Samsung Galaxy Note 4 delivers poor graphics performance vs. Apple iPhone 6 Plus

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  • Reply 121 of 246
    correctionscorrections Posts: 1,188member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Relic View Post



    My point has nothing to do with Android, sure I own a Shield or I should say my son now owns one as he is the gamer in the family, my comments are about the current crop of ARM chips and how well games perform on them.


    As you could have gathered from the article, the discussion is not about which GPU is the best. It's which maker is currently pairing the best components with software to deliver a functional product. The point got summed up early on: Samsung is making poor engineering choices resulting in buzzword compliant, spec-heavy devices that perform poorly but cost the same. 


    If the Samsung Exynos chip found in the Note 4 was also used in the iPhone 6 there wouldn't be a single game it couldn't handle and handle extremely well.


    This is absolutely nonsense. Apple would lose all sorts of optimizations if it went with a stock ARM design built (with a history of flaws) by Samsung. Look at the numbers: it's only capable of getting close in benchmarks with a higher clock and multiple cores, and it throttles power early to avoid overheating. But yeah, if you could put that in an iPhone you could run a benchmark. Or maybe even most games! What does that even mean? Nothing.


     ... for playing games I would defiantly prefer the Shield, not just for the built in HDMI with 4K out, but as I already have an Nvidia K1 development board, just preordered a Lenovo 4K monitor that also has a built in K1 CPU running Android, my son has a Shield and I will defiantly buy a K1 Denver development board plus a Nexus 9, that's five nodes with 960 CUDA cores that I can utilize the power for rendering, encoding and half a dozen other GPU computational projects I'm currently working on.


    Yeah because if you have a $4000 4K display, you want to play games off of a portable Android device that can play a bunch of IAP titles in really high resolution (but not top titles that make any special use of the fast GPU). What? Oh and yeah, running an HDMI cable between your shield and your 4K HDTV is also brilliant. Just excellent.



    Everything you say is more absurd than the last, and fully contradicts it as well. 

    Your comments are like Samsung product introductions. 

  • Reply 122 of 246
    MacProMacPro Posts: 17,562member
    cpsro wrote: »
    It's not a myth we're holding onto. It's a tiny lens.
    But go ahead and retrofit a Galaxy S5 with that Canon lens and knock yerself out.

    Sorry I was referring the the meme used when discussing DSLRs not phones. That said if you need to crop more data from a picture in a small device then more high quality data is always a good thing. Digital Zoom with video is one area for example, a 1080p video can be at 3x magnification without pixel doubling on a sensor that's in the 18-20MP range and is therefore as good as an optical zoom assuming the sensor is up to it.

    BTW .. I'd only thing I'd fit to a Galaxy S5 with a weight, before throwing it overboard. :D
  • Reply 123 of 246
    ... Like GarageBand and iMovie, which are free for ios and unmatchable at any price for android.

    Spot on. Add to it iWork, iPhoto, etc. The non-Apple world has simply no clue. I've always felt that Apple should create Windows and Android versions of these, to sell at a premium price.
  • Reply 124 of 246
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    cnocbui wrote: »

    Nokia 1020.

    I love the pictures my Nokia 1020 take;

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  • Reply 125 of 246
    The Apple Watch had better beat the Gear in the all-important Call of Duty benchmark or I'm not buying it.

    Apparently the Samsung watch runs Windows 95, which I think is really the most important benchmark to consider when evaluating wearable computing devices.
  • Reply 126 of 246
    relic wrote: »

    I love the pictures my Nokia 1020 take;

    What's a 'Nokia'? Is it a European camera?
  • Reply 127 of 246
    The Apple Watch had better beat the Gear in the all-important Call of Duty benchmark or I'm not buying it.

    Apparently the Samsung watch runs Windows 95, which I think is really the most important benchmark to consider when evaluating wearable computing devices.

    I am assuming the "/s" was implied?:lol:
  • Reply 128 of 246
    I am assuming the "/s" was implied?:lol:

    Most definitely. ;)

    At least about it being important.
  • Reply 129 of 246
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 19,262member
    Most definitely. ;)

    At least about it being important.
    Apparently the Samsung watch runs Windows 95, which I think is really the most important benchmark to consider when evaluating wearable computing devices.
    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/10/make-your-smartwatch-even-less-useful-by-installing-windows-95/
    For those that missed the reference.
  • Reply 130 of 246
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    Apparently the Samsung watch runs Windows 95, which I think is really the most important benchmark to consider when evaluating wearable computing devices.



    Someday, when computing is ubiquitous, perhaps we'll transcend the reductionist focus on processor speed benchmarks as a linear measure of "better" and focus on the qualities of the entire product such as features and experience. Apple achieved this with the iPod Nano (who even cares what chipset it uses?), and I hope the Apple Watch will sit on the same side of sanity. But as long as tech websites continue to treat smart watches as nothing but another touchscreen device strapped to your wrist, the focus on benchmarks will continue.

  • Reply 131 of 246
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    Nokia 1020.




    Exactly. Looks like the 1020 scored a 74 on the DxoMark site... and how physically large is that 40MP sensor? Why not get 5MP pix out of all those pixels? http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Nokia-Lumia-1020-overview-Has-the-best-got-better

     

    Relic- lovely shot. If you shot it in RAW and have all 40MP I'd enjoy seeing a 1:1 crop of the detail.

     

    All I'm saying is more does not ALWAYS equal better. Better equals better, and if more is better, then it's better. There's dynamic range, contrast, focus speed, white balance, color space and accuracy, noise, the glass resolution and speed, CA / Purple fringing, Dark corners, flare, optical stabilization tech... No doubt the next 41MP Nokia camera will be even more better-er. I think they'd be better served going around 12MP with huge sensels and good glass.

  • Reply 132 of 246
    tmaytmay Posts: 3,125member
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    Nokia 1020.


    If you have time to setup the shot, and time between shots, yes the 1020 has better images. For most users, it has too many compromises to be anywhere close to a mainstream product. Hence why it is a niche product.

  • Reply 133 of 246
    [SIZE=3]not impressed. Also looking at recent benchmarks from [URL=http://anandtech.com/show/8554/the-iphone-6-review/5]Anandtech[/URL] and [URL=http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/qualcomm-snapdragon-805-performance,3887-4.html]Tom's Hardware[/URL] the Snapdragon 805 does not do most CPU tasks as well as the A7 let alone the A8.

    Now there might be improvement with some optimization but currently I would Apple is way ahead.




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  • Reply 134 of 246
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
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    Exactly. Looks like the 1020 scored a 74 on the DxoMark site... and how physically large is that 40MP sensor? Why not get 5MP pix out of all those pixels? http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Nokia-Lumia-1020-overview-Has-the-best-got-better

     

    Relic- lovely shot. If you shot it in RAW and have all 40MP I'd enjoy seeing a 1:1 crop of the detail.

     

    All I'm saying is more does not ALWAYS equal better. Better equals better, and if more is better, then it's better. There's dynamic range, contrast, focus speed, white balance, color space and accuracy, noise, the glass resolution and speed, CA / Purple fringing, Dark corners, flare, optical stabilization tech... No doubt the next 41MP Nokia camera will be even more better-er. I think they'd be better served going around 12MP with huge sensels and good glass.


     

     

    Hmmm, let me see, I'll need to look for some large ones but here is a small serious of flowers that are pretty. https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=9117381FE9E7ABEB!30446&authkey=!AFDbY433NyV17kY&ithint=folder,

     

    If you view the page with desktop mode you will get the shot info.

  • Reply 135 of 246
    Apple already jumped to PowerVR Series 6XT, with Series 7 Imminent and promises of increased Cadence Apple will leap forward. Samsung could have licenced Rogue but instead went for cheap Mali graphics which are vastly inferior.
  • Reply 136 of 246
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,989member
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    Well this article was a waste of energy since a majority of major markets get the snapdragon 805 chipset. This articles benchmarks are based on the Exnyos chipset. As you can see the galaxy S5 with snapdragon 801 (slower chipset than note 4) has numbers MUCH closer to the iPhone 6. I expect the note 4 with snapdragon 805 to be very similar to the iPhone 6 :-/ nice try though.

     

    The premise of the article stands, Samsung are hopeless at making their own chip designs and are reliant on off the shelf chips from others.

     

    I do wish people would stop cherrypicking to suit their agenda.

  • Reply 137 of 246
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,751member
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    Originally Posted by Relic View Post



    Oh for goodness sakes, I have no love for Samsung but there isn't a game on the market right now that the Note 4 couldn't play, these graphics chips in the current line of mobiles are going to waste. What exactly does this article prove, it's a business phone for goodness sakes. Once the new line of 64bit chips come and if one happens to be faster then the A8, there is a good chance that a few will be, the same comments I just made about the Note 4 will be said here about the iPhone. This is just a silly pissing contest at this point, the current range of chips are fast enough for pretty much anything that you could possibly through at them.

     

    That article didn't even mention throttling, which occurs MORE in the Samsung Note 4, so its performance really do suck in some games (unless your sayng that a FPS at 10 frame per second or less! is AOK).

  • Reply 138 of 246
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,989member
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    Originally Posted by Tim Richardson View Post



    If you look carefully, you can see that the table has results of the last iteration of the Note 3 running the Snapdragon CPU. It does quite well against the just-released iPhone 6 Plus, seemingly even beating it in a couple of the tests. It also outperforms the Note 4 shown here. As if Samsung is going to release a Note 4 which is slower than its predecessor.

    Nearly everyone reading this is going to see/buy the Note 4 using the Snapdragon, not the benchmarked octa-core Samsung CPU. Considering the new Snapdragon CPU is both faster and more powerful than then Note 3, I think the Qualcomm Note 4 benchmarks will be much closer to the iPhone than shown in this article. Heaven forbid, the Samsung may beat it. Obviously the author gets a lot of pleasure from the superior performance of the Apple CPU, but I think the 'opponent' is a straw-man: Samsung will not take this octa-core CPU to major markets.

    So I wouldn't be counting chickens just yet.

     

    This relates to Samsung being not very good at making their own chips in what way?

     

    You make a good point that without off the shelf components from others, Samsung is not competitive.

  • Reply 139 of 246
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,989member
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    Originally Posted by Tim Richardson View Post

     

    Yes, the table is clear, I missed it. Although my suspicions were correct. It is also clear from the Note 3 comparison that the Snapdragon CPU, which is what Samsung sells nearly everywhere, is dramatically faster than the octacore experiment. Now that I look more clearly, it seems that the Note 4 Octacore is hardly any improvement from the Note 3 octacore; there is but a tiny bump in clock speed.

     

    However, the mass-market Note 4 has a next-generation snapdragon 805 clocked at 2.7GHz, which should be a significant boost on the Note 3 Snapdragon. Considering that the Note 3 is fairly close to the new iPhone, and actually superior in a couple of these benchmarks, testing based on the mass-market Note 4 should show a narrow gap. Maybe the real Note 4 will even be a match. Or better.

     

    Both of these expensive, flagship devices will perform at such a level that I doubt anyone will complain. People will probably make buying decisions where the differences are larger: OLED vs LCD screen, stylus, OS, apps, battery capacity, thinness, ruggedness.


     

    Yep, Samsung is bad at designing and making their own chips, just as the article states.

     

    As I read through the thread I wonder how many more Samsung apologists will back themselves into this same corner.

     

    Without Qualcomm Samsung are hopeless.

  • Reply 140 of 246
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,989member
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    Originally Posted by Relic View Post





    Hey Tallest, Infinity Blade is only for iOS, I'm sure if it was available for Android though, the Note 4 would have no problem running it. I think I would probably use my Nvidia Shield for a game like that, so I could hook it up to a 4K TV or monitor. Do you have any other games I could test, thanx.



    Try the Zen Garden demo using the Unreal 4 engine in 64 bit.

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