I wonder why they couldn't just rebuild 8.0 named as 8.0.2 and send it out so the affected phone would see it as an upgrade. At least that would get everyone back to square one. I'm sure there must be some technical reason preventing it but from my limited knowledge of their collaborative software engineering environment it seems logical to me.
Not as easy as it sounds. Plus, it would be a desperate attempt to undo the damage instead of fixing it properly. I would expect a proper fix sometime today.
i can hear the late Steve Jobs yelling from his grave, "what does an update supposed to do?... (explanation) so why the f .*.c.k does it not do that...?"
BTW, ARE WE NOT ADULT ENOUGH THAT SWEARING IS ACCEPTABLE?... I had to edit the f*** word so it would not be censored... If you need to censor because of your "sensitive" audience keep the first and last letter!
If you jump on the bandwagon straight away and install an untested iOS then you are mad.
In the history of every piece of software (especially iOS) , the first release is dodgy and the few following updates fix stuff and break stuff in equal measures.
If you jump on the bandwagon straight away and install an untested iOS then you are mad.
In the history of every piece of software (especially iOS) , the first release is dodgy and the few following updates fix stuff and break stuff in equal measures.
Moral of the story:
Always give it a few months.
That's how I live. But it's not an excuse. If you release an os it needs testing.
If you jump on the bandwagon straight away and install an untested iOS then you are mad.
In the history of every piece of software (especially iOS) , the first release is dodgy and the few following updates fix stuff and break stuff in equal measures.
Moral of the story:
Always give it a few months.
Huh? How is Apple going to know its a problem if no one uses the software. It should've gone through the normal Apple developer process for iOS and OS X releases. They didn't do that. Instead they unleashed software on people Apple didn't even test with developers who want to test with it. I mean sheesh. The blame lies squarely on Apple.... well today CrApple. They didn't address the widespread bend debacle and they didn't even offer up an Apple sponsored fix for iOS 8.0.1. I don't want to hear that Apple is sorry. I want to hear about solutions and fixes.
It's time for a new CEO - Mr Cook is an unmitigated disaster for Apple; just wait and see:
1 - Uncalled for distribution of dividends: Apple no longer a growth stock;
2 - Acquisition of Beats - cheapened brand, crappy headphones, ridiculous price for just another streaming service;
3 - Lack of proper torsion testing on the new iPhones, aka "bendgate";
4 - Bigger iPhones with protruding cameras and "smart" watches just because analysts tell Apple to launch them - we no longer innovate, we just follow:
5 - sloppy software releases just like 8.0.1, shutdown of high-end software suites; long delays in launching innovative Macs.
I'm sure Apple is innovating a little here and there but mostly they are buying innovative companies and incorporating them into the Apple. This even happened a bit under Steve Jobs but less so. They are also copying features from other manufactures and software sources.
Phones bending in one respect is stupid. Why would anybody expect a device to not bend when under a lot of stress? On the other hand such a device shouldn't be bending when subjected to expected normal conditions. If the phone always returned to its original shape then no problem.
Having millions of new phones crash and become inoperable due to an update is a big deal. Ten million were sold in the first three days. Imagine how busy all of the cell phone stores are right now with people wanting their phones fixed.
Maybe Apple should become a company that doesn't innovate (as they are now). They should become the company that polishes the products and ideas of others. Apple can do many things better than others, once they recognize a good idea that needs polishing.
I recall so many posts about how Microsux was the company that just copied others. They were mostly true. It is also now true about Apple. Apple is still miles above Microsux when it comes to interfacing with a device. They can't let their ability to make great interfaces with devices become the only thing they are capable of doing.
I want Apple to be the innovative game changing company they were for a while. Making copy cat devices and only improving upon the designs of others isn't enough. They can probably get by doing that forever. If they do they won't be innovators. They'll just be a great marketing company that happens to deal in electronics.
Huh? How is Apple going to know its a problem if no one uses the software. It should've gone through the normal Apple developer process for iOS and OS X releases. They didn't do that. Instead they unleashed software on people Apple didn't even test with developers who want to test with it. I mean sheesh. The blame lies squarely on Apple.... well today CrApple. They didn't address the widespread bend debacle and they didn't even offer up an Apple sponsored fix for iOS 8.0.1. I don't want to hear that Apple is sorry. I want to hear about solutions and fixes.
The bend "debacle" is not widespread. The only thing widespread is the click bait reporting on it. :rolleyes:
As far as the software update...that was a huge unforced error and Apple deserves all the crap they're getting for it.
The bend "debacle" is not widespread. The only thing widespread is the click bait reporting on it.
As far as the software update...that was a huge unforced error and Apple deserves all the crap they're getting for it.
Now people are going to be asking if Apple passed the BEND test. My iPhone 6+ remains unbothered by people bending their phones in half on purpose. The reason people upgrade so quickly is because we had confidence in Apple having the update stable upon release to the public.
That's how I live. But it's not an excuse. If you release an os it needs testing.
Actually why wasn't 8.1 released to devs ?
The real problem is that this release supposedly made its way into the carriers' hands. Yet, the cellular connection is the primary failure. Something might have happened in the pre-release exchanges between the carriers' techs and Apple.
But, there's no excuse whatsoever for breaking Touch ID. That one's entirely on Apple.
Fascinating seeing the number of newbies attempting to stir the pot.
Just doing a quick scan, I'd say the newbie haters outnumber the newbie "real posters" by about 5-to-1.
But hey, web traffic is web traffic. The more posts, the better for Apple Insider.
Keep it up!
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Originally Posted by quicksilverhuh
They just reported it on Bloomberg, which implies that other business networks are reporting it also. There will be a lot of Apple bashing I am sure from this. Apple knows they are set to a higher standard, and they should have really tested this release more extensively.
Not going to be a good day for programmers at Apple, I suspect very long hours. I guess they could back out the changes to quickly get those back up
I'm not sure who deserves more bashing: Apple for releasing this problematic update or the people who are still denying/dismissing the issue. Public perception of Apple is not based solely on the company but also the attitudes of their user community, just as I'm sure Apple fans here will say about Android/Windows/Linux users.
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Originally Posted by johnnybleiss
Updated to IOS8.0.1 immediately when it came out and have not experienced any issues what so ever? Is this story validated?
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Originally Posted by johnnybleiss
Have not myself had any issues and have not heard of any friends or colleagues who experience issues. Sounds like media spin...
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Originally Posted by Plagen
Another non-issue is being trolled around. Remember antennagate? Now - bending, iOS upgrade, click, click...
BTW, ARE WE NOT ADULT ENOUGH THAT SWEARING IS ACCEPTABLE?
It's all about context. Some posters have "earned" acceptance of swearing because they bring appreciably more than just empty shock value to the table.
I'm not sure who deserves more bashing: Apple for releasing this problematic update or the people who are still denying/dismissing the issue. Public perception of Apple is not based solely on the company but also the attitudes of their user community, just as I'm sure Apple fans here will say about Android/Windows/Linux users.
Trolling much? Why don't you discuss the bending "issue".
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I wonder why they couldn't just rebuild 8.0 named as 8.0.2 and send it out so the affected phone would see it as an upgrade. At least that would get everyone back to square one. I'm sure there must be some technical reason preventing it but from my limited knowledge of their collaborative software engineering environment it seems logical to me.
Not as easy as it sounds. Plus, it would be a desperate attempt to undo the damage instead of fixing it properly. I would expect a proper fix sometime today.
I wish Steve were here- he'd fix it.
If you jump on the bandwagon straight away and install an untested iOS then you are mad.
In the history of every piece of software (especially iOS) , the first release is dodgy and the few following updates fix stuff and break stuff in equal measures.
Moral of the story:
Always give it a few months.
What did I see about the regularity of failed software releases from Apple in recent years?
Yes, anyone could have them...but with a closed vertical system,
you should be able to control your own updates much closer to "perfectly", just imho.
What about her?
She is the one in charge of making sure stuff like this doesn't happen.
That's how I live. But it's not an excuse. If you release an os it needs testing.
Actually why wasn't 8.1 released to devs ?
She's Mac OS X program manager.
You can still update rather than restore, just use the 8.0 firmware
6+ http://appldnld.apple.com/iOS8/031-05555.20140917.YWW0v/iPhone7,1_8.0_12A366_Restore.ipsw
6 http://appldnld.apple.com/iOS8/031-05647.20140917.b0n9s/iPhone7,2_8.0_12A365_Restore.ipsw
It's way faster . . .
Thanks for your help. I was able to update back to 8.0 on iPhone 6. It's nice to have an "undo" option.
BTW, for those using iTunes in Windows, use shift+left click the "update" to get access the downloaded file.
The Verge has posted a workaround/dowgrade instructional.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/24/6839347/fix-for-bad-ios-8-0-1-update
Having a twelve inch penis and following the instructions in the above link fully addressed this issue for me.
However, you will need to run through the process of setting up TouchID again and you will be on 8.0.0.
Thanks, SpamSandwich!
Having a twelve inch penis and following the instructions in the above link fully addressed this issue for me.
However, you will need to run through the process of setting up TouchID again and you will be on 8.0.0.
Thanks, SpamSandwich!
If you jump on the bandwagon straight away and install an untested iOS then you are mad.
In the history of every piece of software (especially iOS) , the first release is dodgy and the few following updates fix stuff and break stuff in equal measures.
Moral of the story:
Always give it a few months.
Huh? How is Apple going to know its a problem if no one uses the software. It should've gone through the normal Apple developer process for iOS and OS X releases. They didn't do that. Instead they unleashed software on people Apple didn't even test with developers who want to test with it. I mean sheesh. The blame lies squarely on Apple.... well today CrApple. They didn't address the widespread bend debacle and they didn't even offer up an Apple sponsored fix for iOS 8.0.1. I don't want to hear that Apple is sorry. I want to hear about solutions and fixes.
It's time for a new CEO - Mr Cook is an unmitigated disaster for Apple; just wait and see:
1 - Uncalled for distribution of dividends: Apple no longer a growth stock;
2 - Acquisition of Beats - cheapened brand, crappy headphones, ridiculous price for just another streaming service;
3 - Lack of proper torsion testing on the new iPhones, aka "bendgate";
4 - Bigger iPhones with protruding cameras and "smart" watches just because analysts tell Apple to launch them - we no longer innovate, we just follow:
5 - sloppy software releases just like 8.0.1, shutdown of high-end software suites; long delays in launching innovative Macs.
I'm sure Apple is innovating a little here and there but mostly they are buying innovative companies and incorporating them into the Apple. This even happened a bit under Steve Jobs but less so. They are also copying features from other manufactures and software sources.
Phones bending in one respect is stupid. Why would anybody expect a device to not bend when under a lot of stress? On the other hand such a device shouldn't be bending when subjected to expected normal conditions. If the phone always returned to its original shape then no problem.
Having millions of new phones crash and become inoperable due to an update is a big deal. Ten million were sold in the first three days. Imagine how busy all of the cell phone stores are right now with people wanting their phones fixed.
Maybe Apple should become a company that doesn't innovate (as they are now). They should become the company that polishes the products and ideas of others. Apple can do many things better than others, once they recognize a good idea that needs polishing.
I recall so many posts about how Microsux was the company that just copied others. They were mostly true. It is also now true about Apple. Apple is still miles above Microsux when it comes to interfacing with a device. They can't let their ability to make great interfaces with devices become the only thing they are capable of doing.
I want Apple to be the innovative game changing company they were for a while. Making copy cat devices and only improving upon the designs of others isn't enough. They can probably get by doing that forever. If they do they won't be innovators. They'll just be a great marketing company that happens to deal in electronics.
The bend "debacle" is not widespread. The only thing widespread is the click bait reporting on it. :rolleyes:
As far as the software update...that was a huge unforced error and Apple deserves all the crap they're getting for it.
The bend "debacle" is not widespread. The only thing widespread is the click bait reporting on it.
As far as the software update...that was a huge unforced error and Apple deserves all the crap they're getting for it.
Now people are going to be asking if Apple passed the BEND test. My iPhone 6+ remains unbothered by people bending their phones in half on purpose. The reason people upgrade so quickly is because we had confidence in Apple having the update stable upon release to the public.
That's how I live. But it's not an excuse. If you release an os it needs testing.
Actually why wasn't 8.1 released to devs ?
The real problem is that this release supposedly made its way into the carriers' hands. Yet, the cellular connection is the primary failure. Something might have happened in the pre-release exchanges between the carriers' techs and Apple.
But, there's no excuse whatsoever for breaking Touch ID. That one's entirely on Apple.
Fascinating seeing the number of newbies attempting to stir the pot.
Just doing a quick scan, I'd say the newbie haters outnumber the newbie "real posters" by about 5-to-1.
But hey, web traffic is web traffic. The more posts, the better for Apple Insider.
Keep it up!
They just reported it on Bloomberg, which implies that other business networks are reporting it also. There will be a lot of Apple bashing I am sure from this. Apple knows they are set to a higher standard, and they should have really tested this release more extensively.
Not going to be a good day for programmers at Apple, I suspect very long hours. I guess they could back out the changes to quickly get those back up
I'm not sure who deserves more bashing: Apple for releasing this problematic update or the people who are still denying/dismissing the issue. Public perception of Apple is not based solely on the company but also the attitudes of their user community, just as I'm sure Apple fans here will say about Android/Windows/Linux users.
Updated to IOS8.0.1 immediately when it came out and have not experienced any issues what so ever? Is this story validated?
Have not myself had any issues and have not heard of any friends or colleagues who experience issues. Sounds like media spin...
Another non-issue is being trolled around. Remember antennagate? Now - bending, iOS upgrade, click, click...
BTW, ARE WE NOT ADULT ENOUGH THAT SWEARING IS ACCEPTABLE?
It's all about context. Some posters have "earned" acceptance of swearing because they bring appreciably more than just empty shock value to the table.
I'm not sure who deserves more bashing: Apple for releasing this problematic update or the people who are still denying/dismissing the issue. Public perception of Apple is not based solely on the company but also the attitudes of their user community, just as I'm sure Apple fans here will say about Android/Windows/Linux users.
Trolling much? Why don't you discuss the bending "issue".
She's Mac OS X program manager.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-exec-charged-with-catching-bugs-2014-9