My point is, arsehole, that Apple wouldn't be hiring all these people if all they were launching is a Moto 360 type device. Obviously they're working on a range of wearable products. And yes I do think something will come out this fall. The most recent hires are sales/retail not engineering.
Eddy Cue wouldn't say this fall will see Apple's best pipeline in 25 years if this stuff was coming out in 2015. If all we get this fall is a bigger iPhone (which we should have had 2 years ago) and iPads with Touch ID the stock will get hammered. The stock is where it is right now because people are expecting new product categories (hardware or software/services) this fall, not next year. Don't forget Tim Cook said last year that we'd see new products "across 2014". So far the only new things people can buy are minor spec bumps to existing products.
1) Stop with the personal attacks.
2) New products ? new product categories. Why is that so hard to understand?
3) If the stock gets hammers big fucking deal. I don't want a company that only cares about the stock price from quarter to quarter without concern for longterm success.
John is typically very respectful of Apple and their desire for secrecy so i find it shocking that he would blurt out something like this. which leads me to believe that either he doesn't really know and he's taking the piss. Or he does know and he knows that it is actually nothing like what the rumors are saying. After all he said 'thing', not device. A 'thing' could be a device, or it could be software. It would be the best joke if all these folks were crapping themselves thinking Apple was going to release an official bracelet device so they rush to release and announce their devices first. Only to go through it all for nothing when Apple announces a new phone with all sorts of enhanced sensors (continuing what they started with the m7) and an SDK coming shortly. and oh yeah, it will also provide added support for all those fitbit, fuel bands, pebble etc.
How does Apple make money off SDK's that 3rd parties can tap into? Maybe more iPhone sales but as it is IPhone's share of Apple's revenue is well over 50% which is concerning IMO. Last year MaryJo Foley reported that Microsoft has 16 businesses that have $1 billion or more in revenues. If anything I think Apple needs diversification and new revenue streams so they're not so dependent on iPhone for their success. That's why I think we'll see a line of wearables from Apple. Perhaps a new product line if they decide to go high end, or maybe utilizing the iPod or Beats brand for a less expensive line. And I also think they will get in to home automation beyond HomeKit SDK for 3rd parties. 9to5Mac already reported that Apple was working on 1st party hardware for this space. Then add whatever they're doing with Apple TV, mobile payments and their partnership with IBM and you have a lot of new revenue streams beyond iPhone.
I think the big iPhone and the bracelet/ wearable or whatever, will come in one presentation. It'll be the solution to not having a very large unit in your hand for most little tasks. It could remain in the pocket/ bag or wherever it is.
2) New products ? new product categories. Why is that so hard to understand?
3) If the stock gets hammers big fucking deal. I don't want a company that only cares about the stock price from quarter to quarter without concern for longterm success.
Here's what Eddy Cue said at the Re/Code conference: "Later this year, we've got the best product pipeline that I've seen in my 25 years at Apple"
And when Cook was interviewed by the WSJ earlier this year he said Apple was working on new categories:
Thursday, Mr. Cook reiterated that Apple plans to enter a new category this year. Apple watchers are speculating about wearable devices or a new television platform.
"There will be new categories. We're not ready to talk about it, but we're working on some really great stuff," Mr. Cook said. When asked whether a new product category could mean an improvement on an existing product like an iPad Air, a lighter version of its tablet computer, or new services such as mobile payments, Mr. Cook declined to comment.
He said that anyone "reasonable" would consider what Apple is working on as new categories.
Do you honestly think Cue would say best pipeline in 25 years "later this year" if all we were getting from Apple was incremental updates to Macs, an iPhone with a bigger screen and an iPad with Touch ID?
Do you honestly think Cue would say best pipeline in 25 years "later this year" if all we were getting from Apple was incremental updates to Macs, an iPhone with a bigger screen and an iPad with Touch ID?
1) Yes, as it's said every year and every year the products get better.
2) Again, a statement of a new product category means a new product category but a statement of new products does not mean there will be new product categories. Even Cook statement has planned in it and plans change so your assertion that there is shit set in stone because Cue said the words best and pipeline is the same sentence is ridiculous.
3) Do I think Apple will announce at least one new product category this year? I do, but not because of the silly shoehorning and lack of critical thinking your comments are displaying.
Do you honestly think Cue would say best pipeline in 25 years "later this year" if all we were getting from Apple was incremental updates to Macs, an iPhone with a bigger screen and an iPad with Touch ID?
Cue's comments are vague enough to be read either way. You're filling in the blanks with what you believe. Don't assume everyone else believes the same.
How does Apple make money off SDK's that 3rd parties can tap into? Maybe more iPhone sales but as it is IPhone's share of Apple's revenue is well over 50% which is concerning IMO. Last year MaryJo Foley reported that Microsoft has 16 businesses that have $1 billion or more in revenues.
1) And why ignore profits, unless these "businesses" are losing money?
2) While I'm sure Apple would like to have the iPhone less dominate among their product offerings the fact remains that among traditional PCs, tablets, media and services Apple is trouncing the competition even if those only make up a portion of their total profit.
1) Yes, as it's said every year and every year the products get better.
2) Again, a statement of a new product category means a new product category but a statement of new products does not mean there will be new product categories. Even Cook statement has planned in it and plans change so your assertion that there is shit set in stone because Cue said the words best and pipeline is the same sentence is ridiculous.
3) Do I think Apple will announce at least one new product category this year? I do, but not because of the silly shoehorning and lack of critical thinking your comments are displaying.
Cue said the best in the 25 years he's worked at Apple. That is a pretty strong statement. Excuse me if I happen to believe he's referring to more than just an iPhone with a bigger screen and an A8 chip. How many people predicted everything we saw at WWDC? I don't remember any rumors that predicted inter-app communications, 3rd party keyboards, Continuity, iCloud drive and a new programming language. IMO WWDC was just the tip of the iceberg. In the last earnings call Cook also said Apple has exciting things planned for iPad. Again, I think that means more than adding an A8 chip and Touch ID to the existing line.
Is all of this stuff going to happen this fall? Most likely not. But IMO there's too much smoke for there not to be fire.
Cue said the best in the 25 years he's worked at Apple. That is a pretty strong statement.
No, no it doesn't. 2013 was the best products Apple has ever released and they had no new product categories released that year. I bought a new MBP, iPhone and iPad because I felt they were all worth upgrading. I had even purchased an iMac which arrived in early 2013. I suspect 2014 will be also be the best they've ever offered. You're simply reading what you want into a boilerplate statement.
Here's the list according to Mary Jo Foley. She speculates the 16th could be Android patent licensing. I guess one could argue over whether these should be called businesses or not. You could swap out businesses with products.
Windows (which also, up until now, included Surface, which contributed $853 million to the total in fiscal 2013)
Windows Server
Windows Azure
Office (client)
Xbox
SQL Server
System Center (client and server both, so includes Windows Intune)
SharePoint
Visual Studio
Dynamics (CRM and ERP)
Online Advertising (search and display both)
Office 365
Client-access license (CAL) suites (formerly known as desktop access)
Enterprise Services (including consulting)
Enterprise communication business (Exchange plus Lync)
No, no it doesn't. 2013 was the best products Apple has ever released and they had no new product categories released that year. I bought a new MBP, iPhone and iPad because I felt they were all worth upgrading. I had even purchased an iMac which arrived in early 2013. I suspect 2014 will be also be the best they've ever offered. You're simply reading what you want into a boilerplate statement.
Yes, and you're also doing the same by calling it a boilerplate statement. If all Cue was referring to was incremental upgrades to existing products I doubt he would have used that phrase. A boilerplate statement is "we've got some really great stuff coming this fall", not "the best I've seen in 25 years". Of course I have no idea if a new product category will be announced this fall. But neither do you or anyone else here. I'm just giving my opinion that I think there will be something brand new this fall because as I said I think there's too much smoke for there not to be any fire (Gruber said something similar on Twitter).
1) And why ignore profits, unless these "businesses" are losing money?
2) While I'm sure Apple would like to have the iPhone less dominate among their product offerings the fact remains that among traditional PCs, tablets, media and services Apple is trouncing the competition even if those only make up a portion of their total profit.
If all Cue was referring to was incremental upgrades to existing products I doubt he would have used that phrase.
Again, you're wrong. Apple execs say this every year and will continue saying it, and since incremental update is an improvement in some fashion they aren't ever going to be proven wrong.
I'm just giving my opinion that I think there will be something brand new this fall...
No you're not. You're trying to shoehorn something you invented in your head into some scientific proof like you're the inventor of phrenology. If it was just about your opinion you wouldn't be writing the things you're writing.
Personally, I think the “greatest designer of our age” died a few years back after the incumbent had been coat-tailing him for years. Since that time you only have to look at his efforts related to the redesign of the iOS and OSX GUI to understand where the true talent rested (white text on lime green; what was he thinking?!). It’s that attention to detail that, although can be replaced, hasn’t been replaced. The talent and innovation is still there within Apple, and the rumoured and announced products look fantastic; but the presentation is getting a little fury around the edges. From an external design perspective, Ive’s big test will be the iPhone 6; his first solo design (and the iWatch?). If the “leaked” images are to be believed, I’m not overly impressed with the design. The back looks ugly.
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1) Stop with the personal attacks.
2) New products ? new product categories. Why is that so hard to understand?
3) If the stock gets hammers big fucking deal. I don't want a company that only cares about the stock price from quarter to quarter without concern for longterm success.
How does Apple make money off SDK's that 3rd parties can tap into? Maybe more iPhone sales but as it is IPhone's share of Apple's revenue is well over 50% which is concerning IMO. Last year MaryJo Foley reported that Microsoft has 16 businesses that have $1 billion or more in revenues. If anything I think Apple needs diversification and new revenue streams so they're not so dependent on iPhone for their success. That's why I think we'll see a line of wearables from Apple. Perhaps a new product line if they decide to go high end, or maybe utilizing the iPod or Beats brand for a less expensive line. And I also think they will get in to home automation beyond HomeKit SDK for 3rd parties. 9to5Mac already reported that Apple was working on 1st party hardware for this space. Then add whatever they're doing with Apple TV, mobile payments and their partnership with IBM and you have a lot of new revenue streams beyond iPhone.
I think the big iPhone and the bracelet/ wearable or whatever, will come in one presentation. It'll be the solution to not having a very large unit in your hand for most little tasks. It could remain in the pocket/ bag or wherever it is.
Here's what Eddy Cue said at the Re/Code conference: "Later this year, we've got the best product pipeline that I've seen in my 25 years at Apple"
And when Cook was interviewed by the WSJ earlier this year he said Apple was working on new categories:
Do you honestly think Cue would say best pipeline in 25 years "later this year" if all we were getting from Apple was incremental updates to Macs, an iPhone with a bigger screen and an iPad with Touch ID?
1) Yes, as it's said every year and every year the products get better.
2) Again, a statement of a new product category means a new product category but a statement of new products does not mean there will be new product categories. Even Cook statement has planned in it and plans change so your assertion that there is shit set in stone because Cue said the words best and pipeline is the same sentence is ridiculous.
3) Do I think Apple will announce at least one new product category this year? I do, but not because of the silly shoehorning and lack of critical thinking your comments are displaying.
Do you honestly think Cue would say best pipeline in 25 years "later this year" if all we were getting from Apple was incremental updates to Macs, an iPhone with a bigger screen and an iPad with Touch ID?
Cue's comments are vague enough to be read either way. You're filling in the blanks with what you believe. Don't assume everyone else believes the same.
16 businesses? I find that hard to believe.
1) And why ignore profits, unless these "businesses" are losing money?
2) While I'm sure Apple would like to have the iPhone less dominate among their product offerings the fact remains that among traditional PCs, tablets, media and services Apple is trouncing the competition even if those only make up a portion of their total profit.
Cue said the best in the 25 years he's worked at Apple. That is a pretty strong statement. Excuse me if I happen to believe he's referring to more than just an iPhone with a bigger screen and an A8 chip. How many people predicted everything we saw at WWDC? I don't remember any rumors that predicted inter-app communications, 3rd party keyboards, Continuity, iCloud drive and a new programming language. IMO WWDC was just the tip of the iceberg. In the last earnings call Cook also said Apple has exciting things planned for iPad. Again, I think that means more than adding an A8 chip and Touch ID to the existing line.
Is all of this stuff going to happen this fall? Most likely not. But IMO there's too much smoke for there not to be fire.
No, no it doesn't. 2013 was the best products Apple has ever released and they had no new product categories released that year. I bought a new MBP, iPhone and iPad because I felt they were all worth upgrading. I had even purchased an iMac which arrived in early 2013. I suspect 2014 will be also be the best they've ever offered. You're simply reading what you want into a boilerplate statement.
Here's the list according to Mary Jo Foley. She speculates the 16th could be Android patent licensing. I guess one could argue over whether these should be called businesses or not. You could swap out businesses with products.
http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-16-billion-dollar-businesses-an-updated-list-7000019346/
Windows (which also, up until now, included Surface, which contributed $853 million to the total in fiscal 2013)
Windows Server
Windows Azure
Office (client)
Xbox
SQL Server
System Center (client and server both, so includes Windows Intune)
SharePoint
Visual Studio
Dynamics (CRM and ERP)
Online Advertising (search and display both)
Office 365
Client-access license (CAL) suites (formerly known as desktop access)
Enterprise Services (including consulting)
Enterprise communication business (Exchange plus Lync)
Yes, and you're also doing the same by calling it a boilerplate statement. If all Cue was referring to was incremental upgrades to existing products I doubt he would have used that phrase. A boilerplate statement is "we've got some really great stuff coming this fall", not "the best I've seen in 25 years". Of course I have no idea if a new product category will be announced this fall. But neither do you or anyone else here. I'm just giving my opinion that I think there will be something brand new this fall because as I said I think there's too much smoke for there not to be any fire (Gruber said something similar on Twitter).
Who's ignoring profits? Last time I checked Microsoft has no problem generating profits.
Again, you're wrong. Apple execs say this every year and will continue saying it, and since incremental update is an improvement in some fashion they aren't ever going to be proven wrong.
No you're not. You're trying to shoehorn something you invented in your head into some scientific proof like you're the inventor of phrenology. If it was just about your opinion you wouldn't be writing the things you're writing.
Just a joke.
Still waiting for this list of 16 "businesses" MS has that generate over $1B USD in revenue and have no problem generating profits.
Bad girl! You've backslid again.
Personally, I think the “greatest designer of our age” died a few years back after the incumbent had been coat-tailing him for years. Since that time you only have to look at his efforts related to the redesign of the iOS and OSX GUI to understand where the true talent rested (white text on lime green; what was he thinking?!). It’s that attention to detail that, although can be replaced, hasn’t been replaced. The talent and innovation is still there within Apple, and the rumoured and announced products look fantastic; but the presentation is getting a little fury around the edges. From an external design perspective, Ive’s big test will be the iPhone 6; his first solo design (and the iWatch?). If the “leaked” images are to be believed, I’m not overly impressed with the design. The back looks ugly.