There is no 'well' when it comes to diversity. Either Apple hires the best possible people it can for the jobs, or it doesn't. Diversity is simply a right-on term to appeal to the liberals of today, like you.
Funny how one person can declare something to be universally acceptable and for it to mean.... well nothing actually.
No, it isn't universally acceptable. That's why it hasn't been universally accepted. The flaws in your proclamations are so glaringly obvious it's a wonder you can dress yourself in the morning.
I'm beginning to think that he's speaking tongue in cheek.
Perhaps he discovered the mathematical definition of harmony, but it hardy predates rhythm. I can imagine African tribes with their dance, drums and melodic vocals existing eons before the Greek philosophers.
I'm talking about musical theory, and understood and used. Obviously, before it was understood, and used in a repeatable way, rhythm was used. But it's interesting to note that rhythm is used by primitive societies, without harmony. Most primitive cultures have few instruments other than some form of percussion. Occasionally there is something resembling a flute, but with no real mathematical relationships between the notes, just what seems right when the maker build one. Stringed instruments are rare, and usually not very harmonic.
I'm talking about musical theory, and understood and used. Obviously, before it was understood, and used in a repeatable way, rhythm was used. But it's interesting to note that rhythm is used by primitive societies, without harmony. Most primitive cultures have few instruments other than some form of percussion. Occasionally there is something resembling a flute, but with no real mathematical relationships between the notes, just what seems right when the maker build one. Stringed instruments are rare, and usually not very harmonic.
The human voice is a very adept musical instrument.
The human voice is a very adept musical instrument.
Of course. But if you listen to some music from other parts of the world, your ears would burn.
But again, I'm talking about someone who was the first (as far as we know, but the evidence from around the world seems to back it up) to understand the relationships mathematically. That's exceedingly important. In other areas, including China, Japan, India and other societies, this understanding came much later, and never fully evolved.
The biggest difference between Western music and the music elsewhere is that elsewhere we have variation but no evolution. So when listening to a piece from India, as an example, Western ears find it difficult, even boring. It's why much music from the Indian subcontinent and Asia have remained the same for centuries. There was no way out of traditional forms.
But really, much of this came later, after the fall of Constantinople. When the scholars fled the fall, and came to Europe it opened up a vast treasure of information and philosophy. That's what got Europe, likely one of the most backwards of the great civilizations, to become the most adventurous, and enlightened. It's what made the Renaissance possible. That changed music to the point where it could evolve. Before that. Nada!
The harmonic scale, which is called the Pythagorean Scale or the musica mundana, which is C, D, E-flat, E, G, A, B-flat, B, D. That's Aristotle's interpretation of his scale for The Music of The Spheres, a Pythagorean concept.
I'm sure as someone involved with Christianity, you're familiar with that, of course.
But the one most people are familiar of his is the other Pythagorean Scale, the musica instrumentalis. This is the scale used for many centuries. He discovered the arithmetic relationships between harmonic intervals. The major and chromatic scales. The major, what we think of as the white keys, and the sharps and flats between them, the black keys, all together are the chromatic scale.
Interesting. Not sure the reason for your snark.
So Pythagorus was the guy who discovered notes' origins. Clever guy. But how deep did he go? Did he know of the natural harmonic series?
The modern scale is a mathematician's dream. The connections that link everything together are astounding, and probably why it came to be the dominant scale.
But again, I'm talking about someone who was the first (as far as we know, but the evidence from around the world seems to back it up) to understand the relationships mathematically. That's exceedingly important. In other areas, including China, Japan, India and other societies, this understanding came much later, and never fully evolved.
The biggest difference between Western music and the music elsewhere is that elsewhere we have variation but no evolution. So when listening to a piece from India, as an example, Western ears find it difficult, even boring. It's why much music from the Indian subcontinent and Asia have remained the same for centuries. There was no way out of traditional forms.
But really, much of this came later, after the fall of Constantinople. When the scholars fled the fall, and came to Europe it opened up a vast treasure of information and philosophy. That's what got Europe, likely one of the most backwards of the great civilizations, to become the most adventurous, and enlightened. It's what made the Renaissance possible. That changed music to the point where it could evolve. Before that. Nada!
Sounds reasonable from a technical perspective. I like my music raw and improvised.
Regarding India, how does the scale of a sitar relate to a diatonic or chromatic scale? Don't they have like 10 notes instead of 7?
Perhaps that explains your lack of mental capacity. If I was your brother, I probably would have repeatedly smashed the side of your head with a cricket bat years ago. Is that what happened?
In the interests of not offending people who aren't called Crowley, I shall now call you Forum Member.
That makes no sense. It's like if you called everyone Benjamin Frosties when you're referring to everyone in the thread. We use Holiday Season because it's not a specific religion being referenced, but Christmas tree and menorah because they are specific to Christmas and Hanukkah, respectively. THERE IS NO WAR ON CHRISTMAS!
Perhaps that explains your lack of mental capacity. If I was your brother, I probably would have repeatedly smashed the side of your head with a cricket bat years ago. Is that what happened?
Excuse me? Men taking an equal share in the parenting OF THEIR OWN CHILDREN makes them "wusses"? When did you become a troll? I can't believe you wrote that. LOL
To what end? Once you start walking backwards and giving in to offended people they will continue to push you back. What are you going to do when they say "your complexion offends us?"
"Sorry, but there's nothing I can do about that, and I think that's an unreasonable and intolerant thing to say. My tolerance of you does not extend to your intolerance of others."
Well, after 20 pages of discussion, I can only say one thing: this the most [B]diverse[/B] discussion string I've ever encountered on AI, or anywhere else! Thank you all for your thoughts!
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You really don't get it.
I'm beginning to think that he's speaking tongue in cheek.
I'm beginning to think that he's speaking tongue in cheek.
Not too long ago Ben posted that he loves to troll here. I suspect you're all getting your chain yanked big time.
I'm talking about musical theory, and understood and used. Obviously, before it was understood, and used in a repeatable way, rhythm was used. But it's interesting to note that rhythm is used by primitive societies, without harmony. Most primitive cultures have few instruments other than some form of percussion. Occasionally there is something resembling a flute, but with no real mathematical relationships between the notes, just what seems right when the maker build one. Stringed instruments are rare, and usually not very harmonic.
The human voice is a very adept musical instrument.
Of course. But if you listen to some music from other parts of the world, your ears would burn.
But again, I'm talking about someone who was the first (as far as we know, but the evidence from around the world seems to back it up) to understand the relationships mathematically. That's exceedingly important. In other areas, including China, Japan, India and other societies, this understanding came much later, and never fully evolved.
The biggest difference between Western music and the music elsewhere is that elsewhere we have variation but no evolution. So when listening to a piece from India, as an example, Western ears find it difficult, even boring. It's why much music from the Indian subcontinent and Asia have remained the same for centuries. There was no way out of traditional forms.
But really, much of this came later, after the fall of Constantinople. When the scholars fled the fall, and came to Europe it opened up a vast treasure of information and philosophy. That's what got Europe, likely one of the most backwards of the great civilizations, to become the most adventurous, and enlightened. It's what made the Renaissance possible. That changed music to the point where it could evolve. Before that. Nada!
Interesting. Not sure the reason for your snark.
So Pythagorus was the guy who discovered notes' origins. Clever guy. But how deep did he go? Did he know of the natural harmonic series?
The modern scale is a mathematician's dream. The connections that link everything together are astounding, and probably why it came to be the dominant scale.
But again, I'm talking about someone who was the first (as far as we know, but the evidence from around the world seems to back it up) to understand the relationships mathematically. That's exceedingly important. In other areas, including China, Japan, India and other societies, this understanding came much later, and never fully evolved.
The biggest difference between Western music and the music elsewhere is that elsewhere we have variation but no evolution. So when listening to a piece from India, as an example, Western ears find it difficult, even boring. It's why much music from the Indian subcontinent and Asia have remained the same for centuries. There was no way out of traditional forms.
But really, much of this came later, after the fall of Constantinople. When the scholars fled the fall, and came to Europe it opened up a vast treasure of information and philosophy. That's what got Europe, likely one of the most backwards of the great civilizations, to become the most adventurous, and enlightened. It's what made the Renaissance possible. That changed music to the point where it could evolve. Before that. Nada!
Sounds reasonable from a technical perspective. I like my music raw and improvised.
Regarding India, how does the scale of a sitar relate to a diatonic or chromatic scale? Don't they have like 10 notes instead of 7?
That makes no sense. It's like if you called everyone Benjamin Frosties when you're referring to everyone in the thread. We use Holiday Season because it's not a specific religion being referenced, but Christmas tree and menorah because they are specific to Christmas and Hanukkah, respectively. THERE IS NO WAR ON CHRISTMAS!
In terms of seasonal representations thereof, there certainly seems to be opposition.
In terms of seasonal representations thereof, there certainly seems to be opposition.
Sucks there will be no more white christmases and they will be shutting down the north pole due to global warming?
@mstone, that's a personal attack.
Ok, if I get another elder with seniority who confers, I'll apploogize. But I think he deserves admonishment after all the BS he has posted.
If you want to encourage wusses, sure.
Excuse me? Men taking an equal share in the parenting OF THEIR OWN CHILDREN makes them "wusses"? When did you become a troll? I can't believe you wrote that. LOL
To what end? Once you start walking backwards and giving in to offended people they will continue to push you back. What are you going to do when they say "your complexion offends us?"
"Sorry, but there's nothing I can do about that, and I think that's an unreasonable and intolerant thing to say. My tolerance of you does not extend to your intolerance of others."
Is that why people are promoting Holiday Trees and banning (non religious) Christmas songs at schools?
Merry Christmas!
So as soon as someone says, "Hey, other children have other religious holidays," it's OK to jump to, "You're attacking my religion!"?