaganda talking points, all have been discredited, especially the horse-shit "human shields" argument, and every investigation has found zero evidence of, whether it was this time, 2011, 2009, or 2006. On the other side, there is a mountain of documented, real evidence of Israel using Palestinian human shields in every assault they've been in. You're cheering the genocidal massacre of CHILDREN at beaches, hospitals, schools, and refugee camps, and frankly you can go completely **** yourself and your pathetic, empty, rotting soul. In 2014, there is no excuse for the depth of ignorance that you swim in. Hitler only accomplished his evil because he had people like you as his right-hand men. Stick to discussing Apple and spare us your useless, bigoted, racist vomit.  Amazing how racist bigots like you always stand with Israel by default, even with no connection to the country- the consistency with the rest of your views is nauseatingly predictable. 

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  • Reply 134 of 236
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,301member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    Ms. Pillay saying, "There seems to be a strong possibility that international law has been violated, in a manner that could amount to war crimes," is not the same as "the UN is now calling these actions WAR CRIMES!!!"
    I'm sorry, but what she said, coupled with that's been shown by news agencies around the world, amounts to genocide and war crimes. Ever heard of that thing called politics? They are always going to dance around an issue and will never likely come out and bluntly say what's going on...
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  • Reply 135 of 236
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,301member
    mstone wrote: »
    Thanks. I remember reading that now that you posted it, however there are three very important words in that article. "may", "possibly" and "could"
    Only someone who's been living under a rock for the last few weeks and hasn't been watching the news would call what's going on in Gaza anything other than a war crime.
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  • Reply 136 of 236
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
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    Look, you despicable piece of pond scum, I don't come to this website to read your abhorrent political rants and misguided, vile, bloodlust for genocide- There are thousands of other websites and forums that welcome that, where you can post your trash there. This website is called "AppleInsider", so please do us a favor, have some self-restraint, and refrain from posting your unbridled glee at the massacre of what is so far 1,300 people, 80%+ civilian, and half women and children. Seriously, I don't know how these shameless posts from you don't get you banned, not only are they utterly off-topic, but they shed light on your frankly vile and reprehensible nature.  

     

    As for your lying, propaganda talking points, all have been discredited, especially the horse-shit "human shields" argument, and every investigation has found zero evidence of, whether it was this time, 2011, 2009, or 2006. On the other side, there is a mountain of documented, real evidence of Israel using Palestinian human shields in every assault they've been in. You're cheering the genocidal massacre of CHILDREN at beaches, hospitals, schools, and refugee camps, and frankly you can go completely **** yourself and your pathetic, empty, rotting soul. In 2014, there is no excuse for the depth of ignorance that you swim in. 


     

    You're a lying terrorist supporter, and I'm glad that your friends are currently being slaughtered.

     

    And you've been here long enough to know that personal attacks are against the forum rules, and I will of course report you. You don't see me personally attacking anybody in this thread.

     

    And I wasn't the one who brought up anything about Israel in this thread, it was brlwayer, or whatever their name is, so go and whine to them you terrorist supporter and liar. None of what you write is true and it is merely pallywood propaganda and lies. How stupid and ignorant does somebody have to be to fall for such simple minded terrorist propaganda?<img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

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  • Reply 137 of 236
    geekmeegeekmee Posts: 653member
    Right!, the country that just shot down a civilian airliner... Is interested in protecting civilian privacy.
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  • Reply 138 of 236
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
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    http://m.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28437626

    That link proves nothing and it is merely a useless UN person who is speculating.

     

    I also view UN facilities as legitimate targets, if they are harboring terrorists or serving as weapons depots. Three UN schools in Gaza have been found to have stored weapons in them so far. These are legitimate targets and should be completely flattened and destroyed.

     

    Read international law and the Geneva conventions sometime. 

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  • Reply 139 of 236
    yins27yins27 Posts: 2member
    Lol years ago the US government wanted the source code to make some " tweaks " on the iOS devices they were using for military ....Steve Jobs didn't give them anything ... so Russia is asking for it now ?? lol good luck.
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  • Reply 140 of 236
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,301member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    You're a lying terrorist supporter, and I'm glad that your friends are currently being slaughtered.

    And you've been here long enough to know that personal attacks are against the forum rules, and I will of course report you. You don't see me personally attacking anybody in this thread.

    And I wasn't the one who brought up anything about Israel in this thread, it was brlwayer, or whatever their name is, so go and whine to them you terrorist supporter and liar. None of what you write is true and it is merely pallywood propaganda and lies. How stupid and ignorant does somebody have to be to fall for such simple minded terrorist propaganda?:lol:
    At this point, you're condoning a masacare of innocents, and you're worried about attacking someone on a forum? **** YOU ASSWIPE. I HAVE ALREADY REPORTED YOU, and will continue to do so, because your kind should've been eliminated along with Hitler back in the mid-20th century!

    Based on the mindless crap you spew, you'd think you're sleeping with Obama and CNN. You obviously have no morals, ethics, integrity or intelligence and seem to gladly spew out whatever the propaganda machines known as Governments of Israel and CNN spoon feed you with.

    As far as I'm concerned, you are beneath contemptible, and deserve to rot in the deepest parts of hell. And BTW, turning these discussions around by making Ad Hominem attacks against those who are protecting the sanctity of the innocent civilians being murdered by calling them terrorist supports, is beyond reprehensible.
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