Apple reveals most employees are white men, says diversity needs to be improved

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    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
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    There is no 'well' when it comes to diversity. Either Apple hires the best possible people it can for the jobs, or it doesn't. Diversity is simply a right-on term to appeal to the liberals of today, like you.


    Unless Apple is an incredibly simplistic organisation (hint: it isn't) then its people strategy which will much broader that simply "hire the best people".  That would be a shitty strategy.  How do you attract the best people?  How do you incentivise the best people?  How do you encourage the widest possible spectrum of people to compete to be the best?

     

    Diversity is important in all of these.

  • Reply 482 of 757
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    And you're against universal standards, why?

     

    Replacing a universal standard with a universal standard isn’t exactly productive.


    It is about making things universally acceptable, not for the sake of a standard.

     

    Same thing with Greenwich Mean Time, which is now being changed to Universal Coordinated Time. There are more countries on that longitude than just England, so why name it for a city in England? 

     

    Since the Obamas are Christian, there is a good chance that they say grace before a family meal. When they entertain foreign dignitaries with a State Dinner at the White House, I would be surprised if they say grace. It is the same thing with BCE/CE. It just makes it universally acceptable and should not offend anyone.


     

    Any system will offend some people. BC and AD is universally acceptable. Any other system would be utterly pointless and simply be a pathetic sop to the liberal mind-police.

  • Reply 483 of 757
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    And you're against universal standards, why?

     

    Replacing a universal standard with a universal standard isn’t exactly productive.


    It is about making things universally acceptable, not for the sake of a standard.

     

    Same thing with Greenwich Mean Time, which is now being changed to Universal Coordinated Time. There are more countries on that longitude than just England, so why name it for a city in England? 

     

    Since the Obamas are Christian, there is a good chance that they say grace before a family meal. When they entertain foreign dignitaries with a State Dinner at the White House, I would be surprised if they say grace. It is the same thing with BCE/CE. It just makes it universally acceptable and should not offend anyone.


     

    So much idiocy in one post-well done.

  • Reply 484 of 757
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
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    As it should. Western classical music is superior to all other music, which is why so many other cultures with a rich heritage of native music have adopted Western classical and popular music, but not the other way round. When we adopt other cultures' music, we always incorporate it into a Western structure, because of its innate superiority.


    What the hell?

     

    Other cultures incorporate Western music because Western music is superior.

    Western music incorporates music from other cultures because Western music is superior.

     

    You realise what a pile of self-contradictory, transparently supremacist horse shit you're talking?

  • Reply 485 of 757
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    As it should. Western classical music is superior to all other music, which is why so many other cultures with a rich heritage of native music have adopted Western classical and popular music, but not the other way round. When we adopt other cultures' music, we always incorporate it into a Western structure, because of its innate superiority.

    That's very shortsighted. There are many factors as to how music evolves and a good portion of that is because the dominate culture (don't read that as superior) has a lot more influence, especially when war, disease, slavery, and other factors eradicate a culture.
  • Reply 486 of 757
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
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    Any system will offend some people. BC and AD is universally acceptable. Any other system would be utterly pointless and simply be a pathetic sop to the liberal mind-police.


    Funny how one person can declare something to be universally acceptable and for it to mean.... well nothing actually.

     

    No, it isn't universally acceptable.  That's why it hasn't been universally accepted.  The flaws in your proclamations are so glaringly obvious it's a wonder you can dress yourself in the morning.

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    As it should. Western classical music is superior to all other music, which is why so many other cultures with a rich heritage of native music have adopted Western classical and popular music, but not the other way round. When we adopt other cultures' music, we always incorporate it into a Western structure, because of its innate superiority.




    That's very shortsighted. There are many factors as to how music evolves and a good portion of that is because the dominate culture (don't read that as superior) has a lot more influence, especially when war, disease, slavery, and other factors eradicate a culture.

     

    Not shortsighted, just observant. As music has spread faster round the earth, Western music has embedded itself more deeply than ever. There is no chance that any other music system will arise, because of the fundamental truth of music itself. It's not just a question of a culture being dominant; I'm talking about the building blocks of music, the atomic layer, if you like.

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    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Any system will offend some people. BC and AD is universally acceptable. Any other system would be utterly pointless and simply be a pathetic sop to the liberal mind-police.


    If you want to use BC and AD, you are free to do so, as are we to use BCE and CE. Everyone who uses the latter, knows the meaning of both notations. Those who use BC and AD and don't know what BCE means, are just ignorant. Using BCE/CE is far from being pointless, as it is often found in academic works and BC and AD are far from being universally acceptable. If it was, then this debate, which started in the fourteenth century, would not have continued all these years.

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    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Not shortsighted, just observant. As music has spread faster round the earth, Western music has embedded itself more deeply than ever. There is no chance that any other music system will arise, because of the fundamental truth of music itself. It's not just a question of a culture being dominant; I'm talking about the building blocks of music, the atomic layer, if you like.

    No.
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    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
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    Not shortsighted, just observant. As music has spread faster round the earth, Western music has embedded itself more deeply than ever. There is no chance that any other music system will arise, because of the fundamental truth of music itself. It's not just a question of a culture being dominant; I'm talking about the building blocks of music, the atomic layer, if you like.


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    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    I'm talking about the building blocks of music...


    You mean the rhythm and measure? Seems like that would include music from just about every culture in the entire history of mankind. 

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    I'm talking about the building blocks of music...


    You mean the rhythm and measure? Seems like that would include music from just about every culture in the entire history of mankind. 


     

    Rhythm? Harmonic rhythm, yes; the natural harmonic series is the main aspect, though, and its development in Western classical music.

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    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,599member
    That would be incorrect; it's the celebration of the birth of Christ.

    It's supposed to be about that. But I have a small number of friends who want everyone to celebrate it, Christian or not. One guy in a club I'm in went around one holiday season complaining that it's not the holiday season, it was the Christmas season. We tried to explain that there are a number of major religious holidays during that season, but his head was up where it shouldn't be.

    The point is that it's pronounced by pretty much everyone as chrismiss, not Christ's Mass. How many people say that they're putting up the Christ's Mass tree? Yes, it's subtle, but it's there.
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    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Rhythm? Harmonic rhythm, yes; the natural harmonic series is the main aspect, though, and its development in Western classical music.


    I'd say the harmonious vocals of many ancient cultures predates classical music by a few millennia. Personally, I really don't care much for classical music, but perhaps that is because in addition to being forced to memorize the bible I was also forced to listen to classical music. One of my favorite types of music is obscure cultural styles from tribal origins. If you are interested, I can recommend a music company called Putumayo. I have several of their titles including "Coffee Lands" which I like a lot. You can find them on iTunes.

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    That would be incorrect; it's the celebration of the birth of Christ.




    It's supposed to be about that. But I have a small number of friends who want everyone to celebrate it, Christian or not. One guy in a club I'm in went around one holiday season complaining that it's not the holiday season, it was the Christmas season. We tried to explain that there are a number of major religious holidays during that season, but his head was up where it shouldn't be.



    The point is that it's pronounced by pretty much everyone as chrismiss, not Christ's Mass. How many people say that they're putting up the Christ's Mass tree? Yes, it's subtle, but it's there.

     

    You're not being very clear. You say that a small number of your friends want everyone to go to church on Christmas Day? Fair dos to evangelise; I'm sure they don't actually force you to go!

     

    Holiday season? That's just an inane, meaningless politically-correct word that companies use so as not to 'offend' other religions. Note that it always seems to apply to Christians, not other religions. It's part of the panoply of the white man's guilt complex.

     

    Your comment about pronunciation is silly.

  • Reply 496 of 757
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,599member
    Rhythm? Harmonic rhythm, yes; the natural harmonic series is the main aspect, though, and its development in Western classical music.

    Actually it comes from Pythagoras. It isn't about rhythm. It's all about harmony. Rhythm came later.
  • Reply 497 of 757
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,599member
    You're not being very clear. You say that a small number of your friends want everyone to go to church on Christmas Day? Fair dos to evangelise; I'm sure they don't actually force you to go!

    Holiday season? That's just an inane, meaningless politically-correct word that companies use so as not to 'offend' other religions. Note that it always seems to apply to Christians, not other religions. It's part of the panoply of the white man's guilt complex.

    Your comment about pronunciation is silly.

    No, my statement isn't silly, it's your entire argument since you started in this thread that is. You don't understand much. It's a simplistic attitude you have that's the problem.
  • Reply 498 of 757
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member

    Give over.  Calling the winter holiday a holiday season has nothing to do with white man's guilt.  It has everything to do with Christianity not having a monopoly on deciding the given names for holiday periods that are observed across religious and secular groups.

     

    Politically correct is not meaningless, it's polite.  And not offending people needlessly is actually a pretty good thing to aspire to.  It's probably in your book somewhere, messed in amongst the blood and carnage.

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    Rhythm? Harmonic rhythm, yes; the natural harmonic series is the main aspect, though, and its development in Western classical music.


    I'd say the harmonious vocals of many ancient cultures predates classical music by a few millennia. Personally, I really don't care much for classical music, but perhaps that is because in addition to being forced to memorize the bible I was also forced to listen to classical music. One of my favorite types of music is obscure cultural styles from tribal origins. If you are interested, I can recommend a music company called Putumayo. I have several of their titles including "Coffee Lands" which I like a lot. You can find them on iTunes.


     

    Western classical music is based on the natural harmonic series, which exists in nature, so is likely to predate most ancient cultures.

     

    It's a shame you grew to hate that which you were forced to do, but I understand how that can happen. I didn't much care for a lot of it when I was a child. I love it more than ever, now, though. I love a lot of other stuff, too-especially 80s pop which was, of course, the golden age of pop music.

     

    Did you actually memorise the whole Bible? Which version? An impressive feat, regardless! I should put my mind to it.

     

    I'd be interested in your recommendations. Although I sound derogatory about non-Western music, there is lots to love about the rest; my point is that there is a hierarchy of quality. I know that's a forever-disputable blanket statement, but I say it as someone for whom music is my oxygen.

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    [QUOTE name="Benjamin Frost" url="/t/181788/apple-reveals-most-employees-are-white-men-says-diversity-needs-to-be-improved/520#post_2579403"]
    Rhythm? Harmonic rhythm, yes; the natural harmonic series is the main aspect, though, and its development in Western classical music.[/QUOTE]


    Actually it comes from Pythagoras. It isn't about rhythm. It's all about harmony. Rhythm came later.[/QUOTE]

    What comes from Pythagoras?
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