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    The term "holiday season" is very much an American imposition on the rest of the world.




    1) It started in the US but that's because we have so many religions thriving here. despite some Americans feeling this country would have only one.



    2) Winter Holiday is fine for me but it does exclude the Southern hemisphere.

     

    Yeah, Christmas is fine for most people, but you go celebrating your 'Winter Holiday,' whatever that means.

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  • Reply 582 of 757
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Yeah, Christmas is fine for most people, but you go celebrating your 'Winter Holiday,' whatever that means.

    1) No, most people aren't Christians.

    2) Why would you think anyone celebrates Winter Holiday or the Holiday Season? Stop being ridiculous; you know exactly why a religious-agnostic term is used, you just don't like it because you don't want to acknowledge any other religion but your own.
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  • Reply 583 of 757
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    Yeah, Christmas is fine for most people, but you go celebrating your 'Winter Holiday,' whatever that means.




    1) No, most people aren't Christians.



    2) Why would you think anyone celebrates Winter Holiday or the Holiday Season? Stop being ridiculous; you know exactly why a religious-agnostic term is used, you just don't like it because you don't want to acknowledge any other religion but your own.

     

    1 Yeah, I didn't say most people are Christians; try reading carefully.

     

    2 No-one celebrates a Winter Holiday or a Holiday Season; they either celebrate Christmas, some other religious festival if they're not Christian or nothing.

     

    If you're feeling so butt-hurt about Christians celebrating Christmas year in year out, just ignore it; you have free will, in case you've forgotten.

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  • Reply 584 of 757
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    1 Yeah, I didn't say most people are Christians; try reading carefully.

    2 No-one celebrates a Winter Holiday or a Holiday Season; they either celebrate Christmas, some other religious festival if they're not Christian or nothing.

    If you're feeling so butt-hurt about Christians celebrating Christmas year in year out, just ignore it; you have free will, in case you've forgotten.

    1) You wrote, "Christmas is fine for most people."

    2) And you tell them to have a happy holiday season, not to celebrate a holiday season, which says "whatever religion you have (or don't have) I hope it's a good one because I'm not such an asshole to say that you should follow my religious beliefs."

    3) You are the only one sounding butt-hurt around here. Need I remind you that you have free will so you can choose not hate on anyone else's religious freedoms.
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  • Reply 585 of 757
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    1) It started in the US but that's because we have so many religions thriving here. despite some Americans feeling this country would have only one.


    Christmas is celebrated by many non-christians around the world. It is mostly referred to as x-mas in non-christian countries. In Japan, Korea, Vietnam, and even some arab countries you will see shopping malls with traditional decorations and people buying and wrapping gifts. Most people enjoy a holiday. Even in regions that used to be predominately christian like Europe and the US it is mostly a secular holiday. Christmas was not celebrated by the christians in the bible and some religious congregations that are very strict about Judaeo/Christian sacred days are quite anti-christmas, but most people are not very religious these days so it is just a fun holiday for the most part.

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  • Reply 586 of 757
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    mstone wrote: »
    Christmas is celebrated by many non-christians around the world.

    So? Does that means it's celebrated by over 50% of the world's population? Does that mean all religious holidays need to be referred to as Christmas for the general term? I don't know of a single Zoroastrianism that celebrates Christmas but they are still suppose to say Merry Christmas to everyone because people with insecurities about their own religion beliefs might call them terrorists if they say Happy Holidays?
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  • Reply 587 of 757
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,928member
    solipsismx wrote: »


    2) Why would you think anyone celebrates Winter Holiday or the Holiday Season? Stop being ridiculous; you know exactly why a religious-agnostic term is used, you just don't like it because you don't want to acknowledge any other religion but your own.

    How does "Happy Holidays" acknowledge other religions? It doesn't. It groups them into some PC crap phrase. Merry Christmas or Happy Hannakuh.
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  • Reply 588 of 757
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    jungmark wrote: »
    How does "Happy Holidays" acknowledge other religions? It doesn't. It groups them into some PC crap phrase. Merry Christmas or Happy Hannakuh.

    It acknowledges them by not automatically excluding them.
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  • Reply 589 of 757
    Originally Posted by Steve Blackwell View Post

    I’m all for diversity but it needs to start with opportunities given fairly at the university level...

     

    So you’ll have to get rid of affirmative action.

     

    ...with encouragement given to woman and minorities to enter into areas like engineering, sciences, etc.


     

    Already done.

     

    After that, companies need to hire the best person for the job listed regardless of colour, origin, etc...


     

    Again, already done.

     

    I think you have to look at, say, the top 1000 candidates coming out of MIT, Stanford, Caltech in a particular sector to understand the mix of gender, race, etc, and see if your company is naturally close to that level of diversity.


     

    Yes! That’s not a bad idea.

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  • Reply 590 of 757
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    ...but they are still suppose to say Merry Christmas to everyone because people with insecurities about their own religion beliefs might...


    Season's Greetings has become the common way to wish someone a good holiday just like "have a nice weekend" it is generic. You wouldn't say "enjoy sunday mass this weekend" would you?

     

    Businesses send out greeting cards during the holiday season to their clients and vendors, most with seasonal non-religious messages in order to be polite, not knowing whether they are devoutly religious or not. People who think Christmas is a religious holiday have nothing to back that up in the bible. Believers of other religions can possibly be offended by it though. In my opinion it is better to not offend people, especially your customers.

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  • Reply 591 of 757
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    It's funny that the religion that persecuted the most people feels the most persecuted.
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  • Reply 592 of 757
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    mstone wrote: »
    Season's Greetings has become the common way to wish someone a good holiday just like "have a nice weekend" it is generic.

    That works, too. Happy Holidays and Seasons Greetings are as interchangeable as hello and hi.
    You wouldn't say "enjoy sunday mass this weekend" would you?

    Which is my point.
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  • Reply 593 of 757
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,928member
    I celebrate Christmas and not a generic holiday. I'm offended by "Happy Holidays".
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  • Reply 594 of 757
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    jungmark wrote: »
    I celebrate Christmas and not a generic holiday. I'm offended by "Happy Holidays".

    And a generic greeting to people whose religion you don't know doesn't exclude celebrating Christmas. Only those that are insecure about their Christian religion would get offended by Happy Holidays or Seasons Greetings.
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  • Reply 595 of 757
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    I celebrate Christmas and not a generic holiday. I'm offended by "Happy Holidays".

    Why and why? - Honest questions.

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  • Reply 596 of 757
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    mstone wrote: »
    Why and why? - Honest questions.

    Because only Christians should be allowed to have a holiday that is happy because all other religions are practiced by sub-human scum¡
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  • Reply 597 of 757
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    jungmark wrote: »
    I celebrate Christmas and not a generic holiday. I'm offended by "Happy Holidays".

    For me "Happy Holidays" is code for Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa, and Happy New Year. That way you don't mistakenly alienate anyone.
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    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    For me "Happy Holidays" is code for Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa, and Happy New Year. That way you don't mistakenly alienate anyone.


    That is one way to look at it, however I think at least in english speaking countries it means enjoy the extra days off from work or school in the next few weeks. One person mentioned that christmas is a national holiday in the US. If it was a completely religious holiday then it would be wrong to make people work on christmas day if they were christians, but christian police officers, doctors, military, tow truck drivers, 7-eleven cashiers, oh wait...

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  • Reply 599 of 757
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    mstone wrote: »
    That is one way to look at it, however I think at least in english speaking countries it means enjoy the extra days off from work or school in the next few weeks.

    That makes sense with the number of aethists and agnostics.
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  • Reply 600 of 757
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,928member
    mstone wrote: »
    Why and why? - Honest questions.

    Why? I answered that. I don't celebrate a generic holiday.
    solipsismx wrote: »
    Because only Christians should be allowed to have a holiday that is happy because all other religions are practiced by sub-human scum¡

    What kind of bullshit are you spewing? If you're Jewish, I'll tell you to have a happy Hannakuh. If you're athiest, I'll tell you to have a good day. If you're an asshole, I'd tell you to **** off.
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