Well there is the obvious thing. The iPhone has outsold the Galaxy with certain consistency every year both of them have been out. So while Samsung did offer the first phablet and bigger phones, more people decided no to engage with them. I still don't like the bigger phones. I'm getting the 6, but to be honest, I would be happy if the iPhone was still a mere 3.5 inches.
I do have to hand it to Samsung for one thing - It is amazing how they can come up with those multiple small ads knocking iPhone 6 and 6p less than 24 hours. It's like while watching the announcement they have group of agencies churning out the ads.
On a different note, looks like Amazon phone is already on fire sale at 99 cents with two year contract - WOW!
I do have to hand it to Samsung for one thing - It is amazing how they can come up with those multiple small ads knocking iPhone 6 and 6p less than 24 hours. It's like while watching the announcement they have group of agencies churning out the ads.
On a different note, looks like Amazon phone is already on fire sale at 99 cents with two year contract - WOW!
Oh we know they're fully capable of spitting out crap at a high rate. Samsung watch had...how many refreshes in a YEAR? 6? Yeah they're good at this stuff.
Question 1: How could Apple release a phone of ANY size without Samsung claiming that they just copied what they did?
Question 2: When will Samsung be copying Apple by releasing a large phone so popular that it takes out, not only their own ordering systems, but that of carriers as well?
This is not a black and white issue. There was a time when the single most important attribute of a mobile phone was its telephony features and how well it worked as a phone. Remember when handset makers and carriers would actually brag about the voice and call quality of their handsets? What about call coverage? Can you hear me now? Is this even mentioned today? The market for jumbo phones is largely being driven by customers who have relegated phone functionality to secondary and tertiary consideration. These biggy phones are today's pocket computer but with telephony just in case it's needed. The iPhone 6 Plus is truly the iPad Air Micro - with a phone line.
The iPhone with its iTunes and App Store tie-ins opened up the market for highly compelling and user friendly phones that did so much more than make phone calls. This was not really new because older cell phones had apps (that mostly sucked), text messaging, and even internet access (that mostly sucked). The iPhone succeeded because it was far better at making the non-telephone features of the mobile phone so much better than anything that came before it while still being focused on being a decent phone. At the other end of the spectrum, the introduction of the iPad provided exclusive focus on the non phone qualities of the iPhone and relieved the one major limitation of the iPhone as an app platform - screen size.
The vendors who first released giganto-phones obviously saw that there was a gap between the product end-points that Apple had created, i.e., the iPhone and iPad, that could potentially be exploited. That's when you started seeing devices that copied the iPad getting smaller and devices that copied the iPhone getting larger. There's nothing innovative at all about filling in the blanks that Apple left open and is now filling from both sides. Apple defined the product spectrum very early on by not only establishing the archetype of the devices and form factors buy also by specifying the end-points, iPhone and iPad.
Sam-hooey not only filled in the blanks that Apple created, they also slavishly copied the devices that defined the end-points as well with their own iPad and iPhone clones. With so few resources engaged in innovation Sam-I-Am was able to throw gap fillers into the open spaces that Apple created, even if the market wasn't demanding such products at the time.
The ancient Windows CE Handheld PC (HPC) and Palm Pilot PDAs had a docking stylus so I don't understand why using one with a phone or tablet is interesting at all. So what?
Question 2: When will Samsung be copying Apple by releasing a large phone so popular that it takes out, not only their own ordering systems, but that of carriers as well?
1) Lol
2) They truly live in a different galaxy. No way one can compare their 2011 phone with the 6+. "It's all in the software dummie".
If you really don't get this, do keep your day job, as long as it's far away from sales.
This is marketing not sales. Plenty of surveys show that negative marketing doesn't appeal to the unconverted. Samsung fans will love these. Other people might go "Apple has a new large screened phone?"
Question 1: How could Apple release a phone of ANY size without Samsung claiming that they just copied what they did?
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Question 2: When will Samsung be copying Apple by releasing a large phone so popular that it takes out, not only their own ordering systems, but that of carriers as well?
And that image is out of date by a couple years. No Note 3, no Note 4, or S5, not to mention whatever else they released I can't recall at the moment.
I do have to hand it to Samsung for one thing - It is amazing how they can come up with those multiple small ads knocking iPhone 6 and 6p less than 24 hours. It's like while watching the announcement they have group of agencies churning out the ads.
On a different note, looks like Amazon phone is already on fire sale at 99 cents with two year contract - WOW!
I suspect they scripted 80% of it based on rumors alone, then added bits and post processing once Apple revealed the iPhone.
I feel Apple next year will release a 4" phone in the design of the iPhone 6. I think it's not possible at the moment to have a slimmer 4" phone without reducing battery size therefore reducing battery life.
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Originally Posted by Sporlo
While I hate the attitude and tactics of this ad, it's actually pretty successful at attacking Apple I think. Suddenly Newton is right. It's one thing to add sizes for the sake of options, it's another to remove the smaller size and jump on the larger-is-better bandwagon wholesale.
I'll go on record as saying that when the 5s gets deprecated to free, that I expect Apple will release a new 4" phone, making a line of three new models they'll stick with for a few years - while being able to also offer those three phones the next year at lower price points, so covering the major high end segments of the market - and - having more offerings at two lower ends (last year's models and the year before models) to boot.
At least 4" still feels to me like a very viable market niche - given the huge success Apple's had with it - up to this very minute.
And while it's odd, since 4" has been their "standard," they could be called the iPhone 7+, iPhone 7, and iPhone 7 Mini... ...or....???
(Or - back to the lower end - will they down-migrate all sizes for two years the way they have the single size...??)
I'm annoyed that Apple ditched the 4" form factor. I didn't need my iPhone to be thinner, but I did want it to keep the same screen size for true, no gimmick, one handed operation.
By chasing the Asian market everyone who stuck with them had just been shown the middle finger.
Everyone not only cellphone makers uses something someone else came up with and incorporates it with their own twist on it. Samsung just copied Apple with their Aluminum frame around the new devices when they used to use only use plastic.To be honest with you Samsung is starting to make me lose respect for them with all this childish bashing! I had great hopes of purchasing the Galaxy Note 4 but they can't even get it out on the market let alone even give a release date? So i think Samsung should worry more about getting their product out on the shelves instead of bashing Apple about copying products that don't even exist yet in stores.
I'm beginning to wonder if Apple management isn't getting a bit sloppy. Not in the products but in marketing them. The fiasco with the live stream could almost be excused; at least Apple presentations don't use silly skits that end up offending half the population of the US. But Cook & Co. must have realized that Samsung would come out with ads like these, and yet the few Apple ads that have come out so far are really weak. Justin Timberlake and Jimmy Fallon going, "Dum,dum,dum…"? Really? It kills me to see Samsung slamming Apple for "copying" while in the same ad using Apple's technique of showing how their phone can be used. I want to see smart ads really highlighting the other features of the iPhone 6 - and lots of them - so the whole size business fades into the background.
Samsung may have lost a few battles over patents, but it sure looks like they won the war. If Apple doesn't step it up, they'll lose the marketing war too.
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Are you making a joke?
I do have to hand it to Samsung for one thing - It is amazing how they can come up with those multiple small ads knocking iPhone 6 and 6p less than 24 hours. It's like while watching the announcement they have group of agencies churning out the ads.
On a different note, looks like Amazon phone is already on fire sale at 99 cents with two year contract - WOW!
which you were not copied to the iphone first? should thank Apple for what you have accomplished ... To copy.
Oh we know they're fully capable of spitting out crap at a high rate. Samsung watch had...how many refreshes in a YEAR? 6? Yeah they're good at this stuff.
Question 1: How could Apple release a phone of ANY size without Samsung claiming that they just copied what they did?
Question 2: When will Samsung be copying Apple by releasing a large phone so popular that it takes out, not only their own ordering systems, but that of carriers as well?
This is not a black and white issue. There was a time when the single most important attribute of a mobile phone was its telephony features and how well it worked as a phone. Remember when handset makers and carriers would actually brag about the voice and call quality of their handsets? What about call coverage? Can you hear me now? Is this even mentioned today? The market for jumbo phones is largely being driven by customers who have relegated phone functionality to secondary and tertiary consideration. These biggy phones are today's pocket computer but with telephony just in case it's needed. The iPhone 6 Plus is truly the iPad Air Micro - with a phone line.
The iPhone with its iTunes and App Store tie-ins opened up the market for highly compelling and user friendly phones that did so much more than make phone calls. This was not really new because older cell phones had apps (that mostly sucked), text messaging, and even internet access (that mostly sucked). The iPhone succeeded because it was far better at making the non-telephone features of the mobile phone so much better than anything that came before it while still being focused on being a decent phone. At the other end of the spectrum, the introduction of the iPad provided exclusive focus on the non phone qualities of the iPhone and relieved the one major limitation of the iPhone as an app platform - screen size.
The vendors who first released giganto-phones obviously saw that there was a gap between the product end-points that Apple had created, i.e., the iPhone and iPad, that could potentially be exploited. That's when you started seeing devices that copied the iPad getting smaller and devices that copied the iPhone getting larger. There's nothing innovative at all about filling in the blanks that Apple left open and is now filling from both sides. Apple defined the product spectrum very early on by not only establishing the archetype of the devices and form factors buy also by specifying the end-points, iPhone and iPad.
Sam-hooey not only filled in the blanks that Apple created, they also slavishly copied the devices that defined the end-points as well with their own iPad and iPhone clones. With so few resources engaged in innovation Sam-I-Am was able to throw gap fillers into the open spaces that Apple created, even if the market wasn't demanding such products at the time.
The ancient Windows CE Handheld PC (HPC) and Palm Pilot PDAs had a docking stylus so I don't understand why using one with a phone or tablet is interesting at all. So what?
1) Lol
2) They truly live in a different galaxy. No way one can compare their 2011 phone with the 6+. "It's all in the software dummie".
This is marketing not sales. Plenty of surveys show that negative marketing doesn't appeal to the unconverted. Samsung fans will love these. Other people might go "Apple has a new large screened phone?"
And that image is out of date by a couple years. No Note 3, no Note 4, or S5, not to mention whatever else they released I can't recall at the moment.
I do have to hand it to Samsung for one thing - It is amazing how they can come up with those multiple small ads knocking iPhone 6 and 6p less than 24 hours. It's like while watching the announcement they have group of agencies churning out the ads.
On a different note, looks like Amazon phone is already on fire sale at 99 cents with two year contract - WOW!
I suspect they scripted 80% of it based on rumors alone, then added bits and post processing once Apple revealed the iPhone.
Rumours are a powerful tool. The stock seems to run on it.
I feel Apple next year will release a 4" phone in the design of the iPhone 6. I think it's not possible at the moment to have a slimmer 4" phone without reducing battery size therefore reducing battery life.
While I hate the attitude and tactics of this ad, it's actually pretty successful at attacking Apple I think. Suddenly Newton is right. It's one thing to add sizes for the sake of options, it's another to remove the smaller size and jump on the larger-is-better bandwagon wholesale.
I'll go on record as saying that when the 5s gets deprecated to free, that I expect Apple will release a new 4" phone, making a line of three new models they'll stick with for a few years - while being able to also offer those three phones the next year at lower price points, so covering the major high end segments of the market - and - having more offerings at two lower ends (last year's models and the year before models) to boot.
At least 4" still feels to me like a very viable market niche - given the huge success Apple's had with it - up to this very minute.
And while it's odd, since 4" has been their "standard," they could be called the iPhone 7+, iPhone 7, and iPhone 7 Mini... ...or....???
(Or - back to the lower end - will they down-migrate all sizes for two years the way they have the single size...??)
They are shameless... always copying someone's idea.
They haven't ditched the 4" form factor at all...
The Next big thing from Samsung has chamfered flat edges and metallic back, like iPhone 4...
Yes totally agree.
Everyone not only cellphone makers uses something someone else came up with and incorporates it with their own twist on it. Samsung just copied Apple with their Aluminum frame around the new devices when they used to use only use plastic.To be honest with you Samsung is starting to make me lose respect for them with all this childish bashing! I had great hopes of purchasing the Galaxy Note 4 but they can't even get it out on the market let alone even give a release date? So i think Samsung should worry more about getting their product out on the shelves instead of bashing Apple about copying products that don't even exist yet in stores.
I'm beginning to wonder if Apple management isn't getting a bit sloppy. Not in the products but in marketing them. The fiasco with the live stream could almost be excused; at least Apple presentations don't use silly skits that end up offending half the population of the US. But Cook & Co. must have realized that Samsung would come out with ads like these, and yet the few Apple ads that have come out so far are really weak. Justin Timberlake and Jimmy Fallon going, "Dum,dum,dum…"? Really? It kills me to see Samsung slamming Apple for "copying" while in the same ad using Apple's technique of showing how their phone can be used. I want to see smart ads really highlighting the other features of the iPhone 6 - and lots of them - so the whole size business fades into the background.
Samsung may have lost a few battles over patents, but it sure looks like they won the war. If Apple doesn't step it up, they'll lose the marketing war too.
FYI the 5s and 5c are still available.
They haven't ditched the 4" form factor at all...
No shit, the old handsets can still be bought? Wow, you're right, they are really supporting the 4" form factor....... /s